RE: 2024 Hyundai Ioniq 5 N | UK Review

[PugwasHDJ80]

We've got the twin motor normal ioniq 5
a merc cls 63amg touring
an '01 v8 landcruiser
and a turbo'd mx5

The ioniq is used constantly in preference to all the others by both the wife and I

i suspect if we had the N version we would get rid of both the merc and the mx5

every morning we get up with 260miles of range.

the couple of times we visit family in Cornwall and chester we use a fast charger, which is a bit of a faff at times, but usually we charge from 15% to 80 in the time it takes to have a wee and a coffee.

if you don't have am off road parking area at your house it would be considerably less attractive.

the only thing i'd miss from the cls is the noise.....

[Marcodude]

loudlashadjuster said:

tr3a said:

Here we go again. Moaning about range from those who have never lived with an EV and no information at all about fast charging speed, which is at least as important as range, if not more so.

According to the EV database, this thing can fast charge at 240 kW DC max and has an average (10-80%) fast charge speed of 210 kW. Its fast charge time from 38 to 308 km is just 17 minutes, which is quicker than most people need to stretch their legs, have a pee and get a snack. So there.

Yes, but I’m looking at this or the new Model 3 Performance and, in a trip I do 2 or 3 times a month, it’s the difference between stopping once for 20 mins or so on the way back, to having to find a destination charger (unlikely, given the site) or stop for much longer to do effectively a full charge, even allowing for the fact it will likely charge more quickly than the Tesla.

If that’s the case I accept that the Hyundai doesn’t work for me and I go for the Tesla. Nobody will die

100%.

"is just 17 minutes, which is quicker than most people need to stretch their legs, have a pee and get a snack. So there"

That just DOESN'T happen. In my experience, it's "we should probably stop and charge" 10 mins diversion from route or the missus is stuck on her phone looking for a charging station. Then it's another 10mins getting hooked up,pay and charge (i timed and it was over double the time of a fuel stop).

All up it's 30mins. In real terms it's not a huge deal, but our 3 hour trip on holiday has become 3:30hrs now.

Edited by Marcodude on Friday 10th May 02:11

[sege]

I applaud Hyundai for trying to make an exciting and driver focused EV, or at least their marketing department for pretending to, but this is a 2.2 tonne, 4.4 meter long, 1.5 meters high(!) 4 seat MPV/SUV hatchback.... And i thought regular SUVs were stupid. All that metal and material and bulk to transport 4 people. Disappointing. I would never drive something like this. Nissan Leaf still my choice for an A-B whiteware appliance, which at 2.2 tonnes, is all this really is, regardless of power and styling.

[loudlashadjuster]

bigyoungdave said:

Julian Scott said:

bigyoungdave said:

Badgerr said:

Similar range to a petrol i30 N then! What people need to understand is that when you get in an EV, the range suggested is a Guess-o-meter. Once the car works out your style of driving, the GOM will become more accurate. These test cars have been thrashed by the journos so predicted range will always be lower than real time ownership. This learnt from owning my own EV.

However, in your petrol i30N you can add another 200 miles of range in 2 minutes at thousands of outlets across the country

But not overnight whilst you are sleeping. Yin/Yang.

But 300 to 400 miles is a realistic amount a lot of people might want to do in a day, without an overnight stop.

But, that’s the thing; it’s really not the kind of journey “a lot of people” actually do.

400 miles is about 5% of the annual mileage for the average car. People who are doing that regularly are a relatively small cohort.

[JAMSXR]

Marcodude said:

100%.

"is just 17 minutes, which is quicker than most people need to stretch their legs, have a pee and get a snack. So there"

That just DOESN'T happen. In my experience, it's "we should probably stop and charge" 10 mins diversion from route or the missus is stuck on her phone looking for a charging station. Then it's another 10mins getting hooked up,pay and charge (i timed and it was over double the time of a fuel stop).

All up it's 30mins. In real terms it's not a huge deal, but our 3 hour trip on holiday has become 3:30hrs now.

Edited by Marcodude on Friday 10th May 02:11

Well put.

I’ve got a few 200 mile work trips and family weekends away over the next 3 weeks. I’m not exactly expecting to be left stranded but there’s an extra layer of faff required for EV charging. The everyday day convenience and low running costs easily outweigh the negatives, but at this price point the range is a drawback, no doubt.

