Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12

[sherman]

biggbn said:

A.J.M said:

The talk of Scot’s language reminded me of the poem from the baby box we got last October.

Is this the caricature of “Scot’s” she’s trying to mimic?
As it’s utter cringe gibberish.

Does anyone on here speak like this in real life?

I hear almost every one of those words if not daily then weekly, but used in conversation. But christ, that poem, whilst not gibberish...you can understand it after all, is appalling, isn't it? And yes, cringeworthy

If you spoke like that in Edinburgh you would definetly be regarded as a Ned.

[alangla]

Front page of today’s Herald https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c72pg9geezko
Jack McConnell saying “I felt that we had to create a Scottish Parliament to take control of our education system and then drive it to be world class again”

That went well…

Anyway, hasn’t education always been a responsibility of the Scottish Office and not something (practically) dealt with by Westminster?

[Ian974]

sherman said:

biggbn said:

A.J.M said:

The talk of Scot’s language reminded me of the poem from the baby box we got last October.

Is this the caricature of “Scot’s” she’s trying to mimic?
As it’s utter cringe gibberish.

Does anyone on here speak like this in real life?

I hear almost every one of those words if not daily then weekly, but used in conversation. But christ, that poem, whilst not gibberish...you can understand it after all, is appalling, isn't it? And yes, cringeworthy

If you spoke like that in Edinburgh you would definetly be regarded as a Ned.

How many different versions of "one" do you need to include in a single two verse poem?

[Olivera]

Good article from Brian Wilson bemoaning the list system, amongst other issues:



Meanwhile the presiding officer is in the news campaigning for *more* MSPs.

[Klippie]

Just listen to this impudent child giving pelters to Kate Forbes...who apart from being SNP seems to be a perfectly sane normal woman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x7-Hsz0yKM&t=...

The last time I checked the Greens and their LGTVBBC+ lot were 2.9% of the population, it really boils my pish when they have the gall to think they should get a say in anything, a tiny minority who are borderline mental cases and should be sectioned as clearly they are suffering from personality disorders.

[Drawweight]

Klippie said:

Just listen to this impudent child giving pelters to Kate Forbes...who apart from being SNP seems to be a perfectly sane normal woman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x7-Hsz0yKM&t=...

The last time I checked the Greens and their LGTVBBC+ lot were 2.9% of the population, it really boils my pish when they have the gall to think they should get a say in anything, a tiny minority who are borderline mental cases and should be sectioned as clearly they are suffering from personality disorders.

I had a quick look on Wikipedia and the percentage of LGBT members of Holyrood was approx 15%.

[shtu]

Klippie said:

The last time I checked the Greens and their LGTVBBC+ lot were 2.9% of the population, it really boils my pish when they have the gall to think they should get a say in anything, a tiny minority who are borderline mental cases and should be sectioned as clearly they are suffering from personality disorders.

"A say" I'm fine with.

"Total control of the political agenda thanks to one party's weakness and cowardice" is a quite different thing, which I absolutely don't agree with.

[irc]

Who knew? The green transition is bullst. It is just making us poorer.

"The oil and gas industry in Scotland has shed nearly 40% of its jobs amounting to 50,000 in Scotland over a decade, according to industry figures - while the number gained from low carbon enterprises has risen by just 2,500."

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24313134.anger...

[irc]

Briffa taking Scotgov to court for DRS losses. Loopy Lorna blamed for giving assurances.

"According to the Sunday Mail, Biffa relied on personal assurances from Ms Slater as a reason to invest £55million in vehicles and equipment to prepare for the DRS. "

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24314329.slate...

Edited by irc on Sunday 12th May 14:54

[Garvin]

irc said:

Briffa taking Scotgov to court for DRS losses. Making loopy Lorna blamed for giving assurances.

"According to the Sunday Mail, Biffa relied on personal assurances from Ms Slater as a reason to invest £55million in vehicles and equipment to prepare for the DRS. "

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24314329.slate...

