CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)

[pavarotti1980]

119 said:

Hang on.

I thought it was all supposed to be being covered up?

Mass cover up in MSM.

[jameswills]

andyeds1234 said:

People aren’t afraid of “alternatives” they just tend to choose interventions which are proven to work.

The alternative health industry, also, isn’t driven by well meaning individuals, fighting big pharma, it’s a billion dollar industry, subject to the same greed and motivations as any other money orientated business. It’s like the Apple vs Android scenario, where some Android users seem to think they are free thinking radicals, who shun the overly corporate Apple products, whereas they are simply choosing the other side of a vastly profitable competitive scenario.

It would interesting if you lost a limb in an accident, or needed an organ transplant, or developed Cancer, if you would be so confident eschewing the tried and tested medical and pharmaceutical treatments, in favour of an “alternative” treatment.

I have never experienced what you talk of regarding the example of Android vs Apple, however how do you feel about someone who doesn’t have a phone at all?

Losing a limb? I dont think that has anything to do with modern medicine at all, and you won’t be surprised to hear that I am not sure cancer exists as we know it, or at the very least we can do anything at all about it that our bodies naturally can’t.

Tried and tested. Safe and effective. I do love these psychological programming mantras.

[Rollin]

jameswills said:

So, apparently these nasty conspiracy theorist scare viewers and erode trust in official bodies. Is that opposed to official bodies scaring the crap out of everyone with daily briefings and death figures no one can actually comprehend eroding their trust in their own capacity to live their own lives?

You'd have to be fking stupid to think they don't...You've been doing it too for the last few years along with the other usual doom-mongers and bullst spreaders.

jameswills said:

I can’t speak for the show, maybe that is what they do, but that’s not what normal folk who don’t subscribe to doing what the BBC tell them to do, they research, they listen to others, they think for themselves. Oddly never gets addressed.

It gets addressed all the time...you ignore it. Just because people aren't taken in by conmen like RFK jnr like you are, doesn't mean they are 'doing what the BBC tell them to do'. Get over yourself.
Funny how you don't trust the man but continually promote his book. Now you're onto the AIDS denialism...congratulations. Are you with RFK jnr that it was poppers and 'gay lifestyle' that caused it James? Bet you don't mention that in public do you?

jameswills said:

“Our brain’s quick and dirty threat assessment function”, yes that fight or flight instinct that keeps every single organism alive. Don’t trust that, trust the message. Trust the people that no one has ever said they trust, politicians.

And the final sentence is absolutely typical, always laugh when I hear this comment… “failing in life”. I’d love to hear your definition of that, it wasn’t quantified in this piece? We talk science and R numbers and absolutes that viruses exist, but no one has ever really quantified that. Maybe a starter for 10 for Monday?

Few snippets from the rest of it.

Living in such a state of anxiety that you are relying on 'fight or flight' for decision making should concern you...it's not healthy. Neither is trusting the message from the politician that wrote the book about Fauci. Don't look too deeply into his claims either eh....but must be true if he hasn't been sued

The 'failing in life' line is how CT sheeple refer to the less gullible. Just look at angry reggies posts.

[andyeds1234]

jameswills said:

andyeds1234 said:

People aren’t afraid of “alternatives” they just tend to choose interventions which are proven to work.

The alternative health industry, also, isn’t driven by well meaning individuals, fighting big pharma, it’s a billion dollar industry, subject to the same greed and motivations as any other money orientated business. It’s like the Apple vs Android scenario, where some Android users seem to think they are free thinking radicals, who shun the overly corporate Apple products, whereas they are simply choosing the other side of a vastly profitable competitive scenario.

It would interesting if you lost a limb in an accident, or needed an organ transplant, or developed Cancer, if you would be so confident eschewing the tried and tested medical and pharmaceutical treatments, in favour of an “alternative” treatment.

I have never experienced what you talk of regarding the example of Android vs Apple, however how do you feel about someone who doesn’t have a phone at all?

Losing a limb? I dont think that has anything to do with modern medicine at all, and you won’t be surprised to hear that I am not sure cancer exists as we know it, or at the very least we can do anything at all about it that our bodies naturally can’t.

Tried and tested. Safe and effective. I do love these psychological programming mantras.

No, I’m not in the least bit surprised that you don’t think cancer exists “as we know it”
Unfortunately, regardless of your beliefs, it will still kill you if left unchecked.

[Unreal]

119 said:

jameswills said:

andyeds1234 said:

Ask anyone who would have died, had pharmaceutical intervention not been available?
Blood transfusions, organ transplants, chemotherapy, a million different surgeries etc etc etc.
I’m guessing those whose lives who were saved, are “wedded” to the idea that pharmaceutical intervention was paramount to their health.

Of course eating quinoa and meditating may have cured them, but then again…

I’ve had experience of pharmaceutical intervention myself of a family member, fully believe they would still be here today. What are people afraid of when it comes to “alternatives”? Why are the before natural remedies now the talk of witchcraft, but something made for profit by a massive organisation tied to government and forced upon you is the de facto standard?

Apparently drinking bleach was also suggested as an alternative.

I think you might struggle with the source of that one without a convenient distortion of what was actually said.

I don't think you'll find evidence of anyone saying "drink bleach'" but you know that, don't you?

[jameswills]

r3g said:

jameswills said:

Stuff

You must have been particularly bored on a sunday afternoon to write all this in response to TRollin. And it was a complete waste of time

“You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it.” – Morpheus

Well….. you’ve been proven right

I gave it a go. Won’t again.

[jameswills]

andyeds1234 said:

No, I’m not in the least bit surprised that you don’t think cancer exists “as we know it”
Unfortunately, regardless of your beliefs, it will still kill you if left unchecked.

In my experience, if you “check it”, you’ll ensure you’ll die, but it will be well drawn out at the hands of the pharmaceutical industry. Growing up, I never knew cancer, it was never a thing. Grandparents grew old and died. Now everyone seems to get a diagnosis, then endure years of “treatment” before dying. Always “battling” of course.

It’s a trillion dollar industry. There’s even laws against alternative treatments. That smells.

[andyeds1234]

jameswills said:

andyeds1234 said:

No, I’m not in the least bit surprised that you don’t think cancer exists “as we know it”
Unfortunately, regardless of your beliefs, it will still kill you if left unchecked.

In my experience, if you “check it”, you’ll ensure you’ll die, but it will be well drawn out at the hands of the pharmaceutical industry. Growing up, I never knew cancer, it was never a thing. Grandparents grew old and died. Now everyone seems to get a diagnosis, then endure years of “treatment” before dying. Always “battling” of course.

It’s a trillion dollar industry. There’s even laws against alternative treatments. That smells.

This has to be a parody account. It simply has to be.
Well played sir.

I will now read your posts with the filter required to enjoy them.

Edited by andyeds1234 on Sunday 12th May 20:17

[isaldiri]

Elysium said:

Superlightr has provided some examples of deaths caused by the COVID vaccines.

Whilst this is not data illustrating large scale harm. It is evidence of significant adverse impact on individuals.

Is it clear now that the coercion and mandates were wrong?

I trust that was a rhetorical question on your part as you didn't actually think you're going to get a reply or an actual discussion right? It's much easier just to drop digs at some of the more extreme posters and try your best to lump everyone critical as being one and the same rather than to actually like discuss anything (the horror!). After all, more often than not these days, it seems discussion on nearly anything where people have strong opinions quickly degenerates into entrenched sides simply sniping and insulting each other and posting mainly to get 'likes' on their side more than anything else by getting a pile on by 'their' side.

[BigMon]

jameswills said:

In my experience, if you “check it”, you’ll ensure you’ll die, but it will be well drawn out at the hands of the pharmaceutical industry. Growing up, I never knew cancer, it was never a thing. Grandparents grew old and died. Now everyone seems to get a diagnosis, then endure years of “treatment” before dying. Always “battling” of course.

It’s a trillion dollar industry. There’s even laws against alternative treatments. That smells.

James, come on now. This is bonkers thinking and simply not true. My Grandma (who was born in the early part of the 20th century) had a throat cancer removed when she was a young woman.

For the love of god, if you get cancer (and it goes without saying I hope you never do) please, please, please do not go down the 'quackery' route and seek medical intervention.

By all means try alternative therapies alongside conventional ones (if there is no harm done doing that) but you are going down a very dangerous route indeed if you start down that path.

[Rollin]

jameswills said:

r3g said:

jameswills said:

Stuff

You must have been particularly bored on a sunday afternoon to write all this in response to TRollin. And it was a complete waste of time

“You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it.” – Morpheus

Well….. you’ve been proven right

I gave it a go. Won’t again.

You really don't need to.

[jameswills]

BigMon said:

James, come on now. This is bonkers thinking and simply not true. My Grandma (who was born in the early part of the 20th century) had a throat cancer removed when she was a young woman.

For the love of god, if you get cancer (and it goes without saying I hope you never do) please, please, please do not go down the 'quackery' route and seek medical intervention.

By all means try alternative therapies alongside conventional ones (if there is no harm done doing that) but you are going down a very dangerous route indeed if you start down that path.

Removal of tumours is a different thing entirely. The survival rate for “cancer” treatment involving the likes of radiation therapy and chemo is very low, and it is skewed because patients end up dying (slowly) of all manner of problems due to the smashing of the immune system.

Believe me thanks to past experiences, I’ve so much experience in this, you won’t convince me otherwise.

Look up Cancer Act 1939. That’s a cabal led doctrine. Much like vaccinations.

Edited by jameswills on Sunday 12th May 20:40

[Slagathore]

g3org3y said:

He pretty much nails a lot of points that keep coming up on this thread.

Also very telling that the special ones have come to this thread and completely ignored it. No doubt he's on their "CTist" list as he didn't regurgitate the position of "The Science" which was blanket vaccination for everything that moves.

I really do wonder where this will end, if the evidence keeps showing risk/benefit doesn't add up and the coerced millions who didn't need it to take it.

As he says in the video, it's a taboo/career suicide for scientists to be researching this and producing papers that go against "The Science" of the pandemic.

Feel like there's too much ego/money/pride at stake for it to get the proper funding and studies it deserves.

[BigMon]

jameswills said:

Removal of tumours is a different thing entirely. The survival rate for “cancer” treatment involving the likes of radiation therapy and chemo is very low, and it is skewed because patients end up dying (slowly) of all manner of problems due to the smashing of the immune system.

Believe me thanks to past experiences, I’ve so much experience in this, you won’t convince me otherwise.

Look up Cancer Act 1939. That’s a cabal led doctrine. Much like vaccinations.

Edited by jameswills on Sunday 12th May 20:40

I am genuinely sorry you feel like that. I think if your level of distrust of the medical profession is so profound then I honestly don't know what to say.

[r3g]

BigMon said:

I am genuinely sorry you feel like that. I think if your level of distrust of the medical profession is so profound then I honestly don't know what to say.

I can only assume you missed off the sarc tags from that sentennce, considering the last 4.5 years. If you didn't, then let me join you in being lost for words.

[BigMon]

r3g said:

I can only assume you missed off the sarc tags from that sentennce, considering the last 4.5 years. If you didn't, then let me join you in being lost for words.

There is zero point engaging with you, you are already lost. I don't engage with Jehovah's Witnesses for similar reasons.

My hope is that James isn't, and might be brought back from the brink.

[r3g]

BigMon said:

r3g said:

I can only assume you missed off the sarc tags from that sentennce, considering the last 4.5 years. If you didn't, then let me join you in being lost for words.

There is zero point engaging with you, you are already lost. I don't engage with Jehovah's Witnesses for similar reasons.

The feeling's mutual - the same reason why I rarely engage seriously with the covid cultists like yourself. It's like trying to convince a religious nutjob that God doesn't exist. Just goes in one ear and straight out of the other. Keep on taking your life-saving shots every year like big daddy tells you. Albert and co. will be extremely grateful to you, tyvm. They know what's best and everything is definitely legit, they have your good health and well-being as their top priority .

[Elysium]

isaldiri said:

Elysium said:

Superlightr has provided some examples of deaths caused by the COVID vaccines.

Whilst this is not data illustrating large scale harm. It is evidence of significant adverse impact on individuals.

Is it clear now that the coercion and mandates were wrong?

I trust that was a rhetorical question on your part as you didn't actually think you're going to get a reply or an actual discussion right? It's much easier just to drop digs at some of the more extreme posters and try your best to lump everyone critical as being one and the same rather than to actually like discuss anything (the horror!). After all, more often than not these days, it seems discussion on nearly anything where people have strong opinions quickly degenerates into entrenched sides simply sniping and insulting each other and posting mainly to get 'likes' on their side more than anything else by getting a pile on by 'their' side.

[andyA700]

superlightr said:

andyeds1234 said:

superlightr said:

pavarotti1980 said:

r3g said:

The links to the stories and news articles have been regularly shared by myself and others throughout the volumes of these threads. They are all still there for the reading, but as history has shown, you are simply not interested unless the URL starts with www.bbc. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Well post them all up. I couldn't care less if it doesn't start with BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-58330796
A radio presenter died due to complications from the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, a coroner has found.

Lisa Shaw, who worked for BBC Radio Newcastle, died at the age of 44 in May after developing headaches a week after getting her first dose of the vaccine.

Newcastle coroner Karen Dilks heard Ms Shaw suffered blood clots in the brain which ultimately led to her death.





https://www.msn.com/en-za/health/other/man-28-who-...
A healthy 28-year-old man who died after being wrongly given the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine was told to 'count yourself lucky' when he was given it.

Alex Reid, an operations controller from Leeds, 'did not understand why' he was invited to get the vaccination early in March 2021 as a man in his late 20s who was otherwise healthy.

But he was given the AstraZeneca (AZ) vaccine just weeks before the government warned that people under the age of 30 should be given an alternative jab because the AZ shot was linked with an increased risk of blood clots.

Tragically, he died three months later.

Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:47

A man died of a blood clot that was a "direct result" of having the AstraZeneca Covid jab, a coroner said.

Jack Last, 27, from Stowmarket, was vaccinated on 30 March 2021 and a week later was admitted to hospital after experiencing headaches and sickness.

A scan on 10 April revealed a cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) and he died 10 days later.

Senior coroner Nigel Parsley recorded a narrative conclusion at Suffolk Coroner's Court.

He said: "Jack Last died of a blood clot to the brain, caused as a direct result of his body's reaction to the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccination which he had received on March 30, 2021."

Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:49

'Healthy' doctor, 32, died after rare severe reaction to AstraZeneca COVID jab, coroner concludes
Dr Stephen Wright, of Sevenoaks, Kent, was one of a small number of people to have had a severe reaction to the jab in what the coroner described as a "very unusual and deeply tragic case".

Wednesday 19 April 2023 18:21, UK




A woman who died from "unrecognised" complications after having a Covid-19 vaccine was wrongly diagnosed with gastroenteritis, a coroner has said.

An inquest heard Michelle Barlow developed blood clots and died 16 days after having the AstraZeneca jab.

Senior coroner Timothy Brennand said the 51-year-old, from Orrell, Wigan, may have received "sub-optimal care".

Wrightington, Wigan and Leigh Teaching Hospitals Trust said her treatment was "in line with appropriate guidance".

The inquest heard mother-of-two Mrs Barlow first went to Royal Albert Edward Infirmary in Wigan with flu-like "side effects" on 19 March, 12 days after getting a vaccine at a mass vaccination centre at Robin Park, Wigan.

Her husband Ian told Bolton Coroner's Court she felt "fobbed off" and was discharged, but returned the next day and was admitted, doctors suspecting gastroenteritis.

Three days later, Mr Barlow got a phone call from a nurse telling him to get to the hospital as soon as possible.






holy cow batman - thats just from 5mins of searching. Bit more vivid when you have a face to a name to a death and these are what a coroner has agreed is from adverse reactions to the vaccine. What about the ones that slipped the net or are injured or simply didnt get reported? Shocking.

Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:53

Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:55

Holy cow indeed.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/daily-...

That was just from 10 seconds of searching.

Aspirin is a ticking timebomb, it’s an experimental drug etc etc.
I will never take an aspirin, and I can confidently say my choice was correct, based on those terrifying statistics.

Don’t get me started on peanuts.

“Somewhere around 150 to 200 people die in the U.S. each year because of food allergies. It's estimated that around 50 percent to 62 percent of those fatal cases of anaphylaxis were caused by peanut allergies”

Big peanut have a lot to answer for.

Edit: oh my goodness, I just stumbled across this, after just 5 more minutes on google.

https://news.sky.com/story/lost-to-covid-19-the-fa...

https://www.nbcnews.com/coronavirus-remembering-li...

https://time.com/6167025/one-millon-deaths-covid-1...

Apparently 100s and 100s of thousands of people died from this “Covid19” !!

If only there was pharmaceutical treatment, with a tiny %age of side effects, that could have helped those poor people!

Edited by andyeds1234 on Sunday 12th May 16:52

- nothing to see here is there. oh look peanuts.

funny eh? words fail me.

People like him do think it is funny or worse still - irrelevant. People like myself, who have been vaccine injured (AZ batch 46664 27th Feb 2021) don't think it is funny, because I know thousands of people who are in the same position as me and nobody is doing anything to help us.

[andyA700]

BigMon said:

jameswills said:

In my experience, if you “check it”, you’ll ensure you’ll die, but it will be well drawn out at the hands of the pharmaceutical industry. Growing up, I never knew cancer, it was never a thing. Grandparents grew old and died. Now everyone seems to get a diagnosis, then endure years of “treatment” before dying. Always “battling” of course.

It’s a trillion dollar industry. There’s even laws against alternative treatments. That smells.

James, come on now. This is bonkers thinking and simply not true. My Grandma (who was born in the early part of the 20th century) had a throat cancer removed when she was a young woman.

For the love of god, if you get cancer (and it goes without saying I hope you never do) please, please, please do not go down the 'quackery' route and seek medical intervention.

By all means try alternative therapies alongside conventional ones (if there is no harm done doing that) but you are going down a very dangerous route indeed if you start down that path.

Sadly, I think James has some very disturbing issues. I have lost several family members to cancer and one dear friend in their twenties, something which you don't forget. I have a skin cancer on my lower right arm, which was treated around ten years ago, then returned in June 2020. In 2021, a doctor at my surgery, said that he didn't believe it was a cancer (despite the previous history). Two months ago, I saw another doctor and he said I had to get it seen to ASAP. The consultant said it definitely was a skin cancer.