Private schools, times a changing?
Discussion
Ken_Code said:
When equivocating about which way to go for my eldest one of the questions I asked was what the money was actually going on.
Finding out that 30% of the fee was paying for other well-off people’s children to get a subsidised place was definitely a negative.
I do wonder if the tax changes will see bursaries being cut back or dropped entirely.
I would expect Bursaries & scholarships will still be available, but some will be much smaller. That said some Independent schools will have specific funds that were given or left to them which are ring-fenced for assisted places.Finding out that 30% of the fee was paying for other well-off people’s children to get a subsidised place was definitely a negative.
I do wonder if the tax changes will see bursaries being cut back or dropped entirely.
NDA said:
They will - they are a real cost and drastic cost savings are being planned. Some schools will also remove the free access to sports facilities to state schools too.
Indeed. My own school has, for a number of years, admitted pupils from any state school in East Anglia to it's highly regarded Oxbridge preparation programme. This is a two year programme that runs from the end of GCSEs to the start of A levels and focuses on all aspects of maximising chances of Oxbridge entry. It is highly resource intensive and expensive to run. Over nearly 20 years it has enabled literally dozens of state school kids to maximise their potential and make it to Oxbridge. It is also exactly the sort of thing the school will have to cut back on if they see an appreciable drop in pupil numbers &, therefore, income
ClaphamGT3 said:
NDA said:
They will - they are a real cost and drastic cost savings are being planned. Some schools will also remove the free access to sports facilities to state schools too.
Indeed. My own school has, for a number of years, admitted pupils from any state school in East Anglia to it's highly regarded Oxbridge preparation programme. This is a two year programme that runs from the end of GCSEs to the start of A levels and focuses on all aspects of maximising chances of Oxbridge entry. It is highly resource intensive and expensive to run. Over nearly 20 years it has enabled literally dozens of state school kids to maximise their potential and make it to Oxbridge. It is also exactly the sort of thing the school will have to cut back on if they see an appreciable drop in pupil numbers &, therefore, income
dukeboy749r said:
My son’s school has just had a fundraising campaign, specifically for new sixth form bursaries.
I’m happy to be able to contribute, even a very modest amount, to enable some students, who couldn’t otherwise attend, be able to do so.
This deserves recognition. Thanks for helping out others - great gesture to make. I’m happy to be able to contribute, even a very modest amount, to enable some students, who couldn’t otherwise attend, be able to do so.
I know that the school my son attends has a real spirit of community about it. Pupils from decades ago regularly donate to the school and help others out. The school was founded 300 years ago as a charity. It would be a great shame if something that works and is valued, is hurt by modern politics.
ClaphamGT3 said:
NDA said:
They will - they are a real cost and drastic cost savings are being planned. Some schools will also remove the free access to sports facilities to state schools too.
Indeed. My own school has, for a number of years, admitted pupils from any state school in East Anglia to it's highly regarded Oxbridge preparation programme. This is a two year programme that runs from the end of GCSEs to the start of A levels and focuses on all aspects of maximising chances of Oxbridge entry. It is highly resource intensive and expensive to run. Over nearly 20 years it has enabled literally dozens of state school kids to maximise their potential and make it to Oxbridge. It is also exactly the sort of thing the school will have to cut back on if they see an appreciable drop in pupil numbers &, therefore, income
In the grand scheme of things this is tiny and might actually have an overall negative outcome on the basis of depriving state schools of some of their most able pupils. The private schools aren't doing this out of philanthropy, clever class mates are part of the product as is school success at sports and academic competition.
Notreallymeeither said:
My daughters (14 and 12) are coming up to the important years (GCSEs next year for the elder one) so unless something really bad happens to my earning potential there is no way I will be changing their school. This will come at a cost to me (fees are £5k a term each so £30k a year - meaning £6k VAT potentially).
That £500 a month is basically any discretionary spend I have - so the local economy and other areas I spend that discretionary spend on will not benefit by this amount.
It will instead go in to central coffers for use in whatever fantastic way the government decides (which is great, as governments of both colour have been exceptional in how they invest taxpayer money…….)
I am sure sad violins will be playing loudly for me - but I won’t be getting a new bathroom done or going to the local pub or buying any new items in town or getting Indian takeaways etc. Whilst one person won’t have much impact, multiply that impact by however many parents will be in a similar squeezed position (most of them I suspect) and you can see that spending in to the local economy by the slightly higher earners is going to take a nosedive.
and thats not thinking about those who cant afford the extra, so then put the kids in a state school, and we all know how well they are coping with numbers already!!!That £500 a month is basically any discretionary spend I have - so the local economy and other areas I spend that discretionary spend on will not benefit by this amount.
