Will VAR Change Football for the Better?
Discussion
Glassman said:
Interesting moment in the RM v BM game last night.
The Bayern goal looked onside, yet was ruled to be off. Was it not awarded because the whistle had blown between the flag going up and the shot?
It was certainly very tight. But the linesman had flagged and the Real players had consequently stopped. The Lineman was wrong to flag at that point and hadn't done so all game. It's a human error. But it does "flag up" (sorry) the stupid concept behind VAR that you can eradicate human error, you can't. you really can't. But you have had to change the laws to try to make the game fit into VAR. But next week that linesman could be running the line in a game without VAR and he then has to flag immediately.The Bayern goal looked onside, yet was ruled to be off. Was it not awarded because the whistle had blown between the flag going up and the shot?
On the subject of the driving force behind VAR. It isn't the fans. In my experience fans love to discuss contentious issues after the match. It is the millimetre fine dissection of decisions by pundits and commentators on TV that drove it. It's hateful and ruins the game in so many ways but not least for the experience of the fans in the stadium who aren't even allowed to see the video upon which the decisions are made.
Bluevanman said:
The "disallowed" Bayern goal wasn't because of VAR but because of human error.
The Real winner was because VAR worked.
How many games/cups/titles have been lost due to human error!The Real winner was because VAR worked.
If VAR can get the referee to have a look at the pitch-side monitor and review his on-field decision, are they saying a lino can make a wrong call but it's play on due it being a human error?
Glassman said:
How many games/cups/titles have been lost due to human error!
If VAR can get the referee to have a look at the pitch-side monitor and review his on-field decision, are they saying a lino can make a wrong call but it's play on due it being a human error?
The referee had stopped play BEFORE the goal was scored.You can't reverse the decision If VAR can get the referee to have a look at the pitch-side monitor and review his on-field decision, are they saying a lino can make a wrong call but it's play on due it being a human error?
Bluevanman said:
Glassman said:
How many games/cups/titles have been lost due to human error!
If VAR can get the referee to have a look at the pitch-side monitor and review his on-field decision, are they saying a lino can make a wrong call but it's play on due it being a human error?
The referee had stopped play BEFORE the goal was scored.You can't reverse the decision If VAR can get the referee to have a look at the pitch-side monitor and review his on-field decision, are they saying a lino can make a wrong call but it's play on due it being a human error?
Glassman said:
I was referring to the linesman. Referee blew after seeing his flag.
The offside was extremely tight .You can't blame the linesman for getting it wrong,you can blame him for putting his flag up too early.Again,VAR can't change the decision because the referee has blown his whistle before the goal.Glassman said:
How many games/cups/titles have been lost due to human error!
Not a single, solitary one.Every game lost by a team was won by another, sometimes lesser team.
For me, that punchers chance is why football was just about the best spectator sport as there were no foregone conclusions.
I don’t want the best team to win every time. The theatre is half the draw.
Regards it being pundits fault we have had VAR inflicted, I disagree. Pundits just play the role of televised fan, discussing the same incidents you would on the coach home or in the pub afterwards for the benefit of the fan who doesn’t go to the games.
Bleating managers with short memories crying about being sacked one year into a five year deal (but still being paid) because of refereeing decisions was why. Sorrowful losers rants about how there is too much at stake to leave it to one flawed official in the middle of the park.
Conveniently ignoring that football is only worth what it is because it is fun to watch.
Fun that has been removed from the game, by whatever degree, following the introduction of VAR.
CLK-GTR said:
Wrong protocol followed but right decision overall. I've less of an issue with that than the blatantly wrong decisions we get in the Premier League every week because of the way they've set it up here.
I don't think it was the right decision overall. Unless you mean the Madrid winner which VAR correctly deemed offside.
If you mean the Bayern "equaliser", I'm sure he was onside.
GloverMart said:
I don't think it was the right decision overall.
Unless you mean the Madrid winner which VAR correctly deemed offside.
If you mean the Bayern "equaliser", I'm sure he was onside.
The Bayern goal looked offside to me. I think all the decisions were correct but the linesman should not have flagged before the play ended.Unless you mean the Madrid winner which VAