CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)
Discussion
pavarotti1980 said:
r3g said:
The links to the stories and news articles have been regularly shared by myself and others throughout the volumes of these threads. They are all still there for the reading, but as history has shown, you are simply not interested unless the URL starts with www.bbc. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Well post them all up. I couldn't care less if it doesn't start with BBC. A radio presenter died due to complications from the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, a coroner has found.
Lisa Shaw, who worked for BBC Radio Newcastle, died at the age of 44 in May after developing headaches a week after getting her first dose of the vaccine.
Newcastle coroner Karen Dilks heard Ms Shaw suffered blood clots in the brain which ultimately led to her death.
https://www.msn.com/en-za/health/other/man-28-who-...
A healthy 28-year-old man who died after being wrongly given the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine was told to 'count yourself lucky' when he was given it.
Alex Reid, an operations controller from Leeds, 'did not understand why' he was invited to get the vaccination early in March 2021 as a man in his late 20s who was otherwise healthy.
But he was given the AstraZeneca (AZ) vaccine just weeks before the government warned that people under the age of 30 should be given an alternative jab because the AZ shot was linked with an increased risk of blood clots.
Tragically, he died three months later.
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:47
A man died of a blood clot that was a "direct result" of having the AstraZeneca Covid jab, a coroner said.
Jack Last, 27, from Stowmarket, was vaccinated on 30 March 2021 and a week later was admitted to hospital after experiencing headaches and sickness.
A scan on 10 April revealed a cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) and he died 10 days later.
Senior coroner Nigel Parsley recorded a narrative conclusion at Suffolk Coroner's Court.
He said: "Jack Last died of a blood clot to the brain, caused as a direct result of his body's reaction to the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccination which he had received on March 30, 2021."
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:49
'Healthy' doctor, 32, died after rare severe reaction to AstraZeneca COVID jab, coroner concludes
Dr Stephen Wright, of Sevenoaks, Kent, was one of a small number of people to have had a severe reaction to the jab in what the coroner described as a "very unusual and deeply tragic case".
Wednesday 19 April 2023 18:21, UK
A woman who died from "unrecognised" complications after having a Covid-19 vaccine was wrongly diagnosed with gastroenteritis, a coroner has said.
An inquest heard Michelle Barlow developed blood clots and died 16 days after having the AstraZeneca jab.
Senior coroner Timothy Brennand said the 51-year-old, from Orrell, Wigan, may have received "sub-optimal care".
Wrightington, Wigan and Leigh Teaching Hospitals Trust said her treatment was "in line with appropriate guidance".
The inquest heard mother-of-two Mrs Barlow first went to Royal Albert Edward Infirmary in Wigan with flu-like "side effects" on 19 March, 12 days after getting a vaccine at a mass vaccination centre at Robin Park, Wigan.
Her husband Ian told Bolton Coroner's Court she felt "fobbed off" and was discharged, but returned the next day and was admitted, doctors suspecting gastroenteritis.
Three days later, Mr Barlow got a phone call from a nurse telling him to get to the hospital as soon as possible.
holy cow batman - thats just from 5mins of searching. Bit more vivid when you have a face to a name to a death and these are what a coroner has agreed is from adverse reactions to the vaccine. What about the ones that slipped the net or are injured or simply didnt get reported? Shocking.
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:53
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:55
jameswills said:
Elysium said:
This is the basics of epidemiology. An SIR model:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compartmental_models...
You are arguing that the basic science of epidemiology is wrong. Based on nothing.
Rt is very easy to measure. It’s a simple calculation. I did it myself and posted the results here.
I have to say that saying “I can’t be bothered to respond” just makes me think that you have no response. You disagree, but you can’t explain why. I suspect because the truth is that you don’t know why. Because you are choosing what to believe in.
What are you actually disagreeing with?
Yes I am, I am sure the models work in a lab and in their nice computer programs with controlled data in, static environments and an already proven hypothesis, in reality they are useless, and time and time have been proven so, if people take the time to study real life results themselves other than the spoon fed ones. R is exactly that, all the talk of it bore no resemblance to the reality that unfolded, before, during or after. Even admitted by Hancock, it’s like someone watched a film about it and then ran with it.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compartmental_models...
You are arguing that the basic science of epidemiology is wrong. Based on nothing.
Rt is very easy to measure. It’s a simple calculation. I did it myself and posted the results here.
I have to say that saying “I can’t be bothered to respond” just makes me think that you have no response. You disagree, but you can’t explain why. I suspect because the truth is that you don’t know why. Because you are choosing what to believe in.
What are you actually disagreeing with?
I disagree that any social movement enforcements did anything to change in any direction, the “illness” that was “covid”. I think the daily briefings and useless tests were way more influential in creating a disease pretty much out of nothing.
That doesn’t mean that basic epidemiological theory is wrong. Just that the models are not good enough. Giesecke said as much in April 2020 as did Michael Levitt.
But behind the models there is a basic idea that is true. Disease spreads through human contact. If you reduce that contact you can reduce the spread and you can measure the impact of that by tracking Rt.
If you go back and read the post you disagreed with you will find that I am actually saying the same thing as you.
In an SIR model you have three groups. Susceptible people who can catch the disease, infected people who can spread it and recovered people who are immune. Lockdown can only ever delay and prolong an epidemic, because the ONLY way it can end is immunity. The group of susceptible people has to reduce and this can only happen if they are infected and recover or if they are given a sterilising vaccine. And that kind of vaccine does not exist for COVID.
I believe that lockdown failed because of two things:
1. Any benefits were short term. When you stop locking down, which you must at some point, you get an exit wave. It’s inevitable.
2. Viruses replicate at an incredible rate and mutate. Some mutations are useless, but others can help them replicate in a given situation. When human behaviour changes the situation through lockdown or vaccination, mutations that evade those measures will succeed. So our behaviour led to the natural selection of a variant that defeated it. I maintain this was actually quite fortunate in that Omicrons ability to spread regardless of restrictions meant that we could finally accept that there was no point to continuing those restrictions.
I agree with you that the daily briefings and explosion of testing were pointless. We didn’t need to do anything more than Sweden did,
superlightr said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-5833079...
A radio presenter died due to complications from the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, a coroner has found.
Lisa Shaw, who worked for BBC Radio Newcastle, died at the age of 44 in May after developing headaches a week after getting her first dose of the vaccine.
Newcastle coroner Karen Dilks heard Ms Shaw suffered blood clots in the brain which ultimately led to her death.
https://www.msn.com/en-za/health/other/man-28-who-...
A healthy 28-year-old man who died after being wrongly given the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine was told to 'count yourself lucky' when he was given it.
Alex Reid, an operations controller from Leeds, 'did not understand why' he was invited to get the vaccination early in March 2021 as a man in his late 20s who was otherwise healthy.
But he was given the AstraZeneca (AZ) vaccine just weeks before the government warned that people under the age of 30 should be given an alternative jab because the AZ shot was linked with an increased risk of blood clots.
Tragically, he died three months later.
A man died of a blood clot that was a "direct result" of having the AstraZeneca Covid jab, a coroner said.
Jack Last, 27, from Stowmarket, was vaccinated on 30 March 2021 and a week later was admitted to hospital after experiencing headaches and sickness.
A scan on 10 April revealed a cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) and he died 10 days later.
Senior coroner Nigel Parsley recorded a narrative conclusion at Suffolk Coroner's Court.
He said: "Jack Last died of a blood clot to the brain, caused as a direct result of his body's reaction to the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccination which he had received on March 30, 2021."
'Healthy' doctor, 32, died after rare severe reaction to AstraZeneca COVID jab, coroner concludes
Dr Stephen Wright, of Sevenoaks, Kent, was one of a small number of people to have had a severe reaction to the jab in what the coroner described as a "very unusual and deeply tragic case".
Wednesday 19 April 2023 18:21, UK
A woman who died from "unrecognised" complications after having a Covid-19 vaccine was wrongly diagnosed with gastroenteritis, a coroner has said.
An inquest heard Michelle Barlow developed blood clots and died 16 days after having the AstraZeneca jab.
Senior coroner Timothy Brennand said the 51-year-old, from Orrell, Wigan, may have received "sub-optimal care".
Wrightington, Wigan and Leigh Teaching Hospitals Trust said her treatment was "in line with appropriate guidance".
The inquest heard mother-of-two Mrs Barlow first went to Royal Albert Edward Infirmary in Wigan with flu-like "side effects" on 19 March, 12 days after getting a vaccine at a mass vaccination centre at Robin Park, Wigan.
Her husband Ian told Bolton Coroner's Court she felt "fobbed off" and was discharged, but returned the next day and was admitted, doctors suspecting gastroenteritis.
Three days later, Mr Barlow got a phone call from a nurse telling him to get to the hospital as soon as possible.
holy cow batman - thats just from 5mins of searching. Bit more vivid when you have a face to a name to a death and these are what a coroner has agreed is from adverse reactions to the vaccine. What about the ones that slipped the net or are injured or simply didnt get reported? Shocking.
Well done on finding Google. Maybe you could help r3g finding all this "data" on disabilities, heart attacks etc that have been verified as being due to the vaccine A radio presenter died due to complications from the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, a coroner has found.
Lisa Shaw, who worked for BBC Radio Newcastle, died at the age of 44 in May after developing headaches a week after getting her first dose of the vaccine.
Newcastle coroner Karen Dilks heard Ms Shaw suffered blood clots in the brain which ultimately led to her death.
https://www.msn.com/en-za/health/other/man-28-who-...
A healthy 28-year-old man who died after being wrongly given the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine was told to 'count yourself lucky' when he was given it.
Alex Reid, an operations controller from Leeds, 'did not understand why' he was invited to get the vaccination early in March 2021 as a man in his late 20s who was otherwise healthy.
But he was given the AstraZeneca (AZ) vaccine just weeks before the government warned that people under the age of 30 should be given an alternative jab because the AZ shot was linked with an increased risk of blood clots.
Tragically, he died three months later.
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:47
A man died of a blood clot that was a "direct result" of having the AstraZeneca Covid jab, a coroner said.
Jack Last, 27, from Stowmarket, was vaccinated on 30 March 2021 and a week later was admitted to hospital after experiencing headaches and sickness.
A scan on 10 April revealed a cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) and he died 10 days later.
Senior coroner Nigel Parsley recorded a narrative conclusion at Suffolk Coroner's Court.
He said: "Jack Last died of a blood clot to the brain, caused as a direct result of his body's reaction to the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccination which he had received on March 30, 2021."
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:49
'Healthy' doctor, 32, died after rare severe reaction to AstraZeneca COVID jab, coroner concludes
Dr Stephen Wright, of Sevenoaks, Kent, was one of a small number of people to have had a severe reaction to the jab in what the coroner described as a "very unusual and deeply tragic case".
Wednesday 19 April 2023 18:21, UK
A woman who died from "unrecognised" complications after having a Covid-19 vaccine was wrongly diagnosed with gastroenteritis, a coroner has said.
An inquest heard Michelle Barlow developed blood clots and died 16 days after having the AstraZeneca jab.
Senior coroner Timothy Brennand said the 51-year-old, from Orrell, Wigan, may have received "sub-optimal care".
Wrightington, Wigan and Leigh Teaching Hospitals Trust said her treatment was "in line with appropriate guidance".
The inquest heard mother-of-two Mrs Barlow first went to Royal Albert Edward Infirmary in Wigan with flu-like "side effects" on 19 March, 12 days after getting a vaccine at a mass vaccination centre at Robin Park, Wigan.
Her husband Ian told Bolton Coroner's Court she felt "fobbed off" and was discharged, but returned the next day and was admitted, doctors suspecting gastroenteritis.
Three days later, Mr Barlow got a phone call from a nurse telling him to get to the hospital as soon as possible.
holy cow batman - thats just from 5mins of searching. Bit more vivid when you have a face to a name to a death and these are what a coroner has agreed is from adverse reactions to the vaccine. What about the ones that slipped the net or are injured or simply didnt get reported? Shocking.
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:53
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:55
pavarotti1980 said:
superlightr said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-5833079...
A radio presenter died due to complications from the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, a coroner has found.
Lisa Shaw, who worked for BBC Radio Newcastle, died at the age of 44 in May after developing headaches a week after getting her first dose of the vaccine.
Newcastle coroner Karen Dilks heard Ms Shaw suffered blood clots in the brain which ultimately led to her death.
https://www.msn.com/en-za/health/other/man-28-who-...
A healthy 28-year-old man who died after being wrongly given the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine was told to 'count yourself lucky' when he was given it.
Alex Reid, an operations controller from Leeds, 'did not understand why' he was invited to get the vaccination early in March 2021 as a man in his late 20s who was otherwise healthy.
