CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)
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jameswills said:
g4ry13 said:
You have to start to think that all of this was a massive test to see what stupid crap they could make the public believe and do.Possibly the dumbest time in human history?
jameswills said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
I bet they can't believe the results if that's the case!
Possibly the dumbest time in human history?
It’s up there, definitely one of the most bizarre I’ve witnessed. I’m sure this will be just the tip of what is to come though unfortunately!Possibly the dumbest time in human history?
Rollin said:
jameswills said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
I bet they can't believe the results if that's the case!
Possibly the dumbest time in human history?
It’s up there, definitely one of the most bizarre I’ve witnessed. I’m sure this will be just the tip of what is to come though unfortunately!Possibly the dumbest time in human history?
I believe we win a prize?
Elysium said:
It's weirdly ironic that you claim all of the ONS data is fake, except for the excess death numbers they published using their previous methodology. It's an almost perfect example of confirmation bias.
I don't believe any official government / NGO data anymore, especially not since the last 4+ years have shown us on countless occasions that the data does not stand up to scrutiny and also bears little correlation to what's actually happening on the street. The only reason they move the goal-posts for how they measure the data is when the numbers no longer fit within the acceptable tolerances for whatever narrative they want us to believe, otherwise why move them at all? This was plain to see with the swift move of the goal-posts when significant numbers were dying within a week after receiving their jab. Can't be having that so change it so that the ONS records them as unvaccinated
and file them under "died from covid virus" instead which will nicely keep The Deadly Virus narrative running at full chat. Nohing to see here folks, move along now.... This fact has been regularly highlighted here for years, yet you continue to ignore this very obvious fraud and deception and keep trotting out your "bUt mUh oNs dAtA sAyS tHiS aNd tHeY aRe gOvErNmEnT sO dEfInItElY lEgIT !" like a good little government bot program. I begin to wonder if you've actually been outside your house in the last 3 years and taken a look around to see that nothing actually changed on the street beyond the pointless mask and perspex screen kabuki, yet you are adamant that there was a very serious deadly virus and the vaccines saved "millions" of lives, because the ONS says so
. Looks like a strong case of confirmation bias to me, especially considering you have had your jabs.If there was some way of actually proving it I would be willing to bet a very substantial sum that if we had collectively done absolutely nothing different to the years pre-2020 then nobody would have noticed anything. The same number of frail/elderly would have died from 'flu just like they do every year and there'd be the usual seasonal colds of varying severity amongst the population, but all those who are no longer with us since receiving their magic juice jabs would still be here and those severely damaged from (likely) the jabs (like Andy above) would still be in good health. I don't believe the "vaccines" have saved anyone at all but rather did the exact opposite.
Regarding the official excess death count, I don't believe that either and if the truth were ever to come out it would be found that the actual numbers are far higher than what they state. The anecdata and vaxx damage stories are growing each day and now some are appearing in the mainstream tabloids. Soon that big elephant in the room will need to be acknowledged and confronted, and that time is rapidly approaching.
Meanwhile let's just continue to put it all down to government incompetence and NHS appointment delays..........
r3g said:
Elysium said:
It's weirdly ironic that you claim all of the ONS data is fake, except for the excess death numbers they published using their previous methodology. It's an almost perfect example of confirmation bias.
I don't believe any official government / NGO data anymore, especially not since the last 4+ years have shown us on countless occasions that the data does not stand up to scrutiny and also bears little correlation to what's actually happening on the street. The only reason they move the goal-posts for how they measure the data is when the numbers no longer fit within the acceptable tolerances for whatever narrative they want us to believe, otherwise why move them at all? This was plain to see with the swift move of the goal-posts when significant numbers were dying within a week after receiving their jab. Can't be having that so change it so that the ONS records them as unvaccinated and file them under "died from covid virus" instead which will nicely keep The Deadly Virus narrative running at full chat. Nohing to see here folks, move along now.... However, it suits your preconceptions to believe that this bit of the data was somehow correct and that the revised methodology has been implemented to hide it.
As I said, this is an almost perfect example of confirmation bias. Your position is completely ridiculous.
r3g said:
This fact has been regularly highlighted here for years, yet you continue to ignore this very obvious fraud and deception and keep trotting out your "bUt mUh oNs dAtA sAyS tHiS aNd tHeY aRe gOvErNmEnT sO dEfInItElY lEgIT !" like a good little government bot program. I begin to wonder if you've actually been outside your house in the last 3 years and taken a look around to see that nothing actually changed on the street beyond the pointless mask and perspex screen kabuki, yet you are adamant that there was a very serious deadly virus and the vaccines saved "millions" of lives, because the ONS says so . Looks like a strong case of confirmation bias to me, especially considering you have had your jabs.
You are either not reading my posts or failing to understand them, because this does not bear the slightest resemblence to anything I have said. . Looks like a strong case of confirmation bias to me, especially considering you have had your jabs.The reason we did not see the severity of the virus is that, for most of us it was not severe. The risk was concentrated in the old and the vulnerable.
Elysium said:
If you are going to reject the data, then you should also reject the excess deaths data that used the old methodology.
I just have done if you bother to read what I've written! Elysium said:
However, it suits your preconceptions to believe that this bit of the data was somehow correct and that the revised methodology has been implemented to hide it.
It has. Why move the goal-posts of how you measure the stats otherwise? There is absolutely no reason to do it unless the figures start to get ugly and no longer fits your narrative. The same can be seen throughout history from the regular adjustment of the official inflation figures. Elysium said:
As I said, this is an almost perfect example of confirmation bias. Your position is completely ridiculous.
My position is completely ridiculous?! Bwhaha, that's pretty funny coming from you. You continue to use data sets which have been shown countless times over the past 4 years to not stand up to scrutiny and basically been proven from overwhelming anecdata to be complete bunkum and that's before even getting to the utter fraud of putting accident deaths down as "died from covid" to artificially inflate the figures and the not-vaccinated-until-2-weeks data fraud.Elysium said:
The reason we did not see the severity of the virus is that, for most of us it was not severe. The risk was concentrated in the old and the vulnerable.
The elderly would have been absolutely fine had they not all been bundled off to hospital to be suffocated with intubation and if that didn't work, bump them off with midazolam and give them all DNRs. And who are these "vulnerable" you keep referring to in your count? I am officially classed as vulnerable due to having a stroke 4 years ago (and I receive the regular text messages from Officialdom telling me to go get the latest "booster" jab as proof). I have never been at any risk of the supposed Deadly Virus, further proven by the fact that not only have I somehow managed to avoid succumbing to this alleged Deadly Virus pre-vaxx, but also survived another 3.5 years (and counting) without any doses of this Holy Grail protective Magic Juice which, according to you, "undeniably has saved millions of lives". How am I still alive if the alleged virus is so deadly to the "vulnerable" as you persistently claim? Sorry to be blunt but you are high as a kite on the government crack pipe
. I'll concede that you appeared to have some credibility in the early days reposting ONS graphs and spreadsheets as there was little in the way of anecdata to present a credible counter-argument (not helped by what little there was only appearing on CT-type platforms, although the swift silencing and de-platforming that took place for questioning The Official Narrative should have immediately raised people's eyebrows, regardless). But 4 years have elapsed since then and in that time there has been an overwhelming amount of anecdata which continues to grow by the week that directly contradicts the official data, ranging from the alleged severity of the virus itself - and even questioning its existence vs. the standard seasonal one that happens every year and has the exact same symptons
- to the claimed safety and effectiveness of the vaxx concoctions, with OAZ just recently admitting that their own vaxx actually wasn't safe and effective after all, with a whole bunch of people now dead or cabbages as a result of it. To keep copy and pasting your fancy ONS graphs and spreadsheets as proof that the overwhelming amount of anecdata now available is nonsense and isn't happening, well that's just laughable at this point in time. It's become like a new religion for you and you're deep down a rabbit hole of your own.Edited by r3g on Friday 10th May 20:17
I’m with r3g on data collection now, I trust none of it. I’m not sure even our figures of population are right, I don’t think anyone knows. I correlated only registered death figures from the ONS (not excess modelling, actual death figures) as it seemed the most pure way of measuring mortality throughout the last few years and from that we could hope to understand what it meant. To me all that has showed, is that since 2020, the death figures have been steadily much much higher than 2019 and before and have got worse in the younger age groups since the vaccine rollout in 2021. That’s indisputable if you believe the ONS death figures, I’ve got all the data in one spread sheet I’ve shared numerous times. You can infer what you like what caused every part of that, but that’s the figures we have.
Weird thing was, in 2020 I knew no one that died or was even remotely ill. 2021 onwards a different story. But that’s anecdotal territory, and no one likes those.
Weird thing was, in 2020 I knew no one that died or was even remotely ill. 2021 onwards a different story. But that’s anecdotal territory, and no one likes those.
jameswills said:
I’m with r3g on data collection now, I trust none of it. I’m not sure even our figures of population are right, I don’t think anyone knows. I correlated only registered death figures from the ONS (not excess modelling, actual death figures) as it seemed the most pure way of measuring mortality throughout the last few years and from that we could hope to understand what it meant. To me all that has showed, is that since 2020, the death figures have been steadily much much higher than 2019 and before and have got worse in the younger age groups since the vaccine rollout in 2021. That’s indisputable if you believe the ONS death figures, I’ve got all the data in one spread sheet I’ve shared numerous times. You can infer what you like what caused every part of that, but that’s the figures we have.
