Israel invaded

[JJJ.]

Mrr T said:

I do highlight certain posters hatred of Israel which often seems to extend into making claims which carry no credibility and at times are outright lies.

Hatred, claims without credibility and lies. Yep, that's the Israeli's for you.

[djc206]

Mrr T said:

You can talk about Sudan but it seems some people only want to talk about Gaza.

You obviously do not read my posts. I do not defend the IDF but I do point out the rules of war to those who do not seem to know them. It is possible the IDF has committed war crimes but at the moment we have no evidence.

I try to avoid accusations of antisemitism but I do highlight certain posters hatred of Israel which often seems to extend into making claims which carry no credibility and at times are outright lies.

We haven’t seen concrete proof, there is evidence. The BBC investigated the young lad in the West Bank being killed, read their investigation and it’s hard to conclude his death was anything other than an IDF war crime. For what it’s worth Hamas launching rockets indiscriminately into Israeli territory is also a war crime. It’s a war, they’re dirty and they’re bloody, if there hadn’t been any war crimes committed by at least some element of the IDF by now it would be a miracle.

[James6112]

JJJ. said:

Mrr T said:

I do highlight certain posters hatred of Israel which often seems to extend into making claims which carry no credibility and at times are outright lies.

Hatred, claims without credibility and lies. Yep, that's the Israeli's for you.

Not smart, not funny.

[Mrr T]

JJJ. said:

Mrr T said:

I do highlight certain posters hatred of Israel which often seems to extend into making claims which carry no credibility and at times are outright lies.

Hatred, claims without credibility and lies. Yep, that's the Israeli's for you.

Says a poster with zero credibility.

[skyrover]

JJJ. said:

Mrr T said:

I do highlight certain posters hatred of Israel which often seems to extend into making claims which carry no credibility and at times are outright lies.

Hatred, claims without credibility and lies. Yep, that's internationally recognised terrorist organisation Hamas for you.

EFA

[Solocle]

James6112 said:

Not smart, not funny.

Just substitute the nationality Israeli for the nationality Pakistani and see how that reads...

Not very Kosher, is it?

[fizz47]

Two years today since Shireen Abu Akleh was assassinated..

Just like now the IDF followed the same old track of lies an
obfuscation..

1)it didn’t happen
2) it did happen but it wasn’t us
3) it did happen but the Palestinians did it themselves
4) it did happen but we will pretend it didn’t
5) it did happen but you forced us to do it
5) it did happen but it was an accident
6) we will investigate but if you bring it up then you are a Hamas supporter or anti- Semitic


Two years on and no one held accountable and IDF continues this pattern of lies and failure to back up their claims all the while thinking that they are above the law and rules don’t apply to them.

[Oliver Hardy]

UN member nations vote to back Palestinian membership to the UN.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-gener...

[fido]

fizz47 said:

Two years on and no one held accountable and IDF continues this pattern of lies and failure to back up their claims all the while thinking that they are above the law and rules don’t apply to them.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/11/middleeast/idf-apology-shireen-abu-akleh-intl/index.html

"The Israel Defense Forces has apologized for the death of Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh, a year to the day after she was killed by a bullet to the back of the head while covering an Israeli military operation in Jenin in the occupied West Bank."

[Puddenchucker]

fizz47 said:

Two years today since Shireen Abu Akleh was assassinated..

Just like now the IDF followed the same old track of lies an
obfuscation..

1)it didn’t happen
2) it did happen but it wasn’t us
3) it did happen but the Palestinians did it themselves
4) it did happen but we will pretend it didn’t
5) it did happen but you forced us to do it
5) it did happen but it was an accident
6) we will investigate but if you bring it up then you are a Hamas supporter or anti- Semitic


Two years on and no one held accountable and IDF continues this pattern of lies and failure to back up their claims all the while thinking that they are above the law and rules don’t apply to them.

Did Hamas ever acknowledge responsibility or apologise for the mis-firing rocket that hit the al-Ahli Arab Hospital on 17-October?