But he was given the AstraZeneca (AZ) vaccine just weeks before the government warned that people under the age of 30 should be given an alternative jab because the AZ shot was linked with an increased risk of blood clots.
Tragically, he died three months later.
A man died of a blood clot that was a "direct result" of having the AstraZeneca Covid jab, a coroner said.
Jack Last, 27, from Stowmarket, was vaccinated on 30 March 2021 and a week later was admitted to hospital after experiencing headaches and sickness.
A scan on 10 April revealed a cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) and he died 10 days later.
Senior coroner Nigel Parsley recorded a narrative conclusion at Suffolk Coroner's Court.
He said: "Jack Last died of a blood clot to the brain, caused as a direct result of his body's reaction to the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccination which he had received on March 30, 2021."
'Healthy' doctor, 32, died after rare severe reaction to AstraZeneca COVID jab, coroner concludes
Dr Stephen Wright, of Sevenoaks, Kent, was one of a small number of people to have had a severe reaction to the jab in what the coroner described as a "very unusual and deeply tragic case".
Wednesday 19 April 2023 18:21, UK
A woman who died from "unrecognised" complications after having a Covid-19 vaccine was wrongly diagnosed with gastroenteritis, a coroner has said.
An inquest heard Michelle Barlow developed blood clots and died 16 days after having the AstraZeneca jab.
Senior coroner Timothy Brennand said the 51-year-old, from Orrell, Wigan, may have received "sub-optimal care".
Wrightington, Wigan and Leigh Teaching Hospitals Trust said her treatment was "in line with appropriate guidance".
The inquest heard mother-of-two Mrs Barlow first went to Royal Albert Edward Infirmary in Wigan with flu-like "side effects" on 19 March, 12 days after getting a vaccine at a mass vaccination centre at Robin Park, Wigan.
Her husband Ian told Bolton Coroner's Court she felt "fobbed off" and was discharged, but returned the next day and was admitted, doctors suspecting gastroenteritis.
Three days later, Mr Barlow got a phone call from a nurse telling him to get to the hospital as soon as possible.
holy cow batman - thats just from 5mins of searching. Bit more vivid when you have a face to a name to a death and these are what a coroner has agreed is from adverse reactions to the vaccine. What about the ones that slipped the net or are injured or simply didnt get reported? Shocking.
Well done on finding Google. Maybe you could help r3g finding all this "data" on disabilities, heart attacks etc that have been verified as being due to the vaccine A radio presenter died due to complications from the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, a coroner has found.
Lisa Shaw, who worked for BBC Radio Newcastle, died at the age of 44 in May after developing headaches a week after getting her first dose of the vaccine.
Newcastle coroner Karen Dilks heard Ms Shaw suffered blood clots in the brain which ultimately led to her death.
https://www.msn.com/en-za/health/other/man-28-who-...
A healthy 28-year-old man who died after being wrongly given the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine was told to 'count yourself lucky' when he was given it.
Alex Reid, an operations controller from Leeds, 'did not understand why' he was invited to get the vaccination early in March 2021 as a man in his late 20s who was otherwise healthy.
But he was given the AstraZeneca (AZ) vaccine just weeks before the government warned that people under the age of 30 should be given an alternative jab because the AZ shot was linked with an increased risk of blood clots.
Tragically, he died three months later.
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:47
A man died of a blood clot that was a "direct result" of having the AstraZeneca Covid jab, a coroner said.
Jack Last, 27, from Stowmarket, was vaccinated on 30 March 2021 and a week later was admitted to hospital after experiencing headaches and sickness.
A scan on 10 April revealed a cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) and he died 10 days later.
Senior coroner Nigel Parsley recorded a narrative conclusion at Suffolk Coroner's Court.
He said: "Jack Last died of a blood clot to the brain, caused as a direct result of his body's reaction to the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccination which he had received on March 30, 2021."
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:49
'Healthy' doctor, 32, died after rare severe reaction to AstraZeneca COVID jab, coroner concludes
Dr Stephen Wright, of Sevenoaks, Kent, was one of a small number of people to have had a severe reaction to the jab in what the coroner described as a "very unusual and deeply tragic case".
Wednesday 19 April 2023 18:21, UK
A woman who died from "unrecognised" complications after having a Covid-19 vaccine was wrongly diagnosed with gastroenteritis, a coroner has said.
An inquest heard Michelle Barlow developed blood clots and died 16 days after having the AstraZeneca jab.
Senior coroner Timothy Brennand said the 51-year-old, from Orrell, Wigan, may have received "sub-optimal care".
Wrightington, Wigan and Leigh Teaching Hospitals Trust said her treatment was "in line with appropriate guidance".
The inquest heard mother-of-two Mrs Barlow first went to Royal Albert Edward Infirmary in Wigan with flu-like "side effects" on 19 March, 12 days after getting a vaccine at a mass vaccination centre at Robin Park, Wigan.
Her husband Ian told Bolton Coroner's Court she felt "fobbed off" and was discharged, but returned the next day and was admitted, doctors suspecting gastroenteritis.
Three days later, Mr Barlow got a phone call from a nurse telling him to get to the hospital as soon as possible.
holy cow batman - thats just from 5mins of searching. Bit more vivid when you have a face to a name to a death and these are what a coroner has agreed is from adverse reactions to the vaccine. What about the ones that slipped the net or are injured or simply didnt get reported? Shocking.
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:53
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:55
I thought it was all supposed to be being covered up?
pavarotti1980 said:
Well done on finding Google. Maybe you could help r3g finding all this "data" on disabilities, heart attacks etc that have been verified as being due to the vaccine
Superlightr has provided some examples of deaths caused by the COVID vaccines.Whilst this is not data illustrating large scale harm. It is evidence of significant adverse impact on individuals.
Is it clear now that the coercion and mandates were wrong?
superlightr said:
pavarotti1980 said:
r3g said:
The links to the stories and news articles have been regularly shared by myself and others throughout the volumes of these threads. They are all still there for the reading, but as history has shown, you are simply not interested unless the URL starts with www.bbc. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Well post them all up. I couldn't care less if it doesn't start with BBC. A radio presenter died due to complications from the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, a coroner has found.
Lisa Shaw, who worked for BBC Radio Newcastle, died at the age of 44 in May after developing headaches a week after getting her first dose of the vaccine.
Newcastle coroner Karen Dilks heard Ms Shaw suffered blood clots in the brain which ultimately led to her death.
https://www.msn.com/en-za/health/other/man-28-who-...
A healthy 28-year-old man who died after being wrongly given the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine was told to 'count yourself lucky' when he was given it.
Alex Reid, an operations controller from Leeds, 'did not understand why' he was invited to get the vaccination early in March 2021 as a man in his late 20s who was otherwise healthy.
But he was given the AstraZeneca (AZ) vaccine just weeks before the government warned that people under the age of 30 should be given an alternative jab because the AZ shot was linked with an increased risk of blood clots.
Tragically, he died three months later.
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:47
A man died of a blood clot that was a "direct result" of having the AstraZeneca Covid jab, a coroner said.
Jack Last, 27, from Stowmarket, was vaccinated on 30 March 2021 and a week later was admitted to hospital after experiencing headaches and sickness.
A scan on 10 April revealed a cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) and he died 10 days later.
Senior coroner Nigel Parsley recorded a narrative conclusion at Suffolk Coroner's Court.
He said: "Jack Last died of a blood clot to the brain, caused as a direct result of his body's reaction to the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccination which he had received on March 30, 2021."
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:49
'Healthy' doctor, 32, died after rare severe reaction to AstraZeneca COVID jab, coroner concludes
Dr Stephen Wright, of Sevenoaks, Kent, was one of a small number of people to have had a severe reaction to the jab in what the coroner described as a "very unusual and deeply tragic case".
Wednesday 19 April 2023 18:21, UK
A woman who died from "unrecognised" complications after having a Covid-19 vaccine was wrongly diagnosed with gastroenteritis, a coroner has said.
An inquest heard Michelle Barlow developed blood clots and died 16 days after having the AstraZeneca jab.
Senior coroner Timothy Brennand said the 51-year-old, from Orrell, Wigan, may have received "sub-optimal care".
Wrightington, Wigan and Leigh Teaching Hospitals Trust said her treatment was "in line with appropriate guidance".
The inquest heard mother-of-two Mrs Barlow first went to Royal Albert Edward Infirmary in Wigan with flu-like "side effects" on 19 March, 12 days after getting a vaccine at a mass vaccination centre at Robin Park, Wigan.
Her husband Ian told Bolton Coroner's Court she felt "fobbed off" and was discharged, but returned the next day and was admitted, doctors suspecting gastroenteritis.
Three days later, Mr Barlow got a phone call from a nurse telling him to get to the hospital as soon as possible.
holy cow batman - thats just from 5mins of searching. Bit more vivid when you have a face to a name to a death and these are what a coroner has agreed is from adverse reactions to the vaccine. What about the ones that slipped the net or are injured or simply didnt get reported? Shocking.
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:53
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:55
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/daily-...
That was just from 10 seconds of searching.
Aspirin is a ticking timebomb, it’s an experimental drug etc etc.
I will never take an aspirin, and I can confidently say my choice was correct, based on those terrifying statistics.
Don’t get me started on peanuts.
“Somewhere around 150 to 200 people die in the U.S. each year because of food allergies. It's estimated that around 50 percent to 62 percent of those fatal cases of anaphylaxis were caused by peanut allergies”
Big peanut have a lot to answer for.
Edit: oh my goodness, I just stumbled across this, after just 5 more minutes on google.
https://news.sky.com/story/lost-to-covid-19-the-fa...
https://www.nbcnews.com/coronavirus-remembering-li...
https://time.com/6167025/one-millon-deaths-covid-1...
Apparently 100s and 100s of thousands of people died from this “Covid19” !!
If only there was pharmaceutical treatment, with a tiny %age of side effects, that could have helped those poor people!
Edited by andyeds1234 on Sunday 12th May 16:52
andyeds1234 said:
superlightr said:
pavarotti1980 said:
r3g said:
The links to the stories and news articles have been regularly shared by myself and others throughout the volumes of these threads. They are all still there for the reading, but as history has shown, you are simply not interested unless the URL starts with www.bbc. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Well post them all up. I couldn't care less if it doesn't start with BBC. A radio presenter died due to complications from the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, a coroner has found.
Lisa Shaw, who worked for BBC Radio Newcastle, died at the age of 44 in May after developing headaches a week after getting her first dose of the vaccine.
Newcastle coroner Karen Dilks heard Ms Shaw suffered blood clots in the brain which ultimately led to her death.
https://www.msn.com/en-za/health/other/man-28-who-...
A healthy 28-year-old man who died after being wrongly given the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine was told to 'count yourself lucky' when he was given it.
Alex Reid, an operations controller from Leeds, 'did not understand why' he was invited to get the vaccination early in March 2021 as a man in his late 20s who was otherwise healthy.
But he was given the AstraZeneca (AZ) vaccine just weeks before the government warned that people under the age of 30 should be given an alternative jab because the AZ shot was linked with an increased risk of blood clots.
Tragically, he died three months later.
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:47
A man died of a blood clot that was a "direct result" of having the AstraZeneca Covid jab, a coroner said.
Jack Last, 27, from Stowmarket, was vaccinated on 30 March 2021 and a week later was admitted to hospital after experiencing headaches and sickness.
A scan on 10 April revealed a cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) and he died 10 days later.
Senior coroner Nigel Parsley recorded a narrative conclusion at Suffolk Coroner's Court.
He said: "Jack Last died of a blood clot to the brain, caused as a direct result of his body's reaction to the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccination which he had received on March 30, 2021."
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:49
'Healthy' doctor, 32, died after rare severe reaction to AstraZeneca COVID jab, coroner concludes
Dr Stephen Wright, of Sevenoaks, Kent, was one of a small number of people to have had a severe reaction to the jab in what the coroner described as a "very unusual and deeply tragic case".
Wednesday 19 April 2023 18:21, UK
A woman who died from "unrecognised" complications after having a Covid-19 vaccine was wrongly diagnosed with gastroenteritis, a coroner has said.
An inquest heard Michelle Barlow developed blood clots and died 16 days after having the AstraZeneca jab.
Senior coroner Timothy Brennand said the 51-year-old, from Orrell, Wigan, may have received "sub-optimal care".
Wrightington, Wigan and Leigh Teaching Hospitals Trust said her treatment was "in line with appropriate guidance".
The inquest heard mother-of-two Mrs Barlow first went to Royal Albert Edward Infirmary in Wigan with flu-like "side effects" on 19 March, 12 days after getting a vaccine at a mass vaccination centre at Robin Park, Wigan.
Her husband Ian told Bolton Coroner's Court she felt "fobbed off" and was discharged, but returned the next day and was admitted, doctors suspecting gastroenteritis.
Three days later, Mr Barlow got a phone call from a nurse telling him to get to the hospital as soon as possible.
holy cow batman - thats just from 5mins of searching. Bit more vivid when you have a face to a name to a death and these are what a coroner has agreed is from adverse reactions to the vaccine. What about the ones that slipped the net or are injured or simply didnt get reported? Shocking.
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:53
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:55
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/daily-...
That was just from 10 seconds of searching.
Aspirin is a ticking timebomb, it’s an experimental drug etc etc.
I will never take an aspirin, and I can confidently say my choice was correct, based on those terrifying statistics.
Don’t get me started on peanuts.
“Somewhere around 150 to 200 people die in the U.S. each year because of food allergies. It's estimated that around 50 percent to 62 percent of those fatal cases of anaphylaxis were caused by peanut allergies”
Big peanut have a lot to answer for.
Edit: oh my goodness, I just stumbled across this, after just 5 more minutes on google.
https://news.sky.com/story/lost-to-covid-19-the-fa...
https://www.nbcnews.com/coronavirus-remembering-li...
https://time.com/6167025/one-millon-deaths-covid-1...
Apparently 100s and 100s of thousands of people died from this “Covid19” !!
If only there was pharmaceutical treatment, with a tiny %age of side effects, that could have helped those poor people!
Edited by andyeds1234 on Sunday 12th May 16:52
funny eh? words fail me.
superlightr said:
andyeds1234 said:
superlightr said:
pavarotti1980 said:
r3g said:
The links to the stories and news articles have been regularly shared by myself and others throughout the volumes of these threads. They are all still there for the reading, but as history has shown, you are simply not interested unless the URL starts with www.bbc. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Well post them all up. I couldn't care less if it doesn't start with BBC. A radio presenter died due to complications from the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, a coroner has found.
Lisa Shaw, who worked for BBC Radio Newcastle, died at the age of 44 in May after developing headaches a week after getting her first dose of the vaccine.
Newcastle coroner Karen Dilks heard Ms Shaw suffered blood clots in the brain which ultimately led to her death.
https://www.msn.com/en-za/health/other/man-28-who-...
A healthy 28-year-old man who died after being wrongly given the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine was told to 'count yourself lucky' when he was given it.
Alex Reid, an operations controller from Leeds, 'did not understand why' he was invited to get the vaccination early in March 2021 as a man in his late 20s who was otherwise healthy.
But he was given the AstraZeneca (AZ) vaccine just weeks before the government warned that people under the age of 30 should be given an alternative jab because the AZ shot was linked with an increased risk of blood clots.
Tragically, he died three months later.
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:47
A man died of a blood clot that was a "direct result" of having the AstraZeneca Covid jab, a coroner said.
Jack Last, 27, from Stowmarket, was vaccinated on 30 March 2021 and a week later was admitted to hospital after experiencing headaches and sickness.
A scan on 10 April revealed a cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) and he died 10 days later.
Senior coroner Nigel Parsley recorded a narrative conclusion at Suffolk Coroner's Court.
He said: "Jack Last died of a blood clot to the brain, caused as a direct result of his body's reaction to the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccination which he had received on March 30, 2021."
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:49
'Healthy' doctor, 32, died after rare severe reaction to AstraZeneca COVID jab, coroner concludes
Dr Stephen Wright, of Sevenoaks, Kent, was one of a small number of people to have had a severe reaction to the jab in what the coroner described as a "very unusual and deeply tragic case".
Wednesday 19 April 2023 18:21, UK
A woman who died from "unrecognised" complications after having a Covid-19 vaccine was wrongly diagnosed with gastroenteritis, a coroner has said.
An inquest heard Michelle Barlow developed blood clots and died 16 days after having the AstraZeneca jab.
Senior coroner Timothy Brennand said the 51-year-old, from Orrell, Wigan, may have received "sub-optimal care".
Wrightington, Wigan and Leigh Teaching Hospitals Trust said her treatment was "in line with appropriate guidance".
The inquest heard mother-of-two Mrs Barlow first went to Royal Albert Edward Infirmary in Wigan with flu-like "side effects" on 19 March, 12 days after getting a vaccine at a mass vaccination centre at Robin Park, Wigan.
Her husband Ian told Bolton Coroner's Court she felt "fobbed off" and was discharged, but returned the next day and was admitted, doctors suspecting gastroenteritis.
Three days later, Mr Barlow got a phone call from a nurse telling him to get to the hospital as soon as possible.
holy cow batman - thats just from 5mins of searching. Bit more vivid when you have a face to a name to a death and these are what a coroner has agreed is from adverse reactions to the vaccine. What about the ones that slipped the net or are injured or simply didnt get reported? Shocking.
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:53
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:55
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/daily-...
That was just from 10 seconds of searching.
Aspirin is a ticking timebomb, it’s an experimental drug etc etc.
I will never take an aspirin, and I can confidently say my choice was correct, based on those terrifying statistics.
Don’t get me started on peanuts.
“Somewhere around 150 to 200 people die in the U.S. each year because of food allergies. It's estimated that around 50 percent to 62 percent of those fatal cases of anaphylaxis were caused by peanut allergies”
Big peanut have a lot to answer for.
Edit: oh my goodness, I just stumbled across this, after just 5 more minutes on google.
https://news.sky.com/story/lost-to-covid-19-the-fa...
https://www.nbcnews.com/coronavirus-remembering-li...
https://time.com/6167025/one-millon-deaths-covid-1...
Apparently 100s and 100s of thousands of people died from this “Covid19” !!
If only there was pharmaceutical treatment, with a tiny %age of side effects, that could have helped those poor people!
Edited by andyeds1234 on Sunday 12th May 16:52
funny eh? words fail me.
Almost nothing is risk free. Medical treatments are never risk free.
Thousands die from long standing treatments such as aspirin every year.
Millions died from Covid (unless you are a loon, in which case nobody did)
The vaccine was provided to mitigate the risk of death and complication from Covid-19. Like any treatment, side effects did occur.
It’s sad, I wish it didn’t happen, but I also wish millions didn’t die from Covid before the vaccines were produced.
Maybe google vaccine deaths vs doses administered, and you may get some perspective.
Rollin said:
Whether by accident or not, this is the first worthwhile contribution you’ve made to this thread, and without a condescending comment or smilie. Has your account been hacked too?I have read that article, thanks for linking, it’s a typical hit piece that could be made by any LLM these days, but I thought it would be interesting to work through it. So your points first.
Bear in mind, I’ve not watched this TV show, but I have listened to RFK a lot and read his Anthony Fauci book. I’m not a fan of his, I don’t really trust him, but his book is extremely well written and researched, and he’s not been sued for it, so you’ve got to take it as close to facts as you can get. I’d urge to read that first before making any conclusion from this article. Anyway….
article said:
After scaring their viewers and eroding their trust in official bodies, RFK Jr.’s CHD TV comes to their rescue with irrational solutions. The rallying cry of “do your own research” can often be heard. It is not an invitation to learn the complexities of scientific thinking, but rather a Marco Polo-style call-and-answer for anti-vaccine leaders to guide their followers to where they are in the rabbit hole. “Do your own research” means “I hope you follow the breadcrumbs to the same truth I now choose to believe.”
So, apparently these nasty conspiracy theorist scare viewers and erode trust in official bodies. Is that opposed to official bodies scaring the crap out of everyone with daily briefings and death figures no one can actually comprehend eroding their trust in their own capacity to live their own lives? I can’t speak for the show, maybe that is what they do, but that’s not what normal folk who don’t subscribe to doing what the BBC tell them to do, they research, they listen to others, they think for themselves. Oddly never gets addressed.
article said:
But doing your own research is not enough. Analytical thinking must be put aside to make way for intuition. Trust your gut, we are told over and over again, as if our brain’s quick-and-dirty threat assessment function can help us understand what the contents of a syringe does to our body. Monday’s Tea Time programme went even further. The guest, who teaches the art of emotional connection, declared, “I don’t know anything except what I feel,” before one of the hosts said that “our minds and thoughts create our reality,” which was echoed by Ilana Daniel in The Jerusalem Report claiming that “what you think and what you believe is what will come true for you.” This is straight out of the book The Secret, a New Age wish-fulfilment fantasy that makes it easy to blame people for failing in life.
“Our brain’s quick and dirty threat assessment function”, yes that fight or flight instinct that keeps every single organism alive. Don’t trust that, trust the message. Trust the people that no one has ever said they trust, politicians. And the final sentence is absolutely typical, always laugh when I hear this comment… “failing in life”. I’d love to hear your definition of that, it wasn’t quantified in this piece? We talk science and R numbers and absolutes that viruses exist, but no one has ever really quantified that. Maybe a starter for 10 for Monday?
Few snippets from the rest of it.
the article said:
The denial of germ theory of disease gained a foothold in anti-vaccine circles during Covid. Maybe they thought, viruses aren’t even real.
How does one deny a theory? You can deny a belief. From that inference, perhaps we get closer to the truth.
Well no, viruses are not real. They have never been actually observed, that is the germ theory. The supposed reaction to cells of a virus is the only thing that has been measured, based on this theory. In reality, a virus actually doesn’t exist.
How does one deny a theory? You can deny a belief. From that inference, perhaps we get closer to the truth.
Well no, viruses are not real. They have never been actually observed, that is the germ theory. The supposed reaction to cells of a virus is the only thing that has been measured, based on this theory. In reality, a virus actually doesn’t exist.
the article said:
HIV denialism is also making a comeback, with an entire hour of CHD TV’s The People’s Testament dedicated to platforming a former columnist for SPIN magazine who started interviewing contrarians at the height of the AIDS epidemic and interpreted the pushback she received as evidence that she was uncovering a hidden truth. On the show, she claimed, very misleadingly, that the antiretroviral AZT killed over 300,000 gay men in the early years of AIDS. As with COVID, the belief is that the disease is mild or its causes are misunderstood, but the pharmaceutical solution is the real killer.
I’ll include this as it’s the crux of RFKs book, and it’s absolutely bang on. It was another made up pandemic, and AIDS was the result of the AZT treatment. It’s actually quite irrefutable. Read the book.Rollin said:
Whether by accident or not, this is the first worthwhile contribution you’ve made to this thread, and without a condescending comment or smilie. Has your account been hacked too?I have read that article, thanks for linking, it’s a typical hit piece that could be made by any LLM these days, but I thought it would be interesting to work through it. So your points first.
Bear in mind, I’ve not watched this TV show, but I have listened to RFK a lot and read his Anthony Fauci book. I’m not a fan of his, I don’t really trust him, but his book is extremely well written and researched, and he’s not been sued for it, so you’ve got to take it as close to facts as you can get. I’d urge to read that first before making any conclusion from this article. Anyway….
article said:
After scaring their viewers and eroding their trust in official bodies, RFK Jr.’s CHD TV comes to their rescue with irrational solutions. The rallying cry of “do your own research” can often be heard. It is not an invitation to learn the complexities of scientific thinking, but rather a Marco Polo-style call-and-answer for anti-vaccine leaders to guide their followers to where they are in the rabbit hole. “Do your own research” means “I hope you follow the breadcrumbs to the same truth I now choose to believe.”
So, apparently these nasty conspiracy theorist scare viewers and erode trust in official bodies. Is that opposed to official bodies scaring the crap out of everyone with daily briefings and death figures no one can actually comprehend eroding their trust in their own capacity to live their own lives? I can’t speak for the show, maybe that is what they do, but that’s not what normal folk who don’t subscribe to doing what the BBC tell them to do, they research, they listen to others, they think for themselves. Oddly never gets addressed.
article said:
But doing your own research is not enough. Analytical thinking must be put aside to make way for intuition. Trust your gut, we are told over and over again, as if our brain’s quick-and-dirty threat assessment function can help us understand what the contents of a syringe does to our body. Monday’s Tea Time programme went even further. The guest, who teaches the art of emotional connection, declared, “I don’t know anything except what I feel,” before one of the hosts said that “our minds and thoughts create our reality,” which was echoed by Ilana Daniel in The Jerusalem Report claiming that “what you think and what you believe is what will come true for you.” This is straight out of the book The Secret, a New Age wish-fulfilment fantasy that makes it easy to blame people for failing in life.
“Our brain’s quick and dirty threat assessment function”, yes that fight or flight instinct that keeps every single organism alive. Don’t trust that, trust the message. Trust the people that no one has ever said they trust, politicians. And the final sentence is absolutely typical, always laugh when I hear this comment… “failing in life”. I’d love to hear your definition of that, it wasn’t quantified in this piece? We talk science and R numbers and absolutes that viruses exist, but no one has ever really quantified that. Maybe a starter for 10 for Monday?
Few snippets from the rest of it.
the article said:
The denial of germ theory of disease gained a foothold in anti-vaccine circles during Covid. Maybe they thought, viruses aren’t even real.
How does one deny a theory? You can deny a belief. From that inference, perhaps we get closer to the truth. Well no, viruses are not real. They have never been actually observed, that is the germ theory. The supposed reaction to cells of a virus is the only thing that has been measured, based on this theory. In reality, a virus actually doesn’t exist.
the article said:
The rest is weirdly slagging off a media outlet but accusing it of exactly the same things the main stream media and governments have been doing.
But thanks for sharing. Edited by jameswills on Sunday 12th May 17:34
Edited by jameswills on Sunday 12th May 17:35
andyeds1234 said:
superlightr said:
andyeds1234 said:
superlightr said:
pavarotti1980 said:
r3g said:
The links to the stories and news articles have been regularly shared by myself and others throughout the volumes of these threads. They are all still there for the reading, but as history has shown, you are simply not interested unless the URL starts with www.bbc. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Well post them all up. I couldn't care less if it doesn't start with BBC. A radio presenter died due to complications from the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, a coroner has found.
Lisa Shaw, who worked for BBC Radio Newcastle, died at the age of 44 in May after developing headaches a week after getting her first dose of the vaccine.
Newcastle coroner Karen Dilks heard Ms Shaw suffered blood clots in the brain which ultimately led to her death.
https://www.msn.com/en-za/health/other/man-28-who-...
A healthy 28-year-old man who died after being wrongly given the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine was told to 'count yourself lucky' when he was given it.
Alex Reid, an operations controller from Leeds, 'did not understand why' he was invited to get the vaccination early in March 2021 as a man in his late 20s who was otherwise healthy.
But he was given the AstraZeneca (AZ) vaccine just weeks before the government warned that people under the age of 30 should be given an alternative jab because the AZ shot was linked with an increased risk of blood clots.
Tragically, he died three months later.
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:47
A man died of a blood clot that was a "direct result" of having the AstraZeneca Covid jab, a coroner said.
Jack Last, 27, from Stowmarket, was vaccinated on 30 March 2021 and a week later was admitted to hospital after experiencing headaches and sickness.
A scan on 10 April revealed a cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) and he died 10 days later.
Senior coroner Nigel Parsley recorded a narrative conclusion at Suffolk Coroner's Court.
He said: "Jack Last died of a blood clot to the brain, caused as a direct result of his body's reaction to the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccination which he had received on March 30, 2021."
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:49
'Healthy' doctor, 32, died after rare severe reaction to AstraZeneca COVID jab, coroner concludes
Dr Stephen Wright, of Sevenoaks, Kent, was one of a small number of people to have had a severe reaction to the jab in what the coroner described as a "very unusual and deeply tragic case".
Wednesday 19 April 2023 18:21, UK
A woman who died from "unrecognised" complications after having a Covid-19 vaccine was wrongly diagnosed with gastroenteritis, a coroner has said.
An inquest heard Michelle Barlow developed blood clots and died 16 days after having the AstraZeneca jab.
Senior coroner Timothy Brennand said the 51-year-old, from Orrell, Wigan, may have received "sub-optimal care".
Wrightington, Wigan and Leigh Teaching Hospitals Trust said her treatment was "in line with appropriate guidance".
The inquest heard mother-of-two Mrs Barlow first went to Royal Albert Edward Infirmary in Wigan with flu-like "side effects" on 19 March, 12 days after getting a vaccine at a mass vaccination centre at Robin Park, Wigan.
Her husband Ian told Bolton Coroner's Court she felt "fobbed off" and was discharged, but returned the next day and was admitted, doctors suspecting gastroenteritis.
Three days later, Mr Barlow got a phone call from a nurse telling him to get to the hospital as soon as possible.
holy cow batman - thats just from 5mins of searching. Bit more vivid when you have a face to a name to a death and these are what a coroner has agreed is from adverse reactions to the vaccine. What about the ones that slipped the net or are injured or simply didnt get reported? Shocking.
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:53
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:55
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/daily-...
That was just from 10 seconds of searching.
Aspirin is a ticking timebomb, it’s an experimental drug etc etc.
I will never take an aspirin, and I can confidently say my choice was correct, based on those terrifying statistics.
Don’t get me started on peanuts.
“Somewhere around 150 to 200 people die in the U.S. each year because of food allergies. It's estimated that around 50 percent to 62 percent of those fatal cases of anaphylaxis were caused by peanut allergies”
Big peanut have a lot to answer for.
Edit: oh my goodness, I just stumbled across this, after just 5 more minutes on google.
https://news.sky.com/story/lost-to-covid-19-the-fa...
https://www.nbcnews.com/coronavirus-remembering-li...
https://time.com/6167025/one-millon-deaths-covid-1...
Apparently 100s and 100s of thousands of people died from this “Covid19” !!
If only there was pharmaceutical treatment, with a tiny %age of side effects, that could have helped those poor people!
Edited by andyeds1234 on Sunday 12th May 16:52
funny eh? words fail me.
Almost nothing is risk free. Medical treatments are never risk free.
Thousands die from long standing treatments such as aspirin every year.
Millions died from Covid (unless you are a loon, in which case nobody did)
The vaccine was provided to mitigate the risk of death and complication from Covid-19. Like any treatment, side effects did occur.
It’s sad, I wish it didn’t happen, but I also wish millions didn’t die from Covid before the vaccines were produced.
Maybe google vaccine deaths vs doses administered, and you may get some perspective.
I am grown up enough to read the risks and make an informed decision. Despite having the same ability, tens of millions were denied the right to make the choice and anyone questioning it was vilified. It was unforgiveable, obscene and criminal and even more disgusting because the mob supported it.
jameswills said:
Stuff
You must have been particularly bored on a sunday afternoon to write all this in response to TRollin. And it was a complete waste of time “You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it.” – Morpheus
r3g said:
jameswills said:
Stuff
You must have been particularly bored on a sunday afternoon to write all this in response to TRollin. And it was a complete waste of time “You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it.” – Morpheus
And I was bored
jameswills said:
I’ve asked this before, why are people so wedded to the idea that pharmaceutical intervention is paramount to human health? Have you not considered at all why they make so much money from it?
