Speed Camera Cut Down

[DickP]

FMOB said:

I think the biggest issue is the general perception they are revenue raisers first and foremost with improving safety a distant second.

I don't know if the information is already published but the justification for putting up a camera should be published, lack of information about why it is there is the biggest problem.

People should easily be able to see the reason for the camera being needed.

In Lancashire some areas have had cameras put up with the publicised justification "because there may be a collision issue" rather than there actually being data of one. i.e. they are now trying to forecast where issues may arise. Sets a precedent to put them up anywhere they want to (for political reasons perhaps even?).

[Mont Blanc]

bad company said:

Mont Blanc said:

Exactly this.

The public could go out on a night of mass civil disobedience and cut every single one down, and they would all get replaced.

Pointless.

So we all become good boys and girls and do exactly what we’re told?

Sounds like you’d be happier in China or North Korea.

You are reading far too much into what I said.

I am merely suggesting the authorities would simply erect the cameras again, at our expense.

Look at how many ULEZ cameras have been vandalised, and what happened? They just get put back up again.

I’m no fan of speed cameras, but I’m a realist. If they all got cut down, they would simply be repaired and put back into service.

What wouldn’t happen is the government saying “ok ok, you win, we won’t put them back up again”

tim jb said:

He's a police officer. Lot of them on here.

You couldn’t be more wrong. I’m one of those tax paying, middle class, law abiding types who doesn’t trust or like the police. There are lots of us these days.

[wc98]

Pica-Pica said:

Just look at the second clip and reflect on what you wrote.

The camera didn't stop the clown in the second clip from driving like a tool though. Seems to be a sensible site for a camera, i doubt many people have a problem with them in a built up area.

[bad company]

Mont Blanc said:

bad company said:

Mont Blanc said:

Exactly this.

The public could go out on a night of mass civil disobedience and cut every single one down, and they would all get replaced.

Pointless.

So we all become good boys and girls and do exactly what we’re told?

Sounds like you’d be happier in China or North Korea.

You are reading far too much into what I said.

I am merely suggesting the authorities would simply erect the cameras again, at our expense.

Look at how many ULEZ cameras have been vandalised, and what happened? They just get put back up again.

I’m no fan of speed cameras, but I’m a realist. If they all got cut down, they would simply be repaired and put back into service.

What wouldn’t happen is the government saying “ok ok, you win, we won’t put them back up again”

Fair enough, you have my apologies.

[Missy Charm]

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Edited by Missy Charm on Saturday 11th May 19:32

[Funky Squirrel]

Missy Charm said:

RIP Camra. U were taken from this world 2 yung but will always liv in are hearts. U may hav sadly past away but u'v got ur angle wings now. Fly free with the angles, Camra coz these wings were maid to fly.

Were gunna hav a candal lit seance or vijil (cant remmember word lol!) tonight nr where Camra woz. We will rememmber him! Bring ur own candal! Pls like and share this post.

Edited by Missy Charm on Saturday 11th May 19:32

Lmao

[wc98]

Missy Charm said:

RIP Camra. U were taken from this world 2 yung but will always liv in are hearts. U may hav sadly past away but u'v got ur angle wings now. Fly free with the angles, Camra coz these wings were maid to fly.

Were gunna hav a candal lit seance or vijil (cant remmember word lol!) tonight nr where Camra woz. We will rememmber him! Bring ur own candal! Pls like and share this post.

Edited by Missy Charm on Saturday 11th May 19:32

[oyster]

bad company said:

Mont Blanc said:

Exactly this.

The public could go out on a night of mass civil disobedience and cut every single one down, and they would all get replaced.

Pointless.

So we all become good boys and girls and do exactly what we’re told?

Sounds like you’d be happier in China or North Korea.

You can protest. You can elect a different government. You can't do that in China or North Korea.

You can't vandalise things.
Tell me, is there a country you're aware of where vandalism is legal?

[bad company]

oyster said:

bad company said:

Mont Blanc said:

Exactly this.

The public could go out on a night of mass civil disobedience and cut every single one down, and they would all get replaced.

Pointless.

So we all become good boys and girls and do exactly what we’re told?

Sounds like you’d be happier in China or North Korea.

You can protest. You can elect a different government. You can't do that in China or North Korea.

You can't vandalise things.
Tell me, is there a country you're aware of where vandalism is legal?

I do not vandalise. Neither do I criticise those who remove the cameras.

[oyster]

bad company said:

oyster said:

bad company said:

Mont Blanc said:

Exactly this.

The public could go out on a night of mass civil disobedience and cut every single one down, and they would all get replaced.

Pointless.

So we all become good boys and girls and do exactly what we’re told?

Sounds like you’d be happier in China or North Korea.

You can protest. You can elect a different government. You can't do that in China or North Korea.

You can't vandalise things.
Tell me, is there a country you're aware of where vandalism is legal?

I do not vandalise. Neither do I criticise those who remove the cameras.

They’re vandals. Criminals.

[119]

bad company said:

Mont Blanc said:

Exactly this.

The public could go out on a night of mass civil disobedience and cut every single one down, and they would all get replaced.