It will instead go in to central coffers for use in whatever fantastic way the government decides (which is great, as governments of both colour have been exceptional in how they invest taxpayer money…….)
I am sure sad violins will be playing loudly for me - but I won’t be getting a new bathroom done or going to the local pub or buying any new items in town or getting Indian takeaways etc. Whilst one person won’t have much impact, multiply that impact by however many parents will be in a similar squeezed position (most of them I suspect) and you can see that spending in to the local economy by the slightly higher earners is going to take a nosedive.
Edited by Notreallymeeither on Monday 6th May 13:34
Edited by Notreallymeeither on Monday 6th May 13:36
how much is that going to cost the tax payer.
Talksteer said:
At a whole sector level 7.4% of pupils receive some sort of means tested bursary, 1.74% pupils get their full fees paid. That is 0.5% and 0.01% of all pupils
In the grand scheme of things this is tiny and might actually have an overall negative outcome on the basis of depriving state schools of some of their most able pupils. The private schools aren't doing this out of philanthropy, clever class mates are part of the product as is school success at sports and academic competition.
Given the propensity for parents with money to use private schooling to try to compensate for their children’s lack of intellect that’s a good point.In the grand scheme of things this is tiny and might actually have an overall negative outcome on the basis of depriving state schools of some of their most able pupils. The private schools aren't doing this out of philanthropy, clever class mates are part of the product as is school success at sports and academic competition.
gareth h said:
Er, they’re compensating for the governments lack of investment in the state schooling system!
Not really. The most intelligent children will succeed whichever school they go to, it’s the rest who need the extra help that private schools provide.The entire point of private schools is to take less capable children and make them seem clever.
Ken_Code said:
Not really. The most intelligent children will succeed whichever school they go to, it’s the rest who need the extra help that private schools provide.
The entire point of private schools is to take less capable children and make them seem clever.
Of course it is Ken, of course.The entire point of private schools is to take less capable children and make them seem clever.
TUS373 said:
dukeboy749r said:
My son’s school has just had a fundraising campaign, specifically for new sixth form bursaries.
I’m happy to be able to contribute, even a very modest amount, to enable some students, who couldn’t otherwise attend, be able to do so.
This deserves recognition. Thanks for helping out others - great gesture to make. I’m happy to be able to contribute, even a very modest amount, to enable some students, who couldn’t otherwise attend, be able to do so.
I know that the school my son attends has a real spirit of community about it. Pupils from decades ago regularly donate to the school and help others out. The school was founded 300 years ago as a charity. It would be a great shame if something that works and is valued, is hurt by modern politics.
Ken_Code said:
gareth h said:
Er, they’re compensating for the governments lack of investment in the state schooling system!
Not really. The most intelligent children will succeed whichever school they go to, it’s the rest who need the extra help that private schools provide.The entire point of private schools is to take less capable children and make them seem clever.
Tom8 said:
Ken_Code said:
gareth h said:
Er, they’re compensating for the governments lack of investment in the state schooling system!
Not really. The most intelligent children will succeed whichever school they go to, it’s the rest who need the extra help that private schools provide.The entire point of private schools is to take less capable children and make them seem clever.
Although I agree that intelligent children are likely to succeed anywhere, my experience of the comprehensive system is that they are sometimes sandbagged by children that aren’t so bright or can’t be bothered. So they are held back.
Perhaps this is what Grammar schools addressed.
Tom8 said:
Based on your own rationale, you would have greatly benefited from one.
How so? I went from my state comprehensive to Oxford, on to CERN and have a good career in investment banking.I don’t really see that a private school could have seen me doing any better than that.
If my children were ever to struggle at school I’d happily pay for them to go private, but they are doing very well, so there’s no need.
Ken_Code said:
How so? I went from my state comprehensive to Oxford, on to CERN and have a good career in investment banking.
I don’t really see that a private school could have seen me doing any better than that.
If my children were ever to struggle at school I’d happily pay for them to go private, but they are doing very well, so there’s no need.
Oxford and Cambridge actively discriminate against private school applicants these days so you are probably correct on that assumption.I don’t really see that a private school could have seen me doing any better than that.
If my children were ever to struggle at school I’d happily pay for them to go private, but they are doing very well, so there’s no need.
As for the other drivel about sending kids to private school so they appear less stupid is for the birds, just comes across as another chip on shoulder comment based on personal prejudice.
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