More 'Audiophile' bullsh*t
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njw1 said:
It isn't, but if a bit of Van Damme cable is good enough for the live recording of the instrument that you're going to listen to through your hi-fi then I'm struggling to see how hundreds or even thousands of quids worth of interconnects are going to do any better?
On Van Damme, if you go through their product pages (and the same is true for Sommer and Klotz), what they say about each cable is interesting.
They give full specs.
The subjective descriptions tend to be only about handling, memory, and wear resistance. No discussion of "soundstage", nothing about any quantum effects, no mention of a cable's ability to remove invisible blankets from speakers.
Or, TLDR, no audiophile bullhonky. Just engineering.
They give full specs.
The subjective descriptions tend to be only about handling, memory, and wear resistance. No discussion of "soundstage", nothing about any quantum effects, no mention of a cable's ability to remove invisible blankets from speakers.
Or, TLDR, no audiophile bullhonky. Just engineering.
911hope said:
Deranged Rover said:
Did they demonstrate how to hoover tha carpet, with all that nonsense in place?If you're convinced that speaker cables need to be ultra-low impedance, the obvious thing to do is put the amp right next to the speaker.
Network switches are mentioned occasionally in this thread. Just for clarity, I’ve no view because they don’t feature in my life.
However.
The guy who owns the shop I use told me last year that neither he nor his employees have ever declared that they can hear a difference, let alone an improvement.
But… once the 10th potential customer had contacted them to ask which network switches they sell, they thought for the sake of the business they should begin stocking them.
So it’s not always the dealer or even the manufacturer that’s to blame. It’s probably, in this instance, the mags/forums/silly customers.
However.
The guy who owns the shop I use told me last year that neither he nor his employees have ever declared that they can hear a difference, let alone an improvement.
But… once the 10th potential customer had contacted them to ask which network switches they sell, they thought for the sake of the business they should begin stocking them.
So it’s not always the dealer or even the manufacturer that’s to blame. It’s probably, in this instance, the mags/forums/silly customers.
njw1 said:
When it comes to the silly money fancy cables it's worth remembering what's used in recording studios, do they use cables made from angel pubes and fairy dust? Nope, it'll be some relatively cheap Kelsey or Van Damme with some bog standard Neutrik plugs on the ends. I've seen mastering suites with any old crap that carries a signal plugged in...
All the cables I have are Van Damme and have been for years; they're faultless and sound as they should... I think...I've been down the Chord, Audioquest, Tellurium Q, QED avenue before with various separate systems..
I just stick with Van Damme now... TRS to XLR cables for my office system:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lead-Balanced-Van-Damme-C...
And Van Damme speaker cable with whichever banana plugs I had in for my spare room system (Arcam amp, Acoustic Energy speakers, Rega or NAD CDP and ATV into a Fiio D3 DAC for streaming):
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Van-Damme-Professional-Tw...
Can't see what more I'd need TBH
Tony1963 said:
Network switches are mentioned occasionally in this thread. Just for clarity, I’ve no view because they don’t feature in my life.
However.
The guy who owns the shop I use told me last year that neither he nor his employees have ever declared that they can hear a difference, let alone an improvement.
But… once the 10th potential customer had contacted them to ask which network switches they sell, they thought for the sake of the business they should begin stocking them.
So it’s not always the dealer or even the manufacturer that’s to blame. It’s probably, in this instance, the mags/forums/silly customers.
ISTM you do have a view, because you're implying that people shouldn't care about the quality of networking equipment?However.
The guy who owns the shop I use told me last year that neither he nor his employees have ever declared that they can hear a difference, let alone an improvement.
But… once the 10th potential customer had contacted them to ask which network switches they sell, they thought for the sake of the business they should begin stocking them.
So it’s not always the dealer or even the manufacturer that’s to blame. It’s probably, in this instance, the mags/forums/silly customers.
Netwroking equipment is commonly a source of EMI.
Pretentious HiFi equipment is not infrequently susceptible to EMI.
More so if it's got bizarre interconnections.
Spacing the speaker cables apart like in the picture up-thread reminds me of things I've seen in EMC labs, where people are looking for trouble in worst-case scenarios.
I've spent a bit of time working on EMC,(electomagnetic compatibility) we would try this sort of thing to help track down problems with equipment having a data connection:
https://emcfixshop.co.uk/products/power-over-ether...
All the best audiophile bulls
t has got a small niggling element of reality in it!Usually horribly out of context and implemented back to front at great expense though.
Toshiba got it right ages ago.
Data connections for audio should be optical!
The correct answer to "what network switch should I use for audio-visual" is "something from the Netgear M4250 range with the number of ports and Poe capacity you need".
If it can cope with routing constant non-blocking 1Gbps multicast, Dante, Qlan, Dante AV, NDX HX, Cobranet, Dante, and AES67, it can deal with Spotify or Tidal or anything an audio server can spit out.
Though to be fair, even pointlessly running 32-bit 192kHz audio only needs 12.9Mbps. Audio is statistical noise on any modern network, especially when you consider that every streaming receiver buffers before playback...
If it can cope with routing constant non-blocking 1Gbps multicast, Dante, Qlan, Dante AV, NDX HX, Cobranet, Dante, and AES67, it can deal with Spotify or Tidal or anything an audio server can spit out.
Though to be fair, even pointlessly running 32-bit 192kHz audio only needs 12.9Mbps. Audio is statistical noise on any modern network, especially when you consider that every streaming receiver buffers before playback...
Sporky said:
The correct answer to "what network switch should I use for audio-visual" is "something from the Netgear M4250 range with the number of ports and Poe capacity you need".
If it can cope with routing constant non-blocking 1Gbps multicast, Dante, Qlan, Dante AV, NDX HX, Cobranet, Dante, and AES67, it can deal with Spotify or Tidal or anything an audio server can spit out.
Though to be fair, even pointlessly running 32-bit 192kHz audio only needs 12.9Mbps. Audio is statistical noise on any modern network, especially when you consider that every streaming receiver buffers before playback...
It's not always just about fulfilling its digital functions though.If it can cope with routing constant non-blocking 1Gbps multicast, Dante, Qlan, Dante AV, NDX HX, Cobranet, Dante, and AES67, it can deal with Spotify or Tidal or anything an audio server can spit out.
Though to be fair, even pointlessly running 32-bit 192kHz audio only needs 12.9Mbps. Audio is statistical noise on any modern network, especially when you consider that every streaming receiver buffers before playback...
And does a domestic listener really need such an expensive switch?
Will they benefit from that when it's tacked on to their crappy router the ISP gave them?
The people recording the stuff that that audiophile mugs are playing did not spend £10k on any, or even all the cables they used to record it.
I use a £50 guitar cable, a few dozen neutrik microphone cables and the headphone cables that came with my Bose headphones. It’s recorded on an SSD in a Mac and moved around over off the shelf cat5 cables and a £100 switch. The cables are not laid 3.227cm off the floor supported by the bks of a lesser spotted meerkat. The power cables came with whatever they power. The “sound stage” will be as “open” as I could be arsed to make it, dependent mainly on how much ale I supped the night before. The mids etc will be right where I decided to put them, that does not make them right or wrong, they are what they are.
Therefore the best you’re going to hear is what was recorded no matter what you spend to play it back. If your ears tell you different then tell your ears to FO or get a job so they can pay for their hifi gear and leave the rest of you to enjoy your money.
I use a £50 guitar cable, a few dozen neutrik microphone cables and the headphone cables that came with my Bose headphones. It’s recorded on an SSD in a Mac and moved around over off the shelf cat5 cables and a £100 switch. The cables are not laid 3.227cm off the floor supported by the b
ks of a lesser spotted meerkat. The power cables came with whatever they power. The “sound stage” will be as “open” as I could be arsed to make it, dependent mainly on how much ale I supped the night before. The mids etc will be right where I decided to put them, that does not make them right or wrong, they are what they are. Therefore the best you’re going to hear is what was recorded no matter what you spend to play it back. If your ears tell you different then tell your ears to FO or get a job so they can pay for their hifi gear and leave the rest of you to enjoy your money.
robbiekhan said:
What they should have done is just use the same cable on every single round.....Gassing Station | Home Cinema & Hi-Fi | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff