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Derek Smith said:
andymadmak said:
911hope said:
34000 dead out of a population of about 2.1 million.
How is this 0.6%?
Interesting that you make no distinction between Hamas terrorists and Palestinian civilians. Why is that?How is this 0.6%?
Oh, and let's not forget the possible thousands buried under rubble, millions of tons of the stuff and the mass graves that probably have still to be uncovered.
Plus, 500 Palestinians killed by Israel since Oct7th in the West Bank.
Cut the figures anyway you lot want, it's obviously many,many thousands with a massive percentage of those being children, woman and civilians.
And of course what about all those 75,000 reported injured, I await for somebody to dispute that figure too.
To even discuss or debate if it's 'only' 20k instead of 30 or 35 thousand killings really reflects poorly on those who want to talk the figures down. Actually, it's disgusting and callous.
But then again, I personally wouldn't expect anything else from the pro Israeli's and Zionists on here!
Remember too, the killings continue be it by bombing, tank strikes or shootings so the figures will only increase. Not forgetting the UN reported ongoing starvation in Gaza.
Chris Hedges is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist who was a foreign correspondent for fifteen years for The New York Times, where he served as the Middle East Bureau Chief and Balkan Bureau Chief for the paper.
https://youtu.be/0mho30OqN2w?si=8ijx0nyfhadWiWLh
Plus, 500 Palestinians killed by Israel since Oct7th in the West Bank.
Cut the figures anyway you lot want, it's obviously many,many thousands with a massive percentage of those being children, woman and civilians.
And of course what about all those 75,000 reported injured, I await for somebody to dispute that figure too.
To even discuss or debate if it's 'only' 20k instead of 30 or 35 thousand killings really reflects poorly on those who want to talk the figures down. Actually, it's disgusting and callous.
But then again, I personally wouldn't expect anything else from the pro Israeli's and Zionists on here!
Remember too, the killings continue be it by bombing, tank strikes or shootings so the figures will only increase. Not forgetting the UN reported ongoing starvation in Gaza.
Chris Hedges is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist who was a foreign correspondent for fifteen years for The New York Times, where he served as the Middle East Bureau Chief and Balkan Bureau Chief for the paper.
https://youtu.be/0mho30OqN2w?si=8ijx0nyfhadWiWLh
Edited by JJJ. on Wednesday 8th May 21:52
This is what brainwashing looks like
https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/973
In the latest poll by the Palestinian Centre for Policy and Survey Research in Mar 2024, 71% of Gazans polled supported the attack on 7th October, down 1% since Dec 23. 71% of the West Bank also supported it happening. Down 11% since Dec 23.
Only 9% of Gazans currently blame their suffering on Hamas with 66% blaming Israel.
5% think Hamas commit war crimes whilst 94% believe Israel commit war crimes.
56% of Gazans believe Hamas will win the war.
59% of Gazans would prefer Hamas to remain in control of the Gaza Strip. 33% prefer the Palestinian Authority.
https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/973
In the latest poll by the Palestinian Centre for Policy and Survey Research in Mar 2024, 71% of Gazans polled supported the attack on 7th October, down 1% since Dec 23. 71% of the West Bank also supported it happening. Down 11% since Dec 23.
Only 9% of Gazans currently blame their suffering on Hamas with 66% blaming Israel.
5% think Hamas commit war crimes whilst 94% believe Israel commit war crimes.
56% of Gazans believe Hamas will win the war.
59% of Gazans would prefer Hamas to remain in control of the Gaza Strip. 33% prefer the Palestinian Authority.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vKhsS9muUc (TBN is a Christian channel before some of the folks on here start foaming at the mouth!)
So much for Egypt shutting down the tunnels across the border. Of course JJJ will come up with some theory linking Netanyahu to this!
andymadmak said:
If you cannot be bothered to see Palestinians as anything other than Hamas terrorists that's up to you, but I think you'll find you're in a minority of one.
Clearly the vast majority of Palestinians are NOT terrorists. Even the IDF has estimated more than 30k. This probably cannot be substantiated.Nevertheless, the IDF has come up a claim of 10k Hamas fighters killed, which obviously can't be substantiated. If we assume me that this isn't grossly inflated, the 10k is about 30% of the 34k people they have killed.
So they are happy to kill 7 innocent people for every 3 claimed terrorist claims. This bother me and it should bother all reasonable people.
Now considering the claim that this 30% are actually Hamas fighters, some worrying doubts arise.
30% is also about the proportion of the Gazan population which are adult male.