I can’t feel much sympathy for Biffa. Taking the ‘personal assurances’ of Slater for a clearly bonkers scheme is rather a poor business judgement if you ask me. However, I do hope these ‘personal assurances’ were in writing otherwise Biffa may struggle in court to get any money back.

[irc]

Garvin said:

irc said:

Briffa taking Scotgov to court for DRS losses. Making loopy Lorna blamed for giving assurances.

"According to the Sunday Mail, Biffa relied on personal assurances from Ms Slater as a reason to invest £55million in vehicles and equipment to prepare for the DRS. "

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24314329.slate...

I can’t feel much sympathy for Biffa. Taking the ‘personal assurances’ of Slater for a clearly bonkers scheme is rather a poor business judgement if you ask me. However, I do hope these ‘personal assurances’ were in writing otherwise Biffa may struggle in court to get any money back.

Looks like they were in writing. From the Sunday Mail


"A source said Biffa agreed to the contract “on the written assurances of Lorna Slater about the deliverability of the scheme, and the Scottish Government’s commitment to doing it”."

Usual story of hard headed businesses running rings round incompetent SNP govt .

[csd19]

irc said:

Garvin said:

irc said:

Briffa taking Scotgov to court for DRS losses. Making loopy Lorna blamed for giving assurances.

"According to the Sunday Mail, Biffa relied on personal assurances from Ms Slater as a reason to invest £55million in vehicles and equipment to prepare for the DRS. "

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24314329.slate...

I can’t feel much sympathy for Biffa. Taking the ‘personal assurances’ of Slater for a clearly bonkers scheme is rather a poor business judgement if you ask me. However, I do hope these ‘personal assurances’ were in writing otherwise Biffa may struggle in court to get any money back.

Looks like they were in writing. From the Sunday Mail


"A source said Biffa agreed to the contract “on the written assurances of Lorna Slater about the deliverability of the scheme, and the Scottish Government’s commitment to doing it”."

Usual story of hard headed businesses running rings round incompetent SNP govt .

Tbh 4 determined toddlers armed with fresh crayons could do that.

[hidetheelephants]

alangla said:

Front page of today’s Herald https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c72pg9geezko
Jack McConnell saying “I felt that we had to create a Scottish Parliament to take control of our education system and then drive it to be world class again”

That went well…

Anyway, hasn’t education always been a responsibility of the Scottish Office and not something (practically) dealt with by Westminster?

Education faired reasonably well under the LibLabs, no promises of jam tomorrow but neither did they fk everything up.

Olivera said:

Good article from Brian Wilson bemoaning the list system, amongst other issues:



Meanwhile the presiding officer is in the news campaigning for *more* MSPs.

Agree with most of that, the headline is wildly misleading though. The list system places huge power in the hands of the parties, creating patronage and corruption. Something like the australian system would put the voter in charge, not Buggins' turn. Holyrood has wrecked local govt as comprehensively as Westminster has, loading them up with statutory duties like a governmental Buckaroo while reducing their budgets, then acting surprised when they start falling over.

[irc]

"Anyway, hasn’t education always been a responsibility of the Scottish Office and not something (practically) dealt with by Westminster?"

Indeed. The perceived issue "sorted" by devolution being that Scotland could vote Labour but get a Tory Scottish Secretary.

Being run by a Scottish Secretary didn't stop pre devo Scotland upgrading the A9 entirely from Perth to Inverness in less time than the SNP have upgtaded 11 miles. Or building a Forth Crossing which could cope with existing traffic levels. Or upgrading the A74 to motorway status. Not sure health, education, or anything else have improved due to devolution. Anyone?

[irc]

Fergus Ewing asks why Loopy Lorna was put in charge of the DRS scheme.

