Mr Bates vs The Post Office

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Blib

44,346 posts

199 months

Friday 26th April
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Better than any drama, ever.

'Even though you lied to court you got your bonus?'

'Yes'.

OMITN

2,222 posts

94 months

Friday 26th April
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Blib said:
Better than any drama, ever.

'Even though you lied to court you got your bonus?'

'Yes'.
That was a corker!

Boringvolvodriver

9,042 posts

45 months

Friday 26th April
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Blib said:
Better than any drama, ever.

'Even though you lied to court you got your bonus?'

'Yes'.
That in itself should be enough to prosecute her for perjury

TriumphStag3.0V8

3,899 posts

83 months

Friday 26th April
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Castrol for a knave said:
I too had a grudging admiration for the way she just faced down the questioning, though I think a lot of this is that she is lost in her own reality.
I don't. Every lie word that comes out of her mouth just makes me more and more angry.

Every one of these senior managers needs to go to jail.

If criminal convictions aren't possible, then civil cases need to be brought and these people bankrupted, just like they did to the SPMs.

Alan Bates deserves a knighthood.

Edit: I would also like to see Fujitsu management who covered things up to see jail time as well. Fujitsu should have no place in future government tenders either (the private company I work for will not deal with Fujitsu on any level))

Edited by TriumphStag3.0V8 on Friday 26th April 16:07

cookie1600

2,149 posts

163 months

Friday 26th April
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Either the key people from POL were stupid, incompetent and had/have severe memory loss, or they were/are vindictive, uncaring, conniving and egocentric. I have my view, which I will keep private, but I don't see much else in between the two sets of options..

JQ

5,780 posts

181 months

Friday 26th April
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TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Castrol for a knave said:
I too had a grudging admiration for the way she just faced down the questioning, though I think a lot of this is that she is lost in her own reality.
I don't. Every lie word that comes out of her mouth just makes me more and more angry.

Every one of these senior managers needs to go to jail.

If criminal convictions aren't possible, then civil cases need to be brought and these people bankrupted, just like they did to the SPMs.

Alan Bates deserves a knighthood.
Would have the potential to be the largest GoFundMe page in the UK!!!

Eric Mc

122,197 posts

267 months

Friday 26th April
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“That wasn’t my understanding “ is her favourite answer.
She didn’t understand much, did she?

Blib

44,346 posts

199 months

Friday 26th April
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Eric Mc said:
“That wasn’t my understanding “ is her favourite answer.
She didn’t understand much, did she?
How many answers did she begin with the word 'So'?

TriumphStag3.0V8

3,899 posts

83 months

Friday 26th April
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Eric Mc said:
“That wasn’t my understanding “ is her favourite answer.
She didn’t understand much, did she?
It's absolutely shocking!

Blib

44,346 posts

199 months

Friday 26th April
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Who's up to bat on Tuesday?

Digger

14,720 posts

193 months

Friday 26th April
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Bloke from Second Sight I think . . .

https://www.postofficehorizoninquiry.org.uk/phase-...


Correction . . .

Hugh Flemington - former Head of Legal at Post Office Ltd

Harry Bowyer - Barrister and former employee of Cartwright King Solicitors

Edited by Digger on Friday 26th April 15:48

heebeegeetee

28,912 posts

250 months

Friday 26th April
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Wills2 said:
I think some posters are confusing flat denials of the proven truth with a credible defence, it isn't.
I'm prepared to admit being begrudgingly impressed that despite the enormous time and resources of the inquiry they haven't as yet pinned a single thing on her. I kind of think if you're going to repeatedly call someone a liar you should be able to prove it.

Hey ho.

ETA: haven't seen this afternoon's transmission yet though, have had to go out.

Also, I see Jarnail Singh is on next Friday, that should be entertaining.

Also, as a result of today, I looked up the Helen Rose Report and read Nick Wallis's take on it. Incredible reading, how has this not resulted in prosecution?
https://www.postofficescandal.uk/post/post-office-...




