Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister
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Are people rewriting history already? Govt spokesmen, Inc. Mel Stride said comments were 'unfortunate but not gender or race based', this is from memory, but this quickly turned to major figures like Badenoch, Hunt and inevitably Sunak saying they were racist. This caused, as anyone could foresee, lots of unrest as the usual faceless, nameless, either at the time or soon after their sacrifice, tethered goats were trotted out to defend Hester before the party followed the prevailing wind of discontent and turned vote face. Just another example of politicians being politicians, compounded by the fact that after Hester had been roundly condemned to anyone who would listen by anyone who could talk, the PM announced they'd keep his donations because, we'll, that's OK.....
biggbn said:
Are people rewriting history already? Govt spokesmen, Inc. Mel Stride said comments were 'unfortunate but not gender or race based', this is from memory, but this quickly turned to major figures like Badenoch, Hunt and inevitably Sunak saying they were racist. This caused, as anyone could foresee, lots of unrest as the usual faceless, nameless, either at the time or soon after their sacrifice, tethered goats were trotted out to defend Hester before the party followed the prevailing wind of discontent and turned vote face. Just another example of politicians being politicians, compounded by the fact that after Hester had been roundly condemned to anyone who would listen by anyone who could talk, the PM announced they'd keep his donations because, we'll, that's OK.....
Yeah but absolutely nobody said it wasn't racist except all of those people.You've got to love the revisionism sometimes.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:biggbn said:
Are people rewriting history already? Govt spokesmen, Inc. Mel Stride said comments were 'unfortunate but not gender or race based', this is from memory, but this quickly turned to major figures like Badenoch, Hunt and inevitably Sunak saying they were racist. This caused, as anyone could foresee, lots of unrest as the usual faceless, nameless, either at the time or soon after their sacrifice, tethered goats were trotted out to defend Hester before the party followed the prevailing wind of discontent and turned vote face. Just another example of politicians being politicians, compounded by the fact that after Hester had been roundly condemned to anyone who would listen by anyone who could talk, the PM announced they'd keep his donations because, we'll, that's OK.....
Yeah but absolutely nobody said it wasn't racist except all of those people.You've got to love the revisionism sometimes.
turbobloke said:
It only needs one person to perceive racism to classify as racism, that's where we are.
That would include the Prime minister then. No idea where you wish to take the argument next, Archbishop of Canterbury? Jesus? Elvis? Fairly reasonable to accept when the highest authority available & also the nexus of the story concedes Hester was racist, in order to hang on to the millions & helicopter rides obvs, it's probably a decent indication to run wth it. Unless of course you are the sort of empty vessel only too willing to set aside any form of morality in pursuit of your rosette. Those guys are an automatic discount.In other news, I dreamt that I was the leader of the Conservatives last night. I took the approach of explaining to voters that the country would be much better off if the Liberals had stayed the party of the left rather than ceding ground to Labour. The electorate saw reason and Labour won five seats, Lib Dems 100, and I got the rest.
If anyone from CCHQ is reading I'm open to replacing Levido, even at this late stage.
If anyone from CCHQ is reading I'm open to replacing Levido, even at this late stage.
Mr Penguin said:
In other news, I dreamt that I was the leader of the Conservatives last night. I took the approach of explaining to voters that the country would be much better off if the Liberals had stayed the party of the left rather than ceding ground to Labour. The electorate saw reason and Labour won five seats, Lib Dems 100, and I got the rest.
If anyone from CCHQ is reading I'm open to replacing Levido, even at this late stage.
Sunak has been hoping to wake up from his dream for many, many moons now...If anyone from CCHQ is reading I'm open to replacing Levido, even at this late stage.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:turbobloke said:
It only needs one person to perceive racism to classify as racism, that's where we are.
Do you think the comments as reported were racist?Unreal said:
Odds on Rayner resigning?
Rishi must be praying for that.
Oh look, a squirrel! Rishi must be praying for that.
If the Right Honourable Member for Stratford Upon Avon and Tory Party Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi can keep the party whip despite paying a £5m settlement with HMRC I'm pretty sure Rayner will be fine, even if she has pay back the grand total of £3000! Both innocent mistakes you see.
Unreal said:
Odds on Rayner resigning?
Rishi must be praying for that.
Pretty unlikely - she's said she'd resign if they find she's committed a criminal offence.Rishi must be praying for that.
So far, the claims seem to be :-
1. She got a discount on the council house. No offence there, she had lived in it for the required period.
2. She sold the house. No offence there, she kept it for more the minimum time (nothing in the rules required her to live there all the time).