""One must, however, also ask why a newbie MSP with no ministerial experience was placed in charge of a hellishly complex scheme with an estimated total cost over 25 years of £1.817m "Would any private sector business ever have put a trainee manager in charge of a billion-pound project?"

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24314799.taxpa...

The Herald confirms the Biffa action for £55m costs plus loss of profits claim has been lodged at the Court of Session. Other companies will be watching this.

It would seem Fergus Ewing was correct when he lacked confidence in Lorna.

"The MSP for Inverness and Nairn - who was suspended by the SNP after voting against Ms Slater in a confidence motion last year"

Since when was being correct any barrier to the SNP bulldozing over any objection you make though?

[irc]

Business versus SNP govt.

" Circularity Scotland was handed a £9 million loan from SNIB in May 2022, helping to lever in another £9 million from the Bank of Scotland.

It is understood that the Bank of Scotland did not lose its funding because it waited for legislation to be finalised before parting company with the money. "

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/23892450.state...

[Leithen]

More evidence of the lunatics running the asylum.

Has there been a study identifying the savings to the taxpayer if the Scottish Parliament were to be abolished?

Universal credit would take a hit, but other than that.

[sherman]

Branchform is coming.

Will it just be Murrell to take the wrap or will others fall too

BBC News - Police report on SNP finances probe due 'within weeks' - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3ge510llypo

[NRS]

irc said:

Who knew? The green transition is bullst. It is just making us poorer.

"The oil and gas industry in Scotland has shed nearly 40% of its jobs amounting to 50,000 in Scotland over a decade, according to industry figures - while the number gained from low carbon enterprises has risen by just 2,500."

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24313134.anger...

North Sea is on a big decline anyway due to a lack of commercial O&G to be found/developed. It's not just the Green Transition. Norway's kroner has been smashed recently partly due to the O&G starting to drop off and it likely impacting their economy long term, and Norway has more remaining O&G than us. A lot of BIg Oil is abandoning both Norway and the UK and leaving it to smaller companies who are happy with smaller profits/more risk.

Also that decade period mentioned starts from the time of extremely high oil prices when the industry was unsustainable and collapsed just after (worldwide) to now when it is a lot more balanced. So it's pretty misleading compared to the normal.

[irc]

NRS said:

irc said:

Who knew? The green transition is bullst. It is just making us poorer.

"The oil and gas industry in Scotland has shed nearly 40% of its jobs amounting to 50,000 in Scotland over a decade, according to industry figures - while the number gained from low carbon enterprises has risen by just 2,500."

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24313134.anger...

North Sea is on a big decline anyway due to a lack of commercial O&G to be found/developed. It's not just the Green Transition. Norway's kroner has been smashed recently partly due to the O&G starting to drop off and it likely impacting their economy long term, and Norway has more remaining O&G than us. A lot of BIg Oil is abandoning both Norway and the UK and leaving it to smaller companies who are happy with smaller profits/more risk.

Also that decade period mentioned starts from the time of extremely high oil prices when the industry was unsustainable and collapsed just after (worldwide) to now when it is a lot more balanced. So it's pretty misleading compared to the normal.

I agree North Sea oil and gas is on a long term decline as reserves are depleted. That doesn't mean that the SNP need to actively discourage new exploration and extraction to extend it as long as possible though. We are going to use oil and gas for decades to come. The more we produce ourselves the better.

Likewise fracking. A game changer in the USA. Would it have been econimical in Scotland? Who knows. The benefit of trying would have been that unlike wind and solar it wouldn't have depended on being subsidied. Either private companies made it work and we all benefited or it disn't work and the cost was to shareholders.

This sort of thing.

"Nicola Sturgeon has written to the prime minister to urge him to reassess the development of a new North Atlantic oil field west of Shetland.

The first minister said proposals for the Cambo field should be re-examined over "the severity of the climate emergency"."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58186181

Oil companies can invest anywhere in the world. Why come to a place the govt doesn't want them?

Edited by irc on Monday 13th May 09:17