RE: New 550hp BMW M4 CS promises 'iconic M feeling'

[jimmyjimjim]

Bladedancer said:

Rusty Old-Banger said:

Ken_Code said:

Bladedancer said:

Not really. I prefer proper 223 rem in rifle form rather than an SMG made from a tin can.

What on Earth does that mean?

Some people get a little excited talking about it.

Well done someone finally got it.
In case it needs further explanation, it was a jab at the "M3 > M4" but my miscalculation was the fact that I forgot that Brits will only get references to cars and football and not much else It might be a sign I'm working too long with Americans.

Edited by Bladedancer on Thursday 9th May 09:36

I got it. And agree with you. But I'm a septic now, and own AR-15s.

[J-P]

CKY said:

howardhughes said:

The nicest thing about it is the colour, everything else is revolting. And to think BMW used to make some of the best looking M cars, this is an insult.

My thoughts exactly. I happened to see an M4CSL driving down the road on Sunday, aside from the pig-ugly styling and sheer size of the bloody thing, I couldn't help but wonder why on Earth you'd get any car in matte grey..? Matte grey on black wheels, absolutely revolting.

Maybe because not everybody likes the same thing? I have an M4CSL in matte grey, with black wheels and believe me the only place it gets any negative commentary is here on PH.

IRL, it's easily the most popular car I've ever owned including various Porsches. It gets way more love than you or most of the PH massive would believe.

[pheonix478]

J-P said:

...it's easily the most popular car I've ever owned including various Porsches. It gets way more love...

What do you mean? Popular how? Random people come up to you and say they like your car? With the exception of trackdays I don't think anyone has ever said anything to me about my cars, ever. Good or bad. All CSL's are pretty special cars but I'd only expect car nerds to know what it is.

Edited by pheonix478 on Thursday 9th May 21:44

[Forester1965]

You'd be surprised. I used to have a bog standard M3 Comp and people used to compliment it all the time.

[greggy50]

pheonix478 said:

greggy50 said:

Having driven both the new M4 Comp and M2 back to back I would strongly disagree unless the CS completely transforms the way the M4 drives.

The M2 and M4 are now very similar underneath (hence the weight) other than the M2 having a shorter wheelbase and being RWD only.

Even the M4 CSL suspension bits are effectively a bolt on part to the M2 (if you wanted)

Personally, I am going to do an Evolve remap to circa. 600bhp (comes with a warranty) and fit coilovers but probably in spring next year once I have had a few months to get used to it...

Edited by greggy50 on Thursday 9th May 17:30

My money would 100% go on the M2 also. I haven't driven the newest one but my only gripe about the previous one was the ride was atrocious and felt like it had no suspension at all, I guess if you're talking about coilovers on a brand new car, the new one isn't much better?

The ride is great on the new one, I just want to drop it and add some spacers to get a better stanc.

I may just do eibach lowering springs so I can keep the dampers but want to read up a bit yet.

[oedipus]

It has the capacity to go fast for the very brief time circumstances allow but it will look ugly all of the time. No thanks.

[Slippydiff]

Wills2 said:

Well you won't find that gear change action in any BMW past or present, as they are mostly woeful.

+2

And yet folk still form an orderly queue to have their E46 M3 CSL’s converted from SMG to bowl of rice pudding stirrer spec…

Meanwhile on the subject of modern BMW’s and HVAC controls ..
I had an i4 loan car yesterday. Could the muppet/s that designed the HVAC controls have made them any less intuitive to use ?
One has to question whether they’ve actually ever driven a car …

As someone else suggested, this isn’t about making the functionality better, it’s about cost cutting. Not having to buy and fit 5 switches/knobs to several million cars every year must amount to a pretty decent cost saving one would imagine.

[MNut]

I know looks have been done to death on here and past threads but I've warmed to the front end and actually quite like it and M4s/M3s look SO aggressive on the road, particularly when lowered a touch.

For me its not the front end thats the issue, it's those god awful mirrors and door handles, why do they have to be so big!? Also the swage lines are all over the place, why the hell is there a line in the middle of the door? Why not just have one line that follows from the front wing all the way to the rear quarter and remain cohesive? It's just a dogs dinner design wise and the M3 is far more handsome (I can even forgive the out of sync door handles on the M3 and the ugly mirrors)

I'd rather have the M3 Touring and add the CSL handling bits to it (like Evolve did), for now I'm more than happy with my F87 M2 Comp, such a wonderfully joyous machine to drive and to look at, from an era when BMW still made handsome looking cars that weren't the size and weight of a shipping barge.

[bigblock]

Having never really been a fan of the new front end I recently surprised myself when I bought one based on how taken I was with the looks of a black M4 Convertible. Its was supposed to be my wife's new car but its such a great looking and exciting car to drive I am not doing a lot of sharing !

[raspy]

Slippydiff said:

+2

And yet folk still form an orderly queue to have their E46 M3 CSL’s converted from SMG to bowl of rice pudding stirrer spec…

Meanwhile on the subject of modern BMW’s and HVAC controls ..
I had an i4 loan car yesterday. Could the muppet/s that designed the HVAC controls have made them any less intuitive to use ?
One has to question whether they’ve actually ever driven a car …

As someone else suggested, this isn’t about making the functionality better, it’s about cost cutting. Not having to buy and fit 5 switches/knobs to several million cars every year must amount to a pretty decent cost saving one would imagine.