Pointless.

So we all become good boys and girls and do exactly what we’re told?

Sounds like you’d be happier in China or North Korea.

[siremoon]

oyster said:

You can elect a different government.

You can indeed. Before the year is out no doubt millions of motorists will vote for a party that loves LTNs, congestion charges, environmental charges, school streets, 20 mph speed limits and all the other anti-car stuff. Then some of those motorists will inevitably come on here and moan about LTNs, congestion charges, environmental charges, school streets, 20 mph speed limits and all the other anti-car stuff. If you like driving then be careful what you wish for.

[XCP]

You don't think school streets are a good idea?

[bigothunter]

siremoon said:

oyster said:

You can elect a different government.

You can indeed. Before the year is out no doubt millions of motorists will vote for a party that loves LTNs, congestion charges, environmental charges, school streets, 20 mph speed limits and all the other anti-car stuff. Then some of those motorists will inevitably come on here and moan about LTNs, congestion charges, environmental charges, school streets, 20 mph speed limits and all the other anti-car stuff. If you like driving then be careful what you wish for.

Many of today's PH 'contributors' will inevitably come on here and applaud LTNs, congestion charges, environmental charges, school streets, 20 mph speed limits and all the other anti-car stuff.

[bigothunter]

oyster said:

They’re vandals. Criminals.

Criminals in the eyes of our surveillance society.

[mph]

DickP said:

In Lancashire some areas have had cameras put up with the publicised justification "because there may be a collision issue" rather than there actually being data of one. i.e. they are now trying to forecast where issues may arise. Sets a precedent to put them up anywhere they want to (for political reasons perhaps even?).

Maybe they've watched Tom Cruise in "The Minority Report".

I wonder if we'll start receiving points on our license before we speed.

[119]

siremoon said:

You can indeed. Before the year is out no doubt millions of motorists will vote for a party that loves LTNs, congestion charges, environmental charges, school streets, 20 mph speed limits and all the other anti-car stuff. Then some of those motorists will inevitably come on here and moan about LTNs, congestion charges, environmental charges, school streets, 20 mph speed limits and all the other anti-car stuff. If you like driving then be careful what you wish for.

Not sure how any of those can affect ones enjoyment of driving.

[bigothunter]

119 said:

siremoon said:

You can indeed. Before the year is out no doubt millions of motorists will vote for a party that loves LTNs, congestion charges, environmental charges, school streets, 20 mph speed limits and all the other anti-car stuff. Then some of those motorists will inevitably come on here and moan about LTNs, congestion charges, environmental charges, school streets, 20 mph speed limits and all the other anti-car stuff. If you like driving then be careful what you wish for.

Not sure how any of those can affect ones enjoyment of driving.

Do you enjoy driving at 20 mph? Do you enjoy restricted access? Do you enjoy paying these extra financial charges?

I don't

[heebeegeetee]

Dave Finney said:

Fascinating to see an entrenched opinion reacting against evidence.

My evidence is in line with official reports.
On the odd occasion when official reports "estimate" the effect of site-selection (RTM),
they find it might be the largest effect at camera sites (far greater than the camera effect).
And even then, when you look at the methods they use, they under-estimate the site-selection effect.
https://speedcamerareport.co.uk/official-reports/

All I did was completely remove the site-selection effect to produce the most accurate report possible.
Never been done before,
A world first!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GqOm-keyss

Entrenched opinion? Dave, you're the one repeating the same thing, post after post after post. I'm just saying you've failed to convince me.

If you say you're a world first, there might be a reason why nobody else shares your opinion.

[heebeegeetee]

bigothunter said:

119 said:

siremoon said:

You can indeed. Before the year is out no doubt millions of motorists will vote for a party that loves LTNs, congestion charges, environmental charges, school streets, 20 mph speed limits and all the other anti-car stuff. Then some of those motorists will inevitably come on here and moan about LTNs, congestion charges, environmental charges, school streets, 20 mph speed limits and all the other anti-car stuff. If you like driving then be careful what you wish for.

Not sure how any of those can affect ones enjoyment of driving.

Do you enjoy driving at 20 mph? Do you enjoy restricted access? Do you enjoy paying these extra financial charges?

I don't

I don't mind at all doing 20 mph where it's suitable (I also accept its not up to me to determine 'suitable'). I accept access has to be restricted - pedestrian zones have worked, for instance. I totally don't mind school streets. I don't mind the small environmental charges I choose to pay.

I have no desire nor am I so selfish to demand the right to drive wherever I want whenever I want.

I enjoy driving, but none of these have impacted my enjoyment whatsoever. Two things have impacted my enjoyment: 1. Us. There's far too many of us drivers. Together with the facts that UK policy restricts travel options to others, and our infrastructure being 50 years out if date, has resulted in the roads being absolutely swamped in traffic. Last week a 5 mile journey took us 45 mins, that's less than 7mph average. *None* of the things you mentioned caused that.

2. The law breaking of us drivers, of which I have played my part, particularly when I was young. fk me our lives would be easier if we just obeyed the rules.