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We are all Brexiteers now

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162 months

Wednesday 8th May
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/07/re-tea...
He must be a regular contributor here.

Derek Smith

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249 months

Wednesday 8th May
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andymadmak said:
911hope said:
34000 dead out of a population of about 2.1 million.

How is this 0.6%?
Interesting that you make no distinction between Hamas terrorists and Palestinian civilians. Why is that?
The IDF don't seem to bother, so why should we?


andymadmak

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271 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Derek Smith said:
andymadmak said:
911hope said:
34000 dead out of a population of about 2.1 million.

How is this 0.6%?
Interesting that you make no distinction between Hamas terrorists and Palestinian civilians. Why is that?
The IDF don't seem to bother, so why should we?
Clearly the IDF does make that distinction, otherwise Palestinian deaths would already be in the 100's of thousands by now. If you cannot be bothered to see Palestinians as anything other than Hamas terrorists that's up to you, but I think you'll find you're in a minority of one.

JJJ.

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JJJ.

1,377 posts

16 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Oh, and let's not forget the possible thousands buried under rubble, millions of tons of the stuff and the mass graves that probably have still to be uncovered.
Plus, 500 Palestinians killed by Israel since Oct7th in the West Bank.

Cut the figures anyway you lot want, it's obviously many,many thousands with a massive percentage of those being children, woman and civilians.
And of course what about all those 75,000 reported injured, I await for somebody to dispute that figure too.

To even discuss or debate if it's 'only' 20k instead of 30 or 35 thousand killings really reflects poorly on those who want to talk the figures down. Actually, it's disgusting and callous.
But then again, I personally wouldn't expect anything else from the pro Israeli's and Zionists on here!

Remember too, the killings continue be it by bombing, tank strikes or shootings so the figures will only increase. Not forgetting the UN reported ongoing starvation in Gaza.



Chris Hedges is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist who was a foreign correspondent for fifteen years for The New York Times, where he served as the Middle East Bureau Chief and Balkan Bureau Chief for the paper.
https://youtu.be/0mho30OqN2w?si=8ijx0nyfhadWiWLh





Edited by JJJ. on Wednesday 8th May 21:52

skyrover

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205 months

Wednesday 8th May
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This is what brainwashing looks like

https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/973

In the latest poll by the Palestinian Centre for Policy and Survey Research in Mar 2024, 71% of Gazans polled supported the attack on 7th October, down 1% since Dec 23. 71% of the West Bank also supported it happening. Down 11% since Dec 23.

Only 9% of Gazans currently blame their suffering on Hamas with 66% blaming Israel.

5% think Hamas commit war crimes whilst 94% believe Israel commit war crimes.

56% of Gazans believe Hamas will win the war.

59% of Gazans would prefer Hamas to remain in control of the Gaza Strip. 33% prefer the Palestinian Authority.

JJJ.

1,377 posts

16 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Sky News:
''U.S. pauses shipment of weapons to Israel''


Oliver Hardy

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75 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Puddenchucker said:
Oliver Hardy said:
When did Israel invade other countries?
Lebanon in 1978 & 1982, in response to attacks by the PLO.

Parts of Egypt (Sinai) & Syria (Golan Heights) in the 1967 6-day war.
In response to being attacked

fido

16,842 posts

256 months

Wednesday 8th May
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vKhsS9muUc (TBN is a Christian channel before some of the folks on here start foaming at the mouth!)

So much for Egypt shutting down the tunnels across the border. Of course JJJ will come up with some theory linking Netanyahu to this!

911hope

2,755 posts

27 months

Wednesday 8th May
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andymadmak said:
If you cannot be bothered to see Palestinians as anything other than Hamas terrorists that's up to you, but I think you'll find you're in a minority of one.
Clearly the vast majority of Palestinians are NOT terrorists. Even the IDF has estimated more than 30k. This probably cannot be substantiated.

Nevertheless, the IDF has come up a claim of 10k Hamas fighters killed, which obviously can't be substantiated. If we assume me that this isn't grossly inflated, the 10k is about 30% of the 34k people they have killed.

So they are happy to kill 7 innocent people for every 3 claimed terrorist claims. This bother me and it should bother all reasonable people.

Now considering the claim that this 30% are actually Hamas fighters, some worrying doubts arise.

30% is also about the proportion of the Gazan population which are adult male.

So for their 10k claim to be true, all the killed adult males must be Hamas fighters. This would require somewhat amazing targeting of such fighters and execution of attacks.

Only a fool would believe this is possible, but even if such a fool did exist, they may ask why they also killed 24k innocent people. Given their claimed precision, they must have been deliberate.

Obviously, a more likely explanation is that the 10k figure is grossly over inflated.

That in turn makes the Hamas/innocent ratio even more appalling and clearly demonstrates that the killing is indiscriminate. As does the fact that the demographics of the IDF victims closely matches that of the Gazan population.

It is difficult to understand why people don't look into the statistics of what is going on.

Some basic reasoning is a useful tool for understanding. More people should try it.