Actually it's driven by the quest for manufacturers to be more "sustainable" - fewer buttons, fewer wires etc make a difference and the cost savings are an additional bonus.

Yeah it's a bit weird at first but once you live with a very modern BMW for a few weeks, you get used to the the lack of buttons Vs older models.

[J-P]

pheonix478 said:

J-P said:

...it's easily the most popular car I've ever owned including various Porsches. It gets way more love...

What do you mean? Popular how? Random people come up to you and say they like your car? With the exception of trackdays I don't think anyone has ever said anything to me about my cars, ever. Good or bad. All CSL's are pretty special cars but I'd only expect car nerds to know what it is.

Edited by pheonix478 on Thursday 9th May 21:44

Yep exactly that, so many times, I can't remember all of them. But the first time I parked it in a multi storey - young woman walked up to me and asked if she could take a picture of my car, next time parked outside a co-op and come outside to have a crowd of people around it, all saying the car looked awesome, what was it like to drive etc, etc.. at Bicester Village, was asked to park in the ultra VIP parking (where the Ferraris and Astons are usually parked). Honestly, completely insane how popular it is!

[Pottyfield]

£117k hahahaahha. I was offered the last ‘3 version for £25k under list so this is a £60k car in 2 years. Buy something else.

[CG2020UK]

raspy said:

Actually it's driven by the quest for manufacturers to be more "sustainable" - fewer buttons, fewer wires etc make a difference and the cost savings are an additional bonus.

Yeah it's a bit weird at first but once you live with a very modern BMW for a few weeks, you get used to the the lack of buttons Vs older models.

I have IDrive 8 and IDrive 6 in our cars.

I’d take IDrive8 every time it’s just so much better and safer.

[Mr Tidy]

Slippydiff said:

Wills2 said:

Well you won't find that gear change action in any BMW past or present, as they are mostly woeful.

+2

And yet folk still form an orderly queue to have their E46 M3 CSL’s converted from SMG to bowl of rice pudding stirrer spec…

Meanwhile on the subject of modern BMW’s and HVAC controls ..
I had an i4 loan car yesterday. Could the muppet/s that designed the HVAC controls have made them any less intuitive to use ?
One has to question whether they’ve actually ever driven a car …

As someone else suggested, this isn’t about making the functionality better, it’s about cost cutting. Not having to buy and fit 5 switches/knobs to several million cars every year must amount to a pretty decent cost saving one would imagine.

That's probably because BMW fitted Getrag boxes to 7 of the 8 manual BMWs I've had that ranged from woeful to OK - my current 3 Series is towards the woeful. But my 8th is a Z4M with a ZF gearbox and it is much better!

Those CSL owners must know something - how is an automated manual ever going to be better than a manual?

As for cost saving not having switches/buttons that's probably a benefit for BMW, but not for future owners when the warranty has expired!

[Slippydiff]

raspy said:

Actually it's driven by the quest for manufacturers to be more "sustainable" - fewer buttons, fewer wires etc make a difference and the cost savings are an additional bonus.

Yeah it's a bit weird at first but once you live with a very modern BMW for a few weeks, you get used to the the lack of buttons Vs older models.

"Sustainable" is corporate speak for cost cutting.

I'll stick with the "older models", I've no doubt the lack of 32 different interior ambient lighting colours will grate, but I'll live with it, likewise the head up display, lane departure, snazzy display graphics et all will make life all but unbearable, but having a rotary dial to adjust the heating temperature and straightforward buttons to adjust the fan speed, will more than compensate for all the other pointless stuff I'll have to forgo ...

[Slippydiff]

Mr Tidy said:

As for cost saving not having switches/buttons that's probably a benefit for BMW, but not for future owners when the warranty has expired!

It'll no doubt save BMW millions, and will make the process of charging for and enabling options easier for them too.

And lets not forget, all these cars now come with the dubious "benefit" of being fitted with speed-limiters which can and will be enabled when the necessary legislation is passed.

[hungry_hog]

Seen quite a few M4s on the road and still mistake them for an 8 series - they look massive.

Not sure that's a bad thing, but if you compare to the old 3 series coupe (even as recently as the E92) it's like comparing the Rock to Lester Piggott!

[Mr Tidy]

Slippydiff said:

And lets not forget, all these cars now come with the dubious "benefit" of being fitted with speed-limiters which can and will be enabled when the necessary legislation is passed.

If, or more likely when, that day comes buying an M would seem a bit pointless!

[cerb4.5lee]

Mr Tidy said:

Slippydiff said:

And lets not forget, all these cars now come with the dubious "benefit" of being fitted with speed-limiters which can and will be enabled when the necessary legislation is passed.

If, or more likely when, that day comes buying an M would seem a bit pointless!

Older school is definitely the way forward I reckon if that is the case for sure.

[pheonix478]

cerb4.5lee said:

Mr Tidy said:

Slippydiff said:

And lets not forget, all these cars now come with the dubious "benefit" of being fitted with speed-limiters which can and will be enabled when the necessary legislation is passed.

If, or more likely when, that day comes buying an M would seem a bit pointless!

Older school is definitely the way forward I reckon if that is the case for sure.

Absolutely. The day they introduce that shyte will be the day I never buy another new car. Presumably they'll need to force us out of all the older stuff too though for that to ever work?