Jaguar F-Pace Non Runner
Discussion
skwdenyer said:
Megaflow said:
That is a bad analogy to use. Speaking as someone who works in the engine industry, the original K-Series head gasket, dowel alignment, oil feed system is so utterly piss poor, it should have not have made its way on to a CAD screen, leave alone off it on to drawings!
I’m not sure how much modern-day-recognisable CAD there was in 1984 
I’m not sure CADDS could handle something as complex as a whole engine, could it?
A.J.M said:
I’m currently using my dad’s E pace with the D180 engine.
It’s a 2019 year and has just over 29k, serviced 1000 miles ago.
Can get a video of it running with bonnet up if you wish to compare noises from an engine with no issues to yours?
Thanks for the offer. It sounds strange but, once it's warmed up fully, I wouldn't mind a video of the oil cap unscrewed but resting over the hole. I would like to see if it bounces around with the crankcase pressure or not.It’s a 2019 year and has just over 29k, serviced 1000 miles ago.
Can get a video of it running with bonnet up if you wish to compare noises from an engine with no issues to yours?
Heaveho said:
Andy86GT said:
it sounded terrible, like a Transit or something
How dare you diss the Transit, my 2018 Transit Connect is a paragon of loveliness! 
Mad Maximus said:
The value would be in the life lesson for me and the fun of doing it although I appreciate second time round probably wasn’t much fun.
Get shot it’s a bad engine with a when not if countdown. No matter how good the car is it’s a massive thorn to live with although I suppose if anyone can live with it it’s gona be you as you can fix it yourself.
There has been a few life lessons learnt. Get shot it’s a bad engine with a when not if countdown. No matter how good the car is it’s a massive thorn to live with although I suppose if anyone can live with it it’s gona be you as you can fix it yourself.
1. Don't try to repair something that's someone has already had a go at.
2. Don't rush into decisions. I decided to re-build the old engine based on the fact I didn't want to wait for a suitable donor car or used engine, that was a mistake.
3. Maybe just don't fix broken cars at all, some work out alright but I've had a few I end up upside down on. I enjoy it but it's not always a good use of my time.
Escy said:
3. Maybe just don't fix broken cars at all, some work out alright but I've had a few I end up upside down on. I enjoy it but it's not always a good use of my time.
My dad is a retired mechanic, from seeing him try this on numerous vehicles this is the conclusion I have come to. If my dad is looking at a car he will end up buying the cheapest example with the view of repairing it. However, every single time he ends up with a car that cost more and is in worse condition than if he had just bought a decent one in the first place.Also they always have way more problems than he thought when he initially bought it.
Now if my parents are looking at a car my mum will get me to find it as she knows my dad will just buy the ropiest example going because "it was cheap". Any money spent on parts and his time is not factored into the equation he uses of calculating how much it actually cost.
ThingsBehindTheSun said:
Also they always have way more problems than he thought when he initially bought it.
Now if my parents are looking at a car my mum will get me to find it as she knows my dad will just buy the ropiest example going because "it was cheap". Any money spent on parts and his time is not factored into the equation he uses of calculating how much it actually cost.
Half the issue there is ignorance, if it seems ok you don't go looking and find the other things...there is peace of mind in ignorance and that's why i still think Escy should get out.Now if my parents are looking at a car my mum will get me to find it as she knows my dad will just buy the ropiest example going because "it was cheap". Any money spent on parts and his time is not factored into the equation he uses of calculating how much it actually cost.
How long until you trust the engin? every noise would fill me with dread before we acknowledge it's not had a new chain and tensioner so that will already be on the list and weighing heavy
Fair play for getting it back up and running OP. Your skills and determination are certainly to be admired.
What to do with it next is a tough one; your £16.5k deep into but the fact that you’d choose the cheap BMW for a long trip shows you don’t really trust it (this might change in due course). I guess you’ve got to give it a bit of a shot now.
What to do with it next is a tough one; your £16.5k deep into but the fact that you’d choose the cheap BMW for a long trip shows you don’t really trust it (this might change in due course). I guess you’ve got to give it a bit of a shot now.
bigmowley said:
As an ex K-series engine designer I can confirm that the entire engine was designed on CAD. Computervisions finest no less. CADDS4X if I recall correctly. We used to work shifts at “the Rover” as the CAD terminals cost a bloody fortune. It’s a bloody good engine, let down in its early years by some very tricky manufacturing problems and reliability issues. Once sorted its grown steadily better.
Ah, the glory days of CADDS I’d forgotten CADDS4 had come out as early as it did. CADDS3 ran on the old phosphor memory vector displays and looks to today’s eyes like something from the Ark! IIRC Computervision stuff was of the order or $200k a seat in 1984 money - about £0.5m in today’s money.So can you shed any light on the HG and dowel issues?
ThingsBehindTheSun said:
Also they always have way more problems than he thought when he initially bought it.
I find this is fairly common, if someone sells on a car that's broken down there's usually a couple of skeletons in the closet. I once got royally tucked up on an Alfa 156 Selespeed I bought. Cambelt snapped, fixed it only to find out the gearbox was dodgy. I was lucky with this Jaguar in that regard, the rest of it was good, had no issues other than what I bought it with.andburg said:
How long until you trust the engin? every noise would fill me with dread before we acknowledge it's not had a new chain and tensioner so that will already be on the list and weighing heavy
I fitted the chains that I used on the old engine which were a couple of thousand miles old. I don't know if I'll ever be truly relaxed about it, I'm always going to be listening with a keen ear. Court_S said:
Fair play for getting it back up and running OP. Your skills and determination are certainly to be admired.