The point I'm making is both sides will deny or try to shift blame for incidents that they would have rather not committed and/or went wrong.

[fizz47]

fido said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/11/middleeast/idf-...

"The Israel Defense Forces has apologized for the death of Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh, a year to the day after she was killed by a bullet to the back of the head while covering an Israeli military operation in Jenin in the occupied West Bank."

Sorry but an apology for murdering someone is not holding someone accountable…

[The Three D Mucketeer]

Hamas murdered 1.139 victims on the 7th October .Why doesn't Hamas release the hostages ? Why doesn't the justiciary in Palestine compel Hamas to release the hostages ? Because the people of Palestine have elected a Government without Law and Order .... Sorry

Edited by The Three D Mucketeer on Saturday 11th May 15:33

[Dagnir]

The Three D Mucketeer said:

Hezbollah murdered 1.139 victims on the 7th October .Why doesn't Hezbollah release the hostages ? Why doesn't the justiciary in Palestine compel Hezbollah to release the hostages ? Because the people of Palestine have elected a Government without Law and Order .... Sorry

JJJ will be along with some more propaganda to deflect from this soon...

Has anyone seen him condemn Hamas or their Palestinian supporters yet?

[Oliver Hardy]

fizz47 said:

fido said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/11/middleeast/idf-...

"The Israel Defense Forces has apologized for the death of Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh, a year to the day after she was killed by a bullet to the back of the head while covering an Israeli military operation in Jenin in the occupied West Bank."

Sorry but an apology for murdering someone is not holding someone accountable…

Is there any proof she was murdered?

Are you just as outraged at Iran for example targeting Journalists or any other country, or is it because she died in an operation involving Israelis?

[Carl_VivaEspana]

The Three D Mucketeer said:

Hamas murdered 1.139 victims on the 7th October .Why doesn't Hamas release the hostages ? Why doesn't the justiciary in Palestine compel Hamas to release the hostages ? Because the people of Palestine have elected a Government without Law and Order .... Sorry

As we are on page 666 have a free upvote.

[djc206]

Oliver Hardy said:

Is there any proof she was murdered?

Are you just as outraged at Iran for example targeting Journalists or any other country, or is it because she died in an operation involving Israelis?

Oh look a squirrel.

The actions of Iran are not relevant to a conversation about the IDF killing journalists and not holding their members to account. Yes the Iranian regime is awful and they murder not just journalists but their own civilians for trivial things like not wearing headscarves but that doesn’t excuse the actions of the IDF so why even bring it up?

It’s this sort of silly defence of the IDF who in this case have failed to adequately prosecute one of their members for an unlawful and unjustified killing that attract the ire of others. Why bother trying to obfuscate? The IDF by virtue of its size and the extent of the actions it’s currently engaged in is bound to have a few bad apples, those bad apples will do bad things, why defend those actions? Why not condemn them as any right thinking human would?

[JJJ.]

Dagnir said:

Has anyone seen him condemn Hamas or their Palestinian supporters yet?

How considerate of you to think of me!

I've never condemned any Palestinians, never will or it's very unlikely to happen, just couldn't image condemning the oppressed (putting it mildly). As for Hamas, difficult one, not my idea of freedom fighters and being backed by Iran certainly doesn't help their case in my eyes. But, and I feel this is important without Hamas the plight of the Palestinians would not be a major international issue as it is today and the massive condemnation of Israel for obvious reasons would not have occured. So, in my opinion the Hamas attack on Oct7 may benefit the Palestinians long term, the way things are going hopefully it won't be too long.
The World's eyes are firmly fixed on the Palestinian situation and how Israel has reacted and will react going forward. Importantly the Israeli government is under massive pressure from within and externally, hopefully this bodes well for the Palestinians.
The interesting thing is what happens if peace does occur (yep, getting ahead of myself), a two state solution actually does happen, Hamas no longer exists who are you the Israeli's going to have as a bogeyman? Hamas existence suits the Israeli's, after they factilated Hamas and particularly suited big bks Bibi and his government.