3. Register at 2 addresses - perfectly legal according to government websites and standard practice for many MPs.
4. Didn't pay CGT on the property. If they can show it wasn't her primary residence and that there weren't sufficient improvements to offset the gain AND that she deliberately avoided tax, then she committed an offence. The latter is the most challenging part for anyone to prove - if she can show she either received bad advice or misunderstood the rules, then it's unlikely she committed an offence. That requires deliberately avoiding tax for it to be a criminal act.
5. Didn't declare rental income from her brother. If he was lodging with her, then she's probably okay under the Rent A Room Scheme. If she wasn't at the address, but he was, then this might be an offence but is going to be very hard to prove, especially if he paid cash...
6. Registered address when standing for election. This is the most likely one she may have committed, but is going to be hard to prove as her nomination papers have been shredded as per their data protection policy.
It's also time barred, so she couldn't be prosecuted anyway.
Legally, they are racist if any one person says they are. I don't really like this approach, but it is the law as it stands. The specific comments in this case were however clearly racist, and many people like me who err on the side of caution of accusing people of using racist language thought so.
That doesn't mean he is actually racist and does hate or judge all black women. We all use sloppy language from time to time and often say things mid-conversation that are in bad taste. Perhaps we are conditioned to avoid any racial comments but very few of us always express our views or personalities accurately in every sentence that we say.
Before anyone jumps on me, I had never heard of him before and all I still know about him is that he gave £10m to the Conservatives, took Rishi for a ride in his helicopter, and said some horrible things about Dianne Abbott which he apologised for.
That doesn't mean he is actually racist and does hate or judge all black women. We all use sloppy language from time to time and often say things mid-conversation that are in bad taste. Perhaps we are conditioned to avoid any racial comments but very few of us always express our views or personalities accurately in every sentence that we say.
Before anyone jumps on me, I had never heard of him before and all I still know about him is that he gave £10m to the Conservatives, took Rishi for a ride in his helicopter, and said some horrible things about Dianne Abbott which he apologised for.
rscott said:
Unreal said:
Odds on Rayner resigning?
Rishi must be praying for that.
Pretty unlikely - she's said she'd resign if they find she's committed a criminal offence.Rishi must be praying for that.
So far, the claims seem to be :-
1. She got a discount on the council house. No offence there, she had lived in it for the required period.
2. She sold the house. No offence there, she kept it for more the minimum time (nothing in the rules required her to live there all the time).
3. Register at 2 addresses - perfectly legal according to government websites and standard practice for many MPs.
4. Didn't pay CGT on the property. If they can show it wasn't her primary residence and that there weren't sufficient improvements to offset the gain AND that she deliberately avoided tax, then she committed an offence. The latter is the most challenging part for anyone to prove - if she can show she either received bad advice or misunderstood the rules, then it's unlikely she committed an offence. That requires deliberately avoiding tax for it to be a criminal act.
5. Didn't declare rental income from her brother. If he was lodging with her, then she's probably okay under the Rent A Room Scheme. If she wasn't at the address, but he was, then this might be an offence but is going to be very hard to prove, especially if he paid cash...
6. Registered address when standing for election. This is the most likely one she may have committed, but is going to be hard to prove as her nomination papers have been shredded as per their data protection policy.
It's also time barred, so she couldn't be prosecuted anyway.
Mr Penguin said:
Legally, they are racist if any one person says they are. I don't really like this approach, but it is the law as it stands. The specific comments in this case were however clearly racist, and many people like me who err on the side of caution of accusing people of using racist language thought so.
That doesn't mean he is actually racist and does hate or judge all black women. We all use sloppy language from time to time and often say things mid-conversation that are in bad taste. Perhaps we are conditioned to avoid any racial comments but very few of us always express our views or personalities accurately in every sentence that we say.
Before anyone jumps on me, I had never heard of him before and all I still know about him is that he gave £10m to the Conservatives, took Rishi for a ride in his helicopter, and said some horrible things about Dianne Abbott which he apologised for.
It's the double standards that really get me. If this was some 'chav' (word used to illustrated my point, hence the inverted commas), some labour supporter who had made the comments about a Tory MP or almost anyone who does not fit the white, privilege Tory stereotype, this place would have melted down. I really can't see many/anyone springing to defend, say a secondary school pupil who said it about a teacher and made the news? It's double standards pure and simple. I work in a school and implement restorative practices daily, but that doesn't mean just saying sorry and everything goes away. It really doesn't work like that. That doesn't mean he is actually racist and does hate or judge all black women. We all use sloppy language from time to time and often say things mid-conversation that are in bad taste. Perhaps we are conditioned to avoid any racial comments but very few of us always express our views or personalities accurately in every sentence that we say.
Before anyone jumps on me, I had never heard of him before and all I still know about him is that he gave £10m to the Conservatives, took Rishi for a ride in his helicopter, and said some horrible things about Dianne Abbott which he apologised for.
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