[bigyoungdave]

loudlashadjuster said:

bigyoungdave said:

Julian Scott said:

bigyoungdave said:

Badgerr said:

Similar range to a petrol i30 N then! What people need to understand is that when you get in an EV, the range suggested is a Guess-o-meter. Once the car works out your style of driving, the GOM will become more accurate. These test cars have been thrashed by the journos so predicted range will always be lower than real time ownership. This learnt from owning my own EV.

However, in your petrol i30N you can add another 200 miles of range in 2 minutes at thousands of outlets across the country

But not overnight whilst you are sleeping. Yin/Yang.

But 300 to 400 miles is a realistic amount a lot of people might want to do in a day, without an overnight stop.

But, that’s the thing; it’s really not the kind of journey “a lot of people” actually do.

400 miles is about 5% of the annual mileage for the average car. People who are doing that regularly are a relatively small cohort.

I fully appreciate that point. That length of journey I may only make three or four times a year myself. But that is often enough to prevent an EV being a viable option for me (other than as a luxury toy on top of my ICE)

[cerb4.5lee]

JAMSXR said:

Marcodude said:

100%.

"is just 17 minutes, which is quicker than most people need to stretch their legs, have a pee and get a snack. So there"

That just DOESN'T happen. In my experience, it's "we should probably stop and charge" 10 mins diversion from route or the missus is stuck on her phone looking for a charging station. Then it's another 10mins getting hooked up,pay and charge (i timed and it was over double the time of a fuel stop).

All up it's 30mins. In real terms it's not a huge deal, but our 3 hour trip on holiday has become 3:30hrs now.

Edited by Marcodude on Friday 10th May 02:11

Well put.

I’ve got a few 200 mile work trips and family weekends away over the next 3 weeks. I’m not exactly expecting to be left stranded but there’s an extra layer of faff required for EV charging. The everyday day convenience and low running costs easily outweigh the negatives, but at this price point the range is a drawback, no doubt.

I'm pretty well known for having a rant about range(or the lack of it with EVs), but I do often wonder if it is just a very small pocket of us that actually do care about range though. My missus is a high mileage driver(30k miles a year), so range is very important to her/us, whereas if you're only pottering around local, then range doesn't even become an issue at all in comparison I'd imagine.

[OPC100]

I have no real interest in this car due to its' size and weight. But what it does do is keep me hopeful of the future with EV. If Hyundai can make this car fun and its' size shrink around you when on the move, just imagine what they might be able to do with an EV i20N replacement. Or what Toyota can do with an EV GR86, or Mazda with an EV MX-5.

[fatjon]

The range can be drastically improved with a bit of familiarity. My EV6 GT is pretty much the same car and is in the high 3.x miles/kwh over the last month of warmer UK weather. Yesterday I averaged 4.1 over a 40 mile return trip, mainly A roads.
The numbers in the article are typical for winter weather.

[Nomme de Plum]

JAMSXR said:

Marcodude said:

100%.

"is just 17 minutes, which is quicker than most people need to stretch their legs, have a pee and get a snack. So there"

That just DOESN'T happen. In my experience, it's "we should probably stop and charge" 10 mins diversion from route or the missus is stuck on her phone looking for a charging station. Then it's another 10mins getting hooked up,pay and charge (i timed and it was over double the time of a fuel stop).

All up it's 30mins. In real terms it's not a huge deal, but our 3 hour trip on holiday has become 3:30hrs now.

Edited by Marcodude on Friday 10th May 02:11

Well put.

I’ve got a few 200 mile work trips and family weekends away over the next 3 weeks. I’m not exactly expecting to be left stranded but there’s an extra layer of faff required for EV charging. The everyday day convenience and low running costs easily outweigh the negatives, but at this price point the range is a drawback, no doubt.

Not at all.

I do wonder how some people manage to muddle their way anywhere, even through life. I've never had to do such diversions. It's not rocket science and there are now good apps to help including ones that link to home electrical supply and so give a charging discount.

Obviously the rate of charge is vehicle dependent but saying it needs 10mis diversion + 10mins to get charging is a massive exaggeration.

[JAMSXR]

Nomme de Plum said:

Not at all.

I do wonder how some people manage to muddle their way anywhere, even through life. I've never had to do such diversions. It's not rocket science and there are now good apps to help including ones that link to home electrical supply and so give a charging discount.

Obviously the rate of charge is vehicle dependent but saying it needs 10mis diversion + 10mins to get charging is a massive exaggeration.

Well that’s been the case on my last 3 longer journeys, using the Supercharger network to be fair. It would have been a simple there and back in the ICE, but required a charge stop (slight diversion) in the EV. It didn’t bother me much, but at this price point I would want more range, is that so hard to understand?

