45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)

[dobbo_]

EddieSteadyGo said:

LF5335 said:

Because you know what you’re pushing and you’re doing everything you can to not be seen as a drive-by Trump fanboy. If you have an opinion just give it explicitly. I do. I get slated, I get called a broken record, told to shut up and so on. I don’t hide my opinion though or try to give it a semblance of respectable

You clearly don't read any of my posts. I give all of my opinion explicitly. If I add caveats, it's to be more precise, or add clarity, in order to prevent misinterpretation, rather than to please you or anyone else. And I don't believe any of my posts here, with or without caveats, are close to breaking forum rules.

You posted that you haven't seen the evidence but you don't think the evidence (that you haven't seen) passes the threshold for criminality.

There's only one reason you would say that, which I think is what LF5335 was pointing out.

[LF5335]

dobbo_ said:

You posted that you haven't seen the evidence but you don't think the evidence (that you haven't seen) passes the threshold for criminality.

There's only one reason you would say that, which I think is what LF5335 was pointing out.

Yep. Exactly that

[EddieSteadyGo]

dobbo_ said:

You posted that you haven't seen the evidence but you don't think the evidence (that you haven't seen) passes the threshold for criminality.

There's only one reason you would say that, which I think is what LF5335 was pointing out.

No. Re-read what I originally said. Paulguitar asked which cases I thought against Trump should be dropped and for what reasons. I said I couldn't answer that fully because I'd not read all the evidence for all the cases in detail.

However, I did give me view on the "property over-valuation" case, where, based on the evidence I read, I concluded he was guilty. But I thought the size of the fine was punitive and would be reduced massively on appeal.

And for the "hush money" case, I wasn't certain, but my *feeling* was that they are probably overstating their case in order to prosecute for a felony, when it probably isn't.

[LF5335]

EddieSteadyGo said:

No. Re-read what I originally said. Paulguitar asked which cases I thought against Trump should be dropped and for what reasons. I said I couldn't answer that fully because I'd not read all the evidence for all the cases in detail.

However, I did give me view on the "property over-valuation" case, where, based on the evidence I read, I concluded he was guilty. But I thought the size of the fine was punitive and would be reduced massively on appeal.

And for the "hush money" case, I wasn't certain, but my *feeling* was that they are probably overstating their case in order to prosecute for a felony, when it probably isn't.

Anyone who has an opinion on Trump one way or the other will have a similar bias on the court cases. You thinking he’s innocent and the prosecution is overstating their case isn’t a big leap from DOJ weaponisation / election interference.

[EddieSteadyGo]

LF5335 said:

Anyone who has an opinion on Trump one way or the other will have a similar bias on the court cases. You thinking he’s innocent and the prosecution is overstating their case isn’t a big leap from DOJ weaponisation / election interference.

I said I thought he was *guilty* in the property valuation case. But don't let that fact upset your neat labelling system.

[RustyMX5]

LF5335 said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

No. Re-read what I originally said. Paulguitar asked which cases I thought against Trump should be dropped and for what reasons. I said I couldn't answer that fully because I'd not read all the evidence for all the cases in detail.

However, I did give me view on the "property over-valuation" case, where, based on the evidence I read, I concluded he was guilty. But I thought the size of the fine was punitive and would be reduced massively on appeal.

And for the "hush money" case, I wasn't certain, but my *feeling* was that they are probably overstating their case in order to prosecute for a felony, when it probably isn't.

Anyone who has an opinion on Trump one way or the other will have a similar bias on the court cases. You thinking he’s innocent and the prosecution is overstating their case isn’t a big leap from DOJ weaponisation / election interference.

Oh give over. I think he's guilty but I also think the DOJ are overstretching a bit. I'm with Eddie on this one (rarely the case)

[Byker28i]

gregs656 said:

I agree. I still think it is going to be close though. Republicans have a fond memory of Trump's time in office, Dems generally don't view Biden's term favorably.

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I'd suggest there's thousands who have had their student debts paid off who would suggest otherwise

[captain_cynic]

Byker28i said:

gregs656 said:

I agree. I still think it is going to be close though. Republicans have a fond memory of Trump's time in office, Dems generally don't view Biden's term favorably.

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I'd suggest there's thousands who have had their student debts paid off who would suggest otherwise

The biggest issue is Gaza, which I think is vastly overstated and won't make that many people stay home... And by November there may be a ceasefire which would largely negate the issue.

Trump on the other hand seems to be a great motivator for people to get out and vote... Against the Republicans.

[Byker28i]

The Georgia Court of Appeals has agreed to hear an appeal from defendants over whether the judge erred when he ruled that Fani Willis could remain on the Trump RICO prosecution in Fulton County. This pushes that trial further off, likely beyond the election.
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GND5KcRX0AAWPC9?format=jpg&name=small[img]

If Willis is forced out then no doubt the controlling GOP would just replace her with a tame republican AG and he would drop the case against trump and others

[Byker28i]

Fox news announcing a $3.3 billion investment by Microsoft that will create thousands of jobs in the same place where trump announced the Foxconn plant in Racine County that never happened.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1788233076671205407

[Byker28i]

Speaker Johnson again with the standard GOP We can claim something but not prove it...

Speaker Mike Johnson: "We all know, intuitively, that a lot of illegals are voting in federal elections. But it's not been something that's easily provable. We don't have that number."
https://twitter.com/i/status/1788231185174311165

[Byker28i]

trump fake news, claimed a former Wharton professor called trump "the smartest student I ever had."



When the truth is, the actual quote was "Professor Kelley told me 100 times over three decades that 'donald trump was the dumbest goddam student I ever had.' ”

[Byker28i]

trumps pushing the boundaries of his gag order again or more likely just can't control himself

Complaining about his gag order again "when all of the sleazebags, lowlifes, and grifters that you oppose are allowed to say absolutely anything that they want"...

and continued with

[Byker28i]

RFK Jnr is claiming doctors found a dead worm in his head that has eaten part of his brain
https://www.thedailybeast.com/rfk-jr-says-doctors-...

Wonder who found and released that dirt... hum... who likes to gather dirt on those he sees as opponents

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is calling on trump to formally debate him during the upcoming Libertarian Party convention.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4649237-rfk-...

RFK Jr dismisses trump as ‘unhinged’ after being called a ‘Democrat plant’
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/28/ro...

trump is taking concrete steps to deprive Robert F. Kennedy Jr. of oxygen as they compete for a portion of the same voters.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4646637-dona...

[Bonefish Blues]

Nope, he's tramped straight over the boundary, not pushed it. He's going to have to go away for a night or two, surely?

[Byker28i]

Claims that russians are pushing disinformation for trump, with several AI generated posts

[gregs656]

RustyMX5 said:

Oh give over. I think he's guilty but I also think the DOJ are overstretching a bit. I'm with Eddie on this one (rarely the case)

I agree, I do think the testimony so far is excellent for the prosecution and they have done a good job with the witnesses.

Byker28i said:

I'd suggest there's thousands who have had their student debts paid off who would suggest otherwise

You do this a lot and I don't think it is helpful - I was clearly talking in broad terms. People who have had their student debt paid off is one group of many, and it is likely that not everyone who has had their student debt paid has a positive *overall* impression of Biden's first term.

His approval rating is no secret at the end of the day.

[Mortarboard]

captain_cynic said:

The biggest issue is Gaza, which I think is vastly overstated and won't make that many people stay home... And by November there may be a ceasefire which would largely negate the issue.

Trump on the other hand seems to be a great motivator for people to get out and vote... Against the Republicans.

Even among students, gaza cones 3rd or 4th on the list.

M.

[Byker28i]

gregs656 said:

You do this a lot and I don't think it is helpful - I was clearly talking in broad terms. People who have had their student debt paid off is one group of many, and it is likely that not everyone who has had their student debt paid has a positive *overall* impression of Biden's first term.

His approval rating is no secret at the end of the day.

OK, lets put put this way. I know children of friends in the US who tell me that the student debt relief is being very well received and is an incentive to vote for Biden, they don't see trump as good for their future. Gaza comes a far way down their actual concerns about debt, climate change, abortion, healthcare, all things that trump isn't good for.

The polls actually back that up as well.

[gregs656]

Byker28i said:

OK, lets put put this way. I know children of friends in the US who tell me that the student debt relief is being very well received and is an incentive to vote for Biden, they don't see trump as good for their future. Gaza comes a far way down their actual concerns about debt, climate change, abortion, healthcare, all things that trump isn't good for.

The polls actually back that up as well.

So even more specific than your last claim? Helpful.

Take this from CNN for example

'Republicans now are more unified around the idea that Trump’s presidency was a success than Democrats are that Biden’s has been one. Overall, 92% of Republicans call Trump’s time in office a success, while just 73% of Democrats say Biden’s has been a success so far. among independents, 51% say Trump’s presidency was successful, while only 37% see Biden’s as a success.'

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/28/politics/cnn-poll-t...