Ask anyone who would have died, had pharmaceutical intervention not been available?Blood transfusions, organ transplants, chemotherapy, a million different surgeries etc etc etc.
I’m guessing those whose lives who were saved, are “wedded” to the idea that pharmaceutical intervention was paramount to their health.
Of course eating quinoa and meditating may have cured them, but then again…
jameswills said:
I’ve asked this before, why are people so wedded to the idea that pharmaceutical intervention is paramount to human health? Have you not considered at all why they make so much money from it?
Because that's what they've been brainwashed to believe through constant bombardment of fear and propaganda stories being pumped out of every media platform 24/7. It's done purposely to make you believe that the government knows what's best for you, not to think for yourself and let government make all your decisions for you because it's far too dangerous outside with all the wars, deadly viruses, killer foods, stabbings, shootings etc for you to make any decisions yourself.It's a very well-oiled machine and hence why you, me and a handful of others are under constant attack and ridicule when we point out the gaping holes in the narrative along with the blatant fraud, deception and corruption behind it. They don't want to see it or be told about it, because it challenges everything they've been conditioned to believe in. You can see it coming through in some of their recent posts - quite angry messaging as they struggle to come to terms with the unavoidable mounting evidence that their 'safe and effective' vaccine security blanket was nothing of the sort, and in fact quite the opposite. Their default defence mechanism is to steadfastly continue to believe that the official government health wallahs were right, and there must surely be some mistake somewhere when they proved to be wrong - just a one-off 'error' that anyone can make, but they are still to be trusted and respected because they are the government, they would never manipulate data to suit an agenda they wanted to push. Anyone challenging, questioning or exposing this must be shot down and ridiculed because it throws their belief system into disarray and they can't cope.
They just want it all to go away, forget about it, pretend it never happened, everyone to stop talking about, "move on" and hope that those niggling pains they keep feeling are nothing to worry about.
Some will wake up in their own time and realise they've been duped and lied to. Others will never wake up as they'll never be able to break themselves from the big daddy government's teet, hence the rather apt quote from the fictional movie, The Matrix : "You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it" which is, sadly, true.
andyeds1234 said:
Ask anyone who would have died, had pharmaceutical intervention not been available?
Blood transfusions, organ transplants, chemotherapy, a million different surgeries etc etc etc.
I’m guessing those whose lives who were saved, are “wedded” to the idea that pharmaceutical intervention was paramount to their health.
Of course eating quinoa and meditating may have cured them, but then again…
I’ve had experience of pharmaceutical intervention myself of a family member, fully believe they would still be here today. What are people afraid of when it comes to “alternatives”? Why are the before natural remedies now the talk of witchcraft, but something made for profit by a massive organisation tied to government and forced upon you is the de facto standard?Blood transfusions, organ transplants, chemotherapy, a million different surgeries etc etc etc.
I’m guessing those whose lives who were saved, are “wedded” to the idea that pharmaceutical intervention was paramount to their health.
Of course eating quinoa and meditating may have cured them, but then again…
jameswills said:
andyeds1234 said:
Ask anyone who would have died, had pharmaceutical intervention not been available?
Blood transfusions, organ transplants, chemotherapy, a million different surgeries etc etc etc.
I’m guessing those whose lives who were saved, are “wedded” to the idea that pharmaceutical intervention was paramount to their health.
Of course eating quinoa and meditating may have cured them, but then again…
I’ve had experience of pharmaceutical intervention myself of a family member, fully believe they would still be here today. What are people afraid of when it comes to “alternatives”? Why are the before natural remedies now the talk of witchcraft, but something made for profit by a massive organisation tied to government and forced upon you is the de facto standard?Blood transfusions, organ transplants, chemotherapy, a million different surgeries etc etc etc.
I’m guessing those whose lives who were saved, are “wedded” to the idea that pharmaceutical intervention was paramount to their health.
Of course eating quinoa and meditating may have cured them, but then again…
119 said:
jameswills said:
andyeds1234 said:
Ask anyone who would have died, had pharmaceutical intervention not been available?
Blood transfusions, organ transplants, chemotherapy, a million different surgeries etc etc etc.
I’m guessing those whose lives who were saved, are “wedded” to the idea that pharmaceutical intervention was paramount to their health.
Of course eating quinoa and meditating may have cured them, but then again…
I’ve had experience of pharmaceutical intervention myself of a family member, fully believe they would still be here today. What are people afraid of when it comes to “alternatives”? Why are the before natural remedies now the talk of witchcraft, but something made for profit by a massive organisation tied to government and forced upon you is the de facto standard?Blood transfusions, organ transplants, chemotherapy, a million different surgeries etc etc etc.
I’m guessing those whose lives who were saved, are “wedded” to the idea that pharmaceutical intervention was paramount to their health.
Of course eating quinoa and meditating may have cured them, but then again…
jameswills said:
andyeds1234 said:
Ask anyone who would have died, had pharmaceutical intervention not been available?
Blood transfusions, organ transplants, chemotherapy, a million different surgeries etc etc etc.
I’m guessing those whose lives who were saved, are “wedded” to the idea that pharmaceutical intervention was paramount to their health.
Of course eating quinoa and meditating may have cured them, but then again…
I’ve had experience of pharmaceutical intervention myself of a family member, fully believe they would still be here today. What are people afraid of when it comes to “alternatives”? Why are the before natural remedies now the talk of witchcraft, but something made for profit by a massive organisation tied to government and forced upon you is the de facto standard?Blood transfusions, organ transplants, chemotherapy, a million different surgeries etc etc etc.
I’m guessing those whose lives who were saved, are “wedded” to the idea that pharmaceutical intervention was paramount to their health.
Of course eating quinoa and meditating may have cured them, but then again…
The alternative health industry, also, isn’t driven by well meaning individuals, fighting big pharma, it’s a billion dollar industry, subject to the same greed and motivations as any other money orientated business. It’s like the Apple vs Android scenario, where some Android users seem to think they are free thinking radicals, who shun the overly corporate Apple products, whereas they are simply choosing the other side of a vastly profitable competitive scenario.
It would interesting if you lost a limb in an accident, or needed an organ transplant, or developed Cancer, if you would be so confident eschewing the tried and tested medical and pharmaceutical treatments, in favour of an “alternative” treatment.
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