Edited by JAMSXR on Friday 10th May 08:02

[740EVTORQUES]

I'm in the fortunate position that when I do longer trips that will require a charge midway (sometimes there and back) I could take a petrol car and avoid the need to recharge altogether.

I never do.

That tells you how much of a burden recharging is.

If I could only have one car, the EV would be the one to stay.

[fatjon]

Faff?
pull up, plug in, wave credit card. wander off for a pee and a coffee.

[cerb4.5lee]

740EVTORQUES said:

I'm in the fortunate position that when I do longer trips that will require a charge midway (sometimes there and back) I could take a petrol car and avoid the need to recharge altogether.

I never do.

That tells you how much of a burden recharging is.

If I could only have one car, the EV would be the one to stay.

As you can imagine...I'd be looking for the tallest building that I could jump off if an EV was my only car to be fair!

I'd see it as some sort of punishment for something that I'd done wrong in my life for sure.

[740EVTORQUES]

cerb4.5lee said:

740EVTORQUES said:

I'm in the fortunate position that when I do longer trips that will require a charge midway (sometimes there and back) I could take a petrol car and avoid the need to recharge altogether.

I never do.

That tells you how much of a burden recharging is.

If I could only have one car, the EV would be the one to stay.

As you can imagine...I'd be looking for the tallest building that I could jump off if an EV was my only car to be fair!

I'd see it as some sort of punishment for something that I'd done wrong in my life for sure.

That was my thought as well...until I got the EV that is. (To be fair an EV6 GT is more rewarding than the average EV, but they're all good IMO. Good enough to make me leave the 997 on the drive most of the time!)

[740EVTORQUES]

cerb4.5lee said:

740EVTORQUES said:

I'm in the fortunate position that when I do longer trips that will require a charge midway (sometimes there and back) I could take a petrol car and avoid the need to recharge altogether.

I never do.

That tells you how much of a burden recharging is.

If I could only have one car, the EV would be the one to stay.

As you can imagine...I'd be looking for the tallest building that I could jump off if an EV was my only car to be fair!

I'd see it as some sort of punishment for something that I'd done wrong in my life for sure.

That was my thought as well...until I got the EV that is. (To be fair an EV6 GT is more rewarding than the average EV, but they're all good IMO. Good enough to make me leave the 997 on the drive most of the time!)

[fatjon]

I have a Discovery, AMG 45S, Ranger, Ghibli and an EV6 GT to choose from.

It’s always the EV6 that I choose. Fast, quiet, comfortable and costs next to nothing to run. Any ICE car I drive feels as primitive as a horse and cart now and with about the same performance. Wringing the neck of a thrashy engine full of reciprocating oily bits has lost all its appeal. On paper the EV6 and A45S are similar, in reality the EV6 is massively faster and a damn site more pleasant to drive as the power is instant and all but silent. Not sure I would want the 5n pretend engine noises but to each his own I suppose.

[JAMSXR]

fatjon said:

Faff?
pull up, plug in, wave credit card. wander off for a pee and a coffee.

I’m sure if you’re a retired gentleman of leisure there is no faffing, but let me give this weeks example. Business meeting in Hinckley, the journey there and back required a quick top up, as I was making good time I decided to do it on route to save me hitting peak M25 congestion on route home. The closest supercharger required me to circle back on the M1, it was a 15 min diversion and a 15 min charge (at least). My ETA went from 40 min early to 5 min due to the stop. Clearly not the end of the world, but with >250 miles of range I would have got there and back on a single charge - zero faff

[Blackpuddin]

Shutlines look incredibly tight, looks like a quality car generally. Amazing strides have been taken by the Korean car industry in recent times.

Edited by Blackpuddin on Friday 10th May 10:18

[blearyeyedboy]

Dr G said:

It's reassuring to hear that it's entertaining at road speeds/driving (rather than just Youtube-friendly drift/nurburgring stuff).

Fair play Hyundai.

Not a model that appeals to me particularly but it does appear to be the first successful attempt at making an EV for car people.

My sentiments exactly. I think we'll look back on this car as an important moment.

It's too big for my needs but that's not Hyundai's fault; it's correct-sized for its segment and right there with an ID4 or Model Y.

I'm looking at the upcoming Kia EV3, interested to see the inevitable Hyundai Ioniq version and its N division offspring. With lessons learned from this bigger car, I have high hopes for an Ioniq 3N or Ioniq 4N...