I predict a massive financial case next 5 years

I predict a massive financial case next 5 years

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Ken_Code

764 posts

3 months

Sunday 12th May
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soupdragon1 said:
Yes it is. Unless of course you are being the arbiter of the English language, in which case, who put you there?
In twenty-odd years in trading I’ve never heard it being used.

soupdragon1

4,098 posts

98 months

Sunday 12th May
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Ken_Code said:
soupdragon1 said:
Yes it is. Unless of course you are being the arbiter of the English language, in which case, who put you there?
In twenty-odd years in trading I’ve never heard it being used.
Yeah, that's why I confirmed the term a couple of posts ago. Okgo basically followed up by saying a boom is not a thing. Are we going to get into a discussion about language terms now, as the overall meaning is pretty clear, no?

Forester1965

1,793 posts

4 months

Sunday 12th May
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For the problem is the debt has moved from corporate to state. There isn't the room to print money and there isn't the prosperity to wipe out the debt through taxes. The US government sits there
Building $3tn a year on top of the $34tn debt hoping for what?

Considering it's not planning to use inflation to kill it, and prosperity's unlikely to dent it, you have to be worried about what the 'what is'.

There's a reason governments both sides of the Atlantic are dropping hints about us being in a pre-war environment. Ukraine and Taiwan are totems not reasons.

Mr Whippy

29,108 posts

242 months

Sunday 12th May
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Melting things generally enter a liquid state and as such will be subject to gravity pulling it down.

Thus melt-down.

Or a melt-down being a terrible event of a nuclear reactor, and being used as a terrible event generally like a rapid stock price fall.


I’m not sure how something would melt up unless it’s something lighter than air in it’s liquid state like hydrogen but then if exposed to air it’d just “evaporate-up”

Hmmm

CoolHands

18,771 posts

196 months

Sunday 12th May
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soupdragon1 said:
okgo said:
Melt up is not a thing.
Yes it is. Unless of course you are being the arbiter of the English language, in which case, who put you there?
I’ve never heard it and it sounds stupid

okgo

38,256 posts

199 months

Sunday 12th May
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CoolHands said:
I’ve never heard it and it sounds stupid
hehe

Also, on topic, where have you seen the 7000 chat about SPY?

Caddyshack

10,996 posts

207 months

Sunday 12th May
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Melt up makes no sense at all to me (30 yrs in financial services)

leef44

4,465 posts

154 months

Sunday 12th May
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Caddyshack said:
Melt up makes no sense at all to me (30 yrs in financial services)
or could use other counter-intuitive phrase like:

sinking up
drowning up
dripping up
dropping up
falling up
diving up
jester

NowWatchThisDrive

704 posts

105 months

Sunday 12th May
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Crikey, give the guy a break. It's rather CNBC-esque and not the best analogy, but not exactly an uncommon turn of phrase in financial press in recent years.

NickZ24

168 posts

68 months

Sunday 12th May
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There are voices calling that stock market melt town is upon us.
https://archive.ph/wkcH6
How far who knows.

A lot of companies went to enlist in the US stock market, Server companies.
That many shares are over valued is quite clear.
Hoster goes belly up and many sites drop off.


alscar

4,254 posts

214 months

Sunday 12th May
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NowWatchThisDrive said:
Crikey, give the guy a break. It's rather CNBC-esque and not the best analogy, but not exactly an uncommon turn of phrase in financial press in recent years.
Melt down is a fairly common phrase.
Melt up , until now I have never in my life heard it used by anyone for anything.
It just doesn’t make sense.

98elise

26,761 posts

162 months

Sunday 12th May
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alscar said:
NowWatchThisDrive said:
Crikey, give the guy a break. It's rather CNBC-esque and not the best analogy, but not exactly an uncommon turn of phrase in financial press in recent years.
Melt down is a fairly common phrase.
Melt up , until now I have never in my life heard it used by anyone for anything.
It just doesn’t make sense.
Same here. Been trading for decades and this thread is the first time I've heard the term. Melt down is a well known phrase as you say, in all walks of life.

PM3

716 posts

61 months

Sunday 12th May
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Mr Whippy said:
Melting things generally enter a liquid state and as such will be subject to gravity pulling it down.

Thus melt-down.

Or a melt-down being a terrible event of a nuclear reactor, and being used as a terrible event generally like a rapid stock price fall.


I’m not sure how something would melt up unless it’s something lighter than air in it’s liquid state like hydrogen but then if exposed to air it’d just “evaporate-up”

Hmmm
Sublimation ? : I.e. heat causing material to change phase from solid to gas with no interim liquid phase.

Of course none of this explains the stupid use of "melt-up"

okgo

38,256 posts

199 months

Sunday 12th May
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I’m actually going to back-peddle here - I’ve googled it and it DOES actually mean something in financial circles.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/melt-up.asp#:...


PM3

716 posts

61 months

Sunday 12th May
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Internet also has many examples how to prove 2+2=7

( back-pedal )

Edited by PM3 on Sunday 12th May 17:03

Caddyshack

10,996 posts

207 months

Sunday 12th May
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okgo said:
I’m actually going to back-peddle here - I’ve googled it and it DOES actually mean something in financial circles.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/melt-up.asp#:...
How about that! Apologies to the poster from me.

bitchstewie

51,678 posts

211 months

Sunday 12th May
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NickZ24 said:
There are voices calling that stock market melt town is upon us.
https://archive.ph/wkcH6
How far who knows.

A lot of companies went to enlist in the US stock market, Server companies.
That many shares are over valued is quite clear.
Hoster goes belly up and many sites drop off.

Hussman also runs funds.

If you look at the returns trust me you wouldn't want to have been anywhere near them the past ten or so years.

He's a stopped clock.

Caddyshack

10,996 posts

207 months

Sunday 12th May
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10 pages long and the thread only actually has 2 posts from the original poster, is that normal?

NickZ24

168 posts

68 months

Sunday 12th May
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bhstewie said:
Hussman also runs funds.

If you look at the returns trust me you wouldn't want to have been anywhere near them the past ten or so years.

He's a stopped clock.
In all fairness businessinsider mentioned already the critical component on the narrative:

businessinsider.com said:
If Hussman's measure of market conditions is to be believed, he's absolutely right.
In his May 6 market comment, Hussman — the president of the Hussman Investment Trust who called the 2000 and 2008 stock market crashes — said that current market conditions are more ripe for a "major" peak than virtually any time over the last 100 years. His proprietary measure, the "cluster proximity score," considers inputs like investor sentiment, stock valuations, and fundamental, technical, and cyclical indicators.
Some stocks in the most popular stock-exchanges are quite high.
I wonder when capital turns to emerging markets to park their money there.
Most important factor is not being too connected to the world stream of Money.

bitchstewie

51,678 posts

211 months

Sunday 12th May
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This is what listening to Hussman would have done for your wealth.



There will always be permabears and people warning of an impending crash.

That guy has spent ten years telling anyone who would listen that the sky is falling in and if you listened and invested in his fund it would have lost you 4% a year whilst the S&P would have returned nearly 13% a year.

Be careful who you listen to.

Reality is nobody knows what will happen and when.