Edited by heebeegeetee on Friday 26th April 15:56

LimmerickLad

1,077 posts

17 months

Friday 26th April
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heebeegeetee said:
Wills2 said:
I think some posters are confusing flat denials of the proven truth with a credible defence, it isn't.
I'm prepared to admit being begrudgingly impressed that despite the enormous time and resources of the inquiry they haven't as yet pinned a single thing on her. I kind of think if you're going to repeatedly call someone a liar you should be able to prove it.

Hey ho.
Not sure a jury comprising of 12 "passengers on the Clapham Omnibus" would seeit the same as you.

OMITN

2,222 posts

94 months

Friday 26th April
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LimmerickLad said:
Not sure a jury comprising of 12 "passengers on the Clapham Omnibus" would seeit the same as you.
This.

There is not going to be any smoking gun with her. And when you get close she will revert to “As I understand it to have been” “That was X’s responsibility” or a flat “No”.

In reality, if there had been a single document that sank her and the whole enterprise, we would have known about it by now.

Instead, there is a huge, Technicolor painting being made before our very eyes of people who made up the senior management of an organisation that was rotten throughout. And the less candid she is, the more this giant fresco is swallowing her up. She’s don’t nothing to persuade us that she was either an innocent bystander or that a secret cabal was running the show.

In seeking to try to bat off every ball like Geoffrey Boycott she has doing nothing to persuade the inquiry that her version of events should be more believable than the weight of evidence to the contrary.

Same for the former GCs Crichton and Aujard (though I missed their evidence). And I don’t think Vennells will be able to convince us otherwise.

Castrol for a knave

4,781 posts

93 months

Friday 26th April
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When people say they have a begrudging admiration, it's not an endorsement of her. She's odious.

It's more like the time when my mate walked into a motorway service station and walked out with 4 chairs and came back for the table, to furnish his new flat.

It's the sheer chutzpah of maintaining your innocence in the face of overwhelming evidence that you were up to your little blond bob in nefarious goings on.

Tom8

2,197 posts

156 months

Friday 26th April
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Do you think they have been advised to be so lacking in any empathy and sympathy? Almost all of them show nothing by way of feelings for what they were part of. Is that because offering sympathy would show a sense of guilt to the audience? Not sure this is a strategy I would take. They are all such awful people.

I did like the barrister haranguing her for automaton and post office corporate speak.

TriumphStag3.0V8

3,899 posts

83 months

Friday 26th April
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Tom8 said:
Do you think they have been advised to be so lacking in any empathy and sympathy? Almost all of them show nothing by way of feelings for what they were part of. Is that because offering sympathy would show a sense of guilt to the audience? Not sure this is a strategy I would take. They are all such awful people.

I did like the barrister haranguing her for automaton and post office corporate speak.
I hope they are as distressed as they made the SPMs, even if none of the cowards are showing it.

Tom8

2,197 posts

156 months

Friday 26th April
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TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Tom8 said:
Do you think they have been advised to be so lacking in any empathy and sympathy? Almost all of them show nothing by way of feelings for what they were part of. Is that because offering sympathy would show a sense of guilt to the audience? Not sure this is a strategy I would take. They are all such awful people.

I did like the barrister haranguing her for automaton and post office corporate speak.
I hope they are as distressed as they made the SPMs, even if none of the cowards are showing it.
Hopefully they get banged up then we can see some fear in them!

Bonefish Blues

27,141 posts

225 months

Friday 26th April
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Am catching up on events of the afternoon. I like Mr Moloney's style. Total mastery of the detail - way better than AVDB. That's the trouble with trying to remember and reconcile previous lies.

heebeegeetee

28,912 posts

250 months

Friday 26th April
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Watching through this afternoon - VDB's recollections of meeting Mrs O'Dell are crystal clear, in contradiction of almost all other recollections.

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She was in charge of the Helpline service, has it been established who gave the instruction that helpline operators are to instruct spms that "they're the only one"?