911hope

2,755 posts

27 months

Wednesday 8th May
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andymadmak said:
911hope said:
34000 dead out of a population of about 2.1 million.

How is this 0.6%?
Interesting that you make no distinction between Hamas terrorists and Palestinian civilians. Why is that?
The obvious answer is that it has no bearing on the basic maths question.

Why do you think that it does?

Do you know what percentage 34k is of 2.1 million?

JJJ.

1,377 posts

16 months

Thursday 9th May
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fido said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vKhsS9muUc (TBN is a Christian channel before some of the folks on here start foaming at the mouth!)

So much for Egypt shutting down the tunnels across the border. Of course JJJ will come up with some theory linking Netanyahu to this!
I link Netanyahu and his government to everything that's wrong with Israeli not just now or seven months ago but for years, after all he holds the record for being the longest serving Israeli PM and was a facilitator of Hamas for years for his own benefit. No theory there. Tunnels you say...wtf. Sounds like you want to sidetrack and throw everybody off from the Israeli murderous policy towards Palestinians. And not content with what they've already done, Rafah is the next on the agenda.
And you want to discuss tunnels at this stage? Get real!





Edited by JJJ. on Thursday 9th May 00:20

JJJ.

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16 months

Thursday 9th May
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'' I am the wrong kind of Jew...''

https://youtu.be/4mEuE-XiHj4?si=imQMB2ZARmDK7Ccx

mko9

2,414 posts

213 months

Thursday 9th May
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911hope said:
Nevertheless, the IDF has come up a claim of 10k Hamas fighters killed, which obviously can't be substantiated.
That is because HAMAS don't wear uniforms, which is an actual war crime, not just a "it hurts me in the feels" war crime.

911hope said:
So for their 10k claim to be true, all the killed adult males must be Hamas fighters. This would require somewhat amazing targeting of such fighters and execution of attacks.
Except that HAMAS are known to use child soldiers, which is also a war crime. So some percentage of the 10k HAMAS killed will not be adult males.

Oh, taking civilian hostages is also a war crime.


Solocle

3,355 posts

85 months

Thursday 9th May
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JJJ. said:
'' I am the wrong kind of Jew...''

https://youtu.be/4mEuE-XiHj4?si=imQMB2ZARmDK7Ccx
Why are you so obsessed with making your "some of my best friends are black" argument?

It's right up there with "I'm not a racist, but..."

fido

16,842 posts

256 months

Thursday 9th May
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JJJ. said:
And you want to discuss tunnels at this stage? Get real!
Well that is how they (Iran) deliver training and weapons into Gaza which is a fundamental part of this war.

Mrr T

12,342 posts

266 months

Thursday 9th May
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911hope said:
andymadmak said:
If you cannot be bothered to see Palestinians as anything other than Hamas terrorists that's up to you, but I think you'll find you're in a minority of one.
Clearly the vast majority of Palestinians are NOT terrorists. Even the IDF has estimated more than 30k. This probably cannot be substantiated.

Nevertheless, the IDF has come up a claim of 10k Hamas fighters killed, which obviously can't be substantiated. If we assume me that this isn't grossly inflated, the 10k is about 30% of the 34k people they have killed.

So they are happy to kill 7 innocent people for every 3 claimed terrorist claims. This bother me and it should bother all reasonable people.

Now considering the claim that this 30% are actually Hamas fighters, some worrying doubts arise.

30% is also about the proportion of the Gazan population which are adult male.

So for their 10k claim to be true, all the killed adult males must be Hamas fighters. This would require somewhat amazing targeting of such fighters and execution of attacks.

Only a fool would believe this is possible, but even if such a fool did exist, they may ask why they also killed 24k innocent people. Given their claimed precision, they must have been deliberate.

Obviously, a more likely explanation is that the 10k figure is grossly over inflated.

That in turn makes the Hamas/innocent ratio even more appalling and clearly demonstrates that the killing is indiscriminate. As does the fact that the demographics of the IDF victims closely matches that of the Gazan population.

It is difficult to understand why people don't look into the statistics of what is going on.

Some basic reasoning is a useful tool for understanding. More people should try it.
Basic reasoning and a sound understanding of statistics is a good place to start. Maybe you should try it?

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysi...

KAgantua

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132 months

Thursday 9th May
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We are all Brexiteers now said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/07/re-tea...
He must be a regular contributor here.
His face looks AI generated biggrin

JJJ.

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16 months

Thursday 9th May
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Solocle said:
JJJ. said:
'' I am the wrong kind of Jew...''

https://youtu.be/4mEuE-XiHj4?si=imQMB2ZARmDK7Ccx
Why are you so obsessed with making your "some of my best friends are black" argument?

It's right up there with "I'm not a racist, but..."
Why am I not surprised with your retort. The lady has rocked your insecure little boat, no doubt.

You really do go low with trying to play the man rather than the subject matter, you should be embarrassed.

Go on disagree or take issue with the Jewish lady, leave a comment in YT vid! biggrin






Edited by JJJ. on Thursday 9th May 12:21