So for their 10k claim to be true, all the killed adult males must be Hamas fighters. This would require somewhat amazing targeting of such fighters and execution of attacks.
Only a fool would believe this is possible, but even if such a fool did exist, they may ask why they also killed 24k innocent people. Given their claimed precision, they must have been deliberate.
Obviously, a more likely explanation is that the 10k figure is grossly over inflated.
That in turn makes the Hamas/innocent ratio even more appalling and clearly demonstrates that the killing is indiscriminate. As does the fact that the demographics of the IDF victims closely matches that of the Gazan population.
It is difficult to understand why people don't look into the statistics of what is going on.
Some basic reasoning is a useful tool for understanding. More people should try it.
andymadmak said:
911hope said:
34000 dead out of a population of about 2.1 million.
How is this 0.6%?
Interesting that you make no distinction between Hamas terrorists and Palestinian civilians. Why is that?How is this 0.6%?
Why do you think that it does?
Do you know what percentage 34k is of 2.1 million?
fido said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vKhsS9muUc (TBN is a Christian channel before some of the folks on here start foaming at the mouth!)
So much for Egypt shutting down the tunnels across the border. Of course JJJ will come up with some theory linking Netanyahu to this!
I link Netanyahu and his government to everything that's wrong with Israeli not just now or seven months ago but for years, after all he holds the record for being the longest serving Israeli PM and was a facilitator of Hamas for years for his own benefit. No theory there. Tunnels you say...wtf. Sounds like you want to sidetrack and throw everybody off from the Israeli murderous policy towards Palestinians. And not content with what they've already done, Rafah is the next on the agenda.So much for Egypt shutting down the tunnels across the border. Of course JJJ will come up with some theory linking Netanyahu to this!
And you want to discuss tunnels at this stage? Get real!
Edited by JJJ. on Thursday 9th May 00:20
911hope said:
Nevertheless, the IDF has come up a claim of 10k Hamas fighters killed, which obviously can't be substantiated.
That is because HAMAS don't wear uniforms, which is an actual war crime, not just a "it hurts me in the feels" war crime.911hope said:
So for their 10k claim to be true, all the killed adult males must be Hamas fighters. This would require somewhat amazing targeting of such fighters and execution of attacks.
Except that HAMAS are known to use child soldiers, which is also a war crime. So some percentage of the 10k HAMAS killed will not be adult males.Oh, taking civilian hostages is also a war crime.
JJJ. said:
Why are you so obsessed with making your "some of my best friends are black" argument?It's right up there with "I'm not a racist, but..."
911hope said:
andymadmak said:
If you cannot be bothered to see Palestinians as anything other than Hamas terrorists that's up to you, but I think you'll find you're in a minority of one.
Clearly the vast majority of Palestinians are NOT terrorists. Even the IDF has estimated more than 30k. This probably cannot be substantiated.Nevertheless, the IDF has come up a claim of 10k Hamas fighters killed, which obviously can't be substantiated. If we assume me that this isn't grossly inflated, the 10k is about 30% of the 34k people they have killed.
So they are happy to kill 7 innocent people for every 3 claimed terrorist claims. This bother me and it should bother all reasonable people.
Now considering the claim that this 30% are actually Hamas fighters, some worrying doubts arise.
30% is also about the proportion of the Gazan population which are adult male.
So for their 10k claim to be true, all the killed adult males must be Hamas fighters. This would require somewhat amazing targeting of such fighters and execution of attacks.
Only a fool would believe this is possible, but even if such a fool did exist, they may ask why they also killed 24k innocent people. Given their claimed precision, they must have been deliberate.
Obviously, a more likely explanation is that the 10k figure is grossly over inflated.
That in turn makes the Hamas/innocent ratio even more appalling and clearly demonstrates that the killing is indiscriminate. As does the fact that the demographics of the IDF victims closely matches that of the Gazan population.
It is difficult to understand why people don't look into the statistics of what is going on.
Some basic reasoning is a useful tool for understanding. More people should try it.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysi...
We are all Brexiteers now said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/07/re-tea...
He must be a regular contributor here.
His face looks AI generated He must be a regular contributor here.
Solocle said:
JJJ. said:
Why are you so obsessed with making your "some of my best friends are black" argument?It's right up there with "I'm not a racist, but..."
You really do go low with trying to play the man rather than the subject matter, you should be embarrassed.
Go on disagree or take issue with the Jewish lady, leave a comment in YT vid!
Edited by JJJ. on Thursday 9th May 12:21
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