Edited by JJJ. on Saturday 11th May 17:56

[Dagnir]

JJJ. said:

How considerate of you think of me!

I've never condemned any Palestinians, never will or it's very unlikely to happen, just couldn't image condemning the oppressed. As for Hamas, difficult one, not my idea of freedom fighters and being backed by Iran certainly doesn't help their case. But, and I feel this is important without Hamas the plight of the Palestinians would not be a major international issue as it is today and the massive condemnation of Israel for obvious reasons would not have occured. So, inm
The World's eyes are firmly fixed on the Palestinian situation and how Israel has reacted and will react going forward.

You find it tricky to condemn a murderous, Islamic terrorist group?

And no condemnation of the Palestinians that support them?







I'm stunned....stunned I tell thee......no.....REALLY.


Not that it wasn't already obvious but at least you've finally shown your true colours, I suppose.

[Oliver Hardy]

djc206 said:

Oliver Hardy said:

Is there any proof she was murdered?

Are you just as outraged at Iran for example targeting Journalists or any other country, or is it because she died in an operation involving Israelis?

Oh look a squirrel.

The actions of Iran are not relevant to a conversation about the IDF killing journalists and not holding their members to account. Yes the Iranian regime is awful and they murder not just journalists but their own civilians for trivial things like not wearing headscarves but that doesn’t excuse the actions of the IDF so why even bring it up?

It’s this sort of silly defence of the IDF who in this case have failed to adequately prosecute one of their members for an unlawful and unjustified killing that attract the ire of others. Why bother trying to obfuscate? The IDF by virtue of its size and the extent of the actions it’s currently engaged in is bound to have a few bad apples, those bad apples will do bad things, why defend those actions? Why not condemn them as any right thinking human would?

Is there any proof IDF murdered her, journalists do die in war zones.

It is relevant that these outraged at Israel are not bothered when it comes to other non western leaning nations carrying out atrocities, that is why what Iran does is not relevant in your mind.

[JJJ.]

Dagnir said:

JJJ. said:

How considerate of you think of me!

I've never condemned any Palestinians, never will or it's very unlikely to happen, just couldn't image condemning the oppressed. As for Hamas, difficult one, not my idea of freedom fighters and being backed by Iran certainly doesn't help their case. But, and I feel this is important without Hamas the plight of the Palestinians would not be a major international issue as it is today and the massive condemnation of Israel for obvious reasons would not have occured. So, inm
The World's eyes are firmly fixed on the Palestinian situation and how Israel has reacted and will react going forward.

You find it tricky to condemn a murderous, Islamic terrorist group?

And no condemnation of the Palestinians that support them?







I'm stunned....stunned I tell thee......no.....REALLY.


Not that it wasn't already obvious but at least you've finally shown your true colours, I suppose.

Honestly, I don't even think a stun gun would have any effect on you, you're stunned because I gave an honest and balanced reply which obviously is well over your head! Well, no it probably isn't, it's just that you're so blinkered and bias you're simply unwilling to look at the whole situation in its entirety. Just viewing everything from an Israeli perspective which is the real problem when it comes to the Palestinians and their enforced situation for decades. It's a perspective that's totally dishonest in every sense of the word, but as I said already the spotlight is firmly fixed on Israel now, the dishonesty and the murderous actions are plain for all to see and it ain't going down well. Then of course having to deal with the likes of myself who has no skin in the game really does unsettle the likes of you.

Oh, yeah sorry didn't answer you question on Palestinian support for Hamas. No, I can't blame them for supporting Hamas (a most natural reaction), as everyday goes by with more indiscriminate attacks on Gaza and the West Bank by Israel it's automatic recruitment for Hamas or any group that will fight back at Israel.

Edited by JJJ. on Saturday 11th May 18:33