Eurovision

[scenario8]

It certainly sounds “a bit messy”;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-6899...

[21TonyK]

ChocolateFrog said:

The only reason it used to be relevant in the UK from what I remember was because Wogan used to mercilessly take the piss and he was genuinely funny.

Agreed.

[MikeM6]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

So why are they making Israel out to be the bad guys?

Hamas invaded Israel on Oct 7th last year and slaughtered innocent citizens. Prior to Oct 7th they'd fired 2500 rockets into Israel.

If they hadn't poked the tiger, it wouldn't be a problem.

There are separate threads dealing with the atrocities commited by both sides elsewhere, no need to bring it here too.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

FFS! This is NP+E. We are discussing the P surrounding Eurovision.

Where else would you like to discuss it?

[Silvanus]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

FFS! This is NP+E. We are discussing the P surrounding Eurovision.

Where else would you like to discuss it?

Yes, but much better to go to the dedicated thread if you want to discuss the specifics. Otherwise this thread will descend into another Israeli/Gaza thread.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

Specifics of what? I was answering a question.

What would you like to discuss here then? Because I find it absurd that a mass of LGBT+ are such anti semites. When they themselves supposedly preach tolerance.

Anyway. Back to tonight. It definitely isn't going to go without a protest/hitch/something political happening is it?

[Mojooo]

Israel unlikely to come last - people voting in from the USA.

Be interesting if Israel were to win.

[Silvanus]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Specifics of what? I was answering a question.

What would you like to discuss here then? Because I find it absurd that a mass of LGBT+ are such anti semites. When they themselves supposedly preach tolerance.

Anyway. Back to tonight. It definitely isn't going to go without a protest/hitch/something political happening is it?

You can be anti the Israeli response in Gaza and not being antisemitic.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

That is true, but not in this case I feel.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Randy Winkman said:

I dont see there's a problem with gay people not wanting bombs to be dropped on any country whatever their culture. Are LBGT rights more important than bombing?

I think the point he's making is if there's a war between one group who wants you dead and another group that don't, it does seem a bit odd to support the side that wants you dead.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

Correct. Thank you Twig.

[Randy Winkman]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Correct. Thank you Twig.

"Correct"? I still dont get it as they are 2 separate issues.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

As in Twig's summation was entirely correct in what I was saying.

[Biker 1]

The contest was always a bit of a freak show, but it seems to have got really weird recently. Were there any non, non-binary, LGBTQXYZ+/- participants?
Quite telling that Israel is part of the show, even though it's not in Europe. I'm guessing a middle east version would involve 'modest clothing', limited dance routines & certainly zero inclusion of the likes of Bambie Thug et al!

[MikeM6]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Randy Winkman said:

I dont see there's a problem with gay people not wanting bombs to be dropped on any country whatever their culture. Are LBGT rights more important than bombing?

I think the point he's making is if there's a war between one group who wants you dead and another group that don't, it does seem a bit odd to support the side that wants you dead.

Not sure they would see it that way, as they may view it as a three sided situation:
Hamas committing atrocities, Israel military committing atrocities, Palestinian population suffering because both of the actions of the other two. I suspect that those protesting against Israel are mostly in support of the people of Palestine rather than Hamas.

[Matthen]

Mojooo said:

Israel unlikely to come last - people voting in from the USA.

Be interesting if Israel were to win.

UK public vote gave them 12: Whether that is political, who can say.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

MikeM6 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Randy Winkman said:

I dont see there's a problem with gay people not wanting bombs to be dropped on any country whatever their culture. Are LBGT rights more important than bombing?

I think the point he's making is if there's a war between one group who wants you dead and another group that don't, it does seem a bit odd to support the side that wants you dead.

Not sure they would see it that way, as they may view it as a three sided situation:
Hamas committing atrocities, Israel military committing atrocities, Palestinian population suffering because both of the actions of the other two. I suspect that those protesting against Israel are mostly in support of the people of Palestine rather than Hamas.

Well why aren't they protesting against Hamas, or the IDF & Hamas? I don't see any banners saying "STOP HAMAS AND THE IDF" or hear chants calling for a Hamas ceasefire, or the release of the hostages?

[Dingu]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

That is true, but not in this case I feel.

Only because it’s convenient for you to make your pathetic little point.

[MikeM6]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

MikeM6 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Randy Winkman said:

I dont see there's a problem with gay people not wanting bombs to be dropped on any country whatever their culture. Are LBGT rights more important than bombing?

I think the point he's making is if there's a war between one group who wants you dead and another group that don't, it does seem a bit odd to support the side that wants you dead.

Not sure they would see it that way, as they may view it as a three sided situation:
Hamas committing atrocities, Israel military committing atrocities, Palestinian population suffering because both of the actions of the other two. I suspect that those protesting against Israel are mostly in support of the people of Palestine rather than Hamas.

Well why aren't they protesting against Hamas, or the IDF & Hamas? I don't see any banners saying "STOP HAMAS AND THE IDF" or hear chants calling for a Hamas ceasefire, or the release of the hostages?

You would have to ask them, but I suspect they are (rightly) appalled at what has happened to civilians in the region and are reacting to this, rather than taking on a comprehensive and balanced view of the situation within the confines of their protestations. Then again, if Iran or Hamas itself tried to enter into the Eurovision song contest, I suspect they may also face a high level of criticism aimed at them.

Protesting for an end to what one side is doing is not an automatic endorsement of the other side, but yes, ideally everyone should really say that the whole region needs to pack it in.

[Mojooo]

Matthen said:

Mojooo said:

Israel unlikely to come last - people voting in from the USA.

Be interesting if Israel were to win.

UK public vote gave them 12: Whether that is political, who can say.

Of course it is

I haven't watched EV for almost 23 years so so, so I wasn't sure how the scoring works in terms of votes - last time I watched I think it was all phone votes - but I can't be sure.

Both Ukraine and Israel got sympathy votes from the public and I think Ukraine would have won had the Juries not given Switzerland so many points.