Eurovision 2024
Discussion
There is still a certain bravery in being openly and flamboyantly non binary/androgynous imo.
It seems like the level of aggressive hostility to lgbtq+ expression has seen an uptick over the last few years.
I don't think the problem with Olly Alexander's performance was how gay it was, it wasn't right for the show.
It seems like the level of aggressive hostility to lgbtq+ expression has seen an uptick over the last few years.
I don't think the problem with Olly Alexander's performance was how gay it was, it wasn't right for the show.
JerseyRoyal said:
There is still a certain bravery in being openly and flamboyantly non binary/androgynous imo.
It seems like the level of aggressive hostility to lgbtq+ expression has seen an uptick over the last few years.
I don't think the problem with Olly Alexander's performance was how gay it was, it wasn't right for the show.
I totally disagree. There is nothing brave in being an attention seeker. Why do you need to be flamboyant in your non binary/androgynous attitude? It seems like the level of aggressive hostility to lgbtq+ expression has seen an uptick over the last few years.
I don't think the problem with Olly Alexander's performance was how gay it was, it wasn't right for the show.
Because you want people to notice you in your otherwise uneventful life.
Be whatever you want to be in life, but you really don't need to force it onto everyone else. There really isn't any aggression anywhere to LGB. What has happened is the T+ have hijacked the LGBT+ movement in an agressive manner. For decades you could be gay or lesbian camp or not, nobody cared. Now we have men dressed as women demanding the right to use a female toilet and pretending to breastfeed and have periods. It's now a case of who can be the most outrageous to garner a reaction.
As a previous poster put it, it's nothing new, just stop trying to make it something it isn't.
JerseyRoyal said:
There is still a certain bravery in being openly and flamboyantly non binary/androgynous imo.
It seems like the level of aggressive hostility to lgbtq+ expression has seen an uptick over the last few years.
I don't think the problem with Olly Alexander's performance was how gay it was, it wasn't right for the show.
It seems like the level of aggressive hostility to lgbtq+ expression has seen an uptick over the last few years.
I don't think the problem with Olly Alexander's performance was how gay it was, it wasn't right for the show.
JerseyRoyal said:
Aye ok mate, that's exactly what we're talking about. There is no fracture between LGB and t+.
At the risk of going off topic, there absolutely is.JerseyRoyal said:
It's been entirely manufactured by groups that are majority cis and straight, the LGB element are a heavy minority.
Nope. It has been entirely manufactured by advocacy groups who saw their revenue stream coming to an end because the LGB war had pretty much been won. Legislation had been passed ensuring equality, past crimes had been pardoned and general acceptance among developed societies was the norm. Stonewall and others needed to keep the money flowing so needed a new cause - along came T and the rest is history.Anyway - plenty other threads for discussing the above.
JerseyRoyal said:
Aye ok mate, that's exactly what we're talking about. There is no fracture between LGB and t+. It's been entirely manufactured by groups that are majority cis and straight, the LGB element are a heavy minority.
Happy to disagree about the rest as it's opinion.
And what, you have posted a verifiable fact?Happy to disagree about the rest as it's opinion.
Nope it's an opinion as well.
Who were you before you were banned?
His performance was awful. He was off key and his voice was weak, whether that was him or the mixing, us largely irrelevant now.
It didn't need to be so overtly seedy. It didn't need the penis bulge cod pieces and it didn't need to look like an orgy in a public toilet.
And if you want to fly under the radar, perhaps stop being just like your banned identity?
It didn't need to be so overtly seedy. It didn't need the penis bulge cod pieces and it didn't need to look like an orgy in a public toilet.
And if you want to fly under the radar, perhaps stop being just like your banned identity?
pingu393 said:
I'm so far off with my "This is best".
I thought the best singer in the semi-finals was Czechnia - didn't get through to the final.
I thought the best performance was Austria - almost came last.
I liked the Austrian song best of all. I voted for it and was surprised it finished so low in the voting. The Norwegian song was garbage. Not surprised that it finished last. I thought the best singer in the semi-finals was Czechnia - didn't get through to the final.
I thought the best performance was Austria - almost came last.
Edited by CooperD on Monday 13th May 14:45
Jordie Barretts sock said:
His performance was awful. He was off key and his voice was weak, whether that was him or the mixing, us largely irrelevant now.
It didn't need to be so overtly seedy. It didn't need the penis bulge cod pieces and it didn't need to look like an orgy in a public toilet.
And if you want to fly under the radar, perhaps stop being just like your banned identity?
Im gonna defend Olly, that dance routine looked bloody complex, so that combined with the vocals probably left the poor guy a bit stretched, Id like see anyone else pull it off any better.It didn't need to be so overtly seedy. It didn't need the penis bulge cod pieces and it didn't need to look like an orgy in a public toilet.
And if you want to fly under the radar, perhaps stop being just like your banned identity?
If anything Spain and Finland and the winner took the gay thing a bit too far (resident homo here btw)
The winner was great, just played their song on radio 2 and it works so well as a song even outside of the performance.
Regards the winner being a 'they' fair enough, that is granted quite new and 'they' are now the first ever non binary winner.
But aside from the non binary bit, seeing a person in a skirt really isn't pushing boundaries and IMO the non binary is making a boundary anyway to be deliberately different, which there is nothing wrong with that, but its not hugely different to being a Goth.
You want to be non binary and be called a 'they', fine by me, but at the same time I don't even know what the point is.
Olly Alexander for me is similar to James Corden, in that I hate Corden but his fan base see him as 'Smithy' first, so anything he does the fanbase sees Smithy, where in real life its James Corden a loathsome cretin.
Olly the fanbase see the character he played in Its a Sin, where admittedly he was amazing and his character was brilliant, but in real life its Olly, a loathsome cretin...
Well that's my take on it.
I also guess, like with Sam Smith, its far easier to tell yourself the people that dislike or criticise you do it because your gay or they, rather than have to face its because your actually a .................unt.
Regards the winner being a 'they' fair enough, that is granted quite new and 'they' are now the first ever non binary winner.
But aside from the non binary bit, seeing a person in a skirt really isn't pushing boundaries and IMO the non binary is making a boundary anyway to be deliberately different, which there is nothing wrong with that, but its not hugely different to being a Goth.
You want to be non binary and be called a 'they', fine by me, but at the same time I don't even know what the point is.
Olly Alexander for me is similar to James Corden, in that I hate Corden but his fan base see him as 'Smithy' first, so anything he does the fanbase sees Smithy, where in real life its James Corden a loathsome cretin.
Olly the fanbase see the character he played in Its a Sin, where admittedly he was amazing and his character was brilliant, but in real life its Olly, a loathsome cretin...
Well that's my take on it.
I also guess, like with Sam Smith, its far easier to tell yourself the people that dislike or criticise you do it because your gay or they, rather than have to face its because your actually a .................unt.
CooperD said:
I liked the Austrian song best of all. I voted for it and was surprised it finished so low in the voting. The Norwegian song was garbage. Not surprised that it finished last.
A song in 2024 with 'rave' in the title and lyrics? RAVE. So so so dated it was painful to me, as she was massively fit.Edited by CooperD on Monday 13th May 14:45
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