Weird thing was, in 2020 I knew no one that died or was even remotely ill. 2021 onwards a different story. But that’s anecdotal territory, and no one likes those.
Trust none of it...Just make sWeird thing was, in 2020 I knew no one that died or was even remotely ill. 2021 onwards a different story. But that’s anecdotal territory, and no one likes those.
t up.jameswills said:
Don’t forget “flu” disappeared. So they hastily had to make up some science about a virus overtaking another virus etc etc.
It’s all clown World stuff.
Ah! Get with the script James! The 'flu "disappeared" because everyone was locked down and so that's why nobody caught it It’s all clown World stuff.
. But then when you mention the lockdowns you get told that nobody was locked down and people were going about their business usual for the most part . So if that's the case, why didn't anybody get 'flu then for a full year? 
r3g said:
jameswills said:
Don’t forget “flu” disappeared. So they hastily had to make up some science about a virus overtaking another virus etc etc.
It’s all clown World stuff.
Ah! Get with the script James! The 'flu "disappeared" because everyone was locked down and so that's why nobody caught it It’s all clown World stuff.
. But then when you mention the lockdowns you get told that nobody was locked down and people were going about their business usual for the most part . So if that's the case, why didn't anybody get 'flu then for a full year? jameswills said:
Don’t forget “flu” disappeared. So they hastily had to make up some science about a virus overtaking another virus etc etc.
It’s all clown World stuff.
I think it is fairly clear that flu didn’t disappear. It’s still here.It’s all clown World stuff.
Our surveillance systems for ILI (influenza like illness) are driven by people who are ill enough to seek medical assistance. During COVID it makes sense that we saw less flu because the people who normally need that help were not mixing and so not spreading flu.
Reducing contact with other people reduces the spread of disease. That is incontrovertible. But the return of flu is another reminder that it can never eliminate disease.
That’s why zero COVID was so stupid.
Elysium said:
What the heck is “overwhelming anecdata”?
The overwhelming amount of "anecdata" ie. disabilities, disorders, endless sickness, unexplainable "sudden" death, cancer, heart attacks, strokes that have skyrocketed since 2021 that are now increasingly getting air-time in the mainstream media with some now tiptoeing round the edges starting to question whether the jabs were as "safe and effective" as they'd been assuring their viewer and readership of for the past 3 years.It's only a matter of time until the beloved BBC get on the bandwagon too as the desperation with their puff piece on the OAZ vaxx being withdrawn due to "being a great success" the other day was so embarrassingly bad it was cringeworthy. They can't keep the lid on it for much longer.
Meanwhile, I'm waiting for you to explain to me how I'm not dead, being one of your "vulnerable" persons that your saintly ONS data says I stood next to no chance of surviving The Deadly Virus. And once you've answered me that, you can answer me how I've managed to survive the proceeding 3 years of The Deadly Pandemic without having received a single dose of Holy Grail Magic Juice which, according to you and your ONS data, was "undeniably" effective and a life-saver for the "vulnerable".
/s intentional.
r3g said:
Elysium said:
What the heck is “overwhelming anecdata”?
The overwhelming amount of "anecdata" ie. disabilities, disorders, endless sickness, unexplainable "sudden" death, cancer, heart attacks, strokes that have skyrocketed since 2021 that are now increasingly getting air-time in the mainstream media with some now tiptoeing round the edges starting to question whether the jabs were as "safe and effective" as they'd been assuring their viewer and readership of for the past 3 years.It's only a matter of time until the beloved BBC get on the bandwagon too as the desperation with their puff piece on the OAZ vaxx being withdrawn due to "being a great success" the other day was so embarrassingly bad it was cringeworthy. They can't keep the lid on it for much longer.
r3g said:
Meanwhile, I'm waiting for you to explain to me how I'm not dead, being one of your "vulnerable" persons that your saintly ONS data says I stood next to no chance of surviving The Deadly Virus. And once you've answered me that, you can answer me how I've managed to survive the proceeding 3 years of The Deadly Pandemic without having received a single dose of Holy Grail Magic Juice which, according to you and your ONS data, was "undeniably" effective and a life-saver for the "vulnerable".
/s intentional.
That’s pretty much the exact opposite of what I have said. /s intentional.
Edited by Elysium on Saturday 11th May 00:24
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