What to do with it next is a tough one; your £16.5k deep into but the fact that you’d choose the cheap BMW for a long trip shows you don’t really trust it (this might change in due course). I guess you’ve got to give it a bit of a shot now.
That's as much down to n/a petrol vs turbo diesel as anything else. I've always had diesel for the family car as the economy is better. It's a false economy if you spent 3k replacing the engine. The point stands for the amount of people that end up spending thousands chasing DPF and EGR faults which is common across all diesels. I wouldn't expect to jump into any diesel car from any manufacturer if the car is 7 years old and has over100k under it's belt and expect no issues over the next few years. What to do with it next is a tough one; your £16.5k deep into but the fact that you’d choose the cheap BMW for a long trip shows you don’t really trust it (this might change in due course). I guess you’ve got to give it a bit of a shot now.
If I do replace the Jaguar I might go for a decent size n/a petrol and just accept the extra £25 a week cost in fuel. It would be nearly 3 years before I equalled the cost of what I've just spent on this replacement engine. Petrol cars tend to be cheaper than the diesel equivalent.
With all that said, I've already sunk the money in now.
Escy I’ve decided you’re a glutton for punishment with a stubborn streak added in!
You’ve had all the advice and opinions and yet here you are still with the car and it’s problems soldiering on.
I don’t have your skills to take a job on like that and in this instance I’m thankful for it.
Best of luck with it.
You’ve had all the advice and opinions and yet here you are still with the car and it’s problems soldiering on.
I don’t have your skills to take a job on like that and in this instance I’m thankful for it.
Best of luck with it.
Escy said:
andburg said:
How long until you trust the engin? every noise would fill me with dread before we acknowledge it's not had a new chain and tensioner so that will already be on the list and weighing heavy
I fitted the chains that I used on the old engine which were a couple of thousand miles old. I don't know if I'll ever be truly relaxed about it, I'm always going to be listening with a keen ear. Don't get me wrong, I'm not averse to slightly shonky engineering and patchy reliability (I have an old TVR in the garage) but reliability issues have a much smaller impact when it's a second car that you use for fun, and when something does happen, there's a lot less pressure to get it sorted quickly. I can (and often do) just leave it in the dark in the garage for a few weeks and let it think about what it's done.
Incredible fortitude on your part though.
In the past when you had cars with a bad reputation some enterprising soul would come up with a conversion kit to fit something else in the hole.
I guess those days are gone with all the electronics and canbus having to work. It is a shame as your car looks great and drives well I bet but it is just that niggle reliability wise
I guess those days are gone with all the electronics and canbus having to work. It is a shame as your car looks great and drives well I bet but it is just that niggle reliability wise
I would keep it Escy, The engine partially stripped looked well maintained, It sounds good, You've deleted the DPF so no more excessive heat of regens etc, Oil changes at 5K and i reckon it will plough on, These days it seems it's all the emission cr@p that makes diesels unreliable, We have 69 plate Merc Sprinter auto's at work, All around the 270K miles, Due for replacement in July, We have not had 1 engine or driveline replacement on any of them but Adblue injectors/Sensors and DPF faults are another story!
klunkT5 said:
I would keep it Escy, The engine partially stripped looked well maintained, It sounds good, You've deleted the DPF so no more excessive heat of regens etc, Oil changes at 5K and i reckon it will plough on, These days it seems it's all the emission cr@p that makes diesels unreliable, We have 69 plate Merc Sprinter auto's at work, All around the 270K miles, Due for replacement in July, We have not had 1 engine or driveline replacement on any of them but Adblue injectors/Sensors and DPF faults are another story!
I deliberately bought an early 2018 Connect, as they came with Adblu from 68 plate onwards. True to form, the later ones seem to be aggro, so I've dodged that bullet. If I didn't have reservations about possible future legal problems, I'd do an EGR and DPF delete in a heartbeat. Flies in the face of common sense to have all this s
t compromising reliability for the sake of the ill informed handwringers who make the rules, and if I have related problems with the van in future that might just be the deciding factor in me throwing caution to the wind.LunarOne said:
A.J.M said:
I’ll get a video for you on Sunday.
Can you upload videos on to here or is it an email job?
Never had to do it before.
Upload to Youtube (you can keep the video unlisted to prevent anyone without the link from finding it) and then post the link here.Can you upload videos on to here or is it an email job?
Never had to do it before.
Email also has file size limits, I find WhatsApp the best way of sending videos to friends
QBee said:
LunarOne said:
A.J.M said:
I’ll get a video for you on Sunday.
Can you upload videos on to here or is it an email job?
Never had to do it before.
Upload to Youtube (you can keep the video unlisted to prevent anyone without the link from finding it) and then post the link here.Can you upload videos on to here or is it an email job?
Never had to do it before.
Email also has file size limits, I find WhatsApp the best way of sending videos to friends
dudleybloke said:
QBee said:
LunarOne said:
A.J.M said:
I’ll get a video for you on Sunday.
Can you upload videos on to here or is it an email job?
Never had to do it before.
Upload to Youtube (you can keep the video unlisted to prevent anyone without the link from finding it) and then post the link here.Can you upload videos on to here or is it an email job?
Never had to do it before.
Email also has file size limits, I find WhatsApp the best way of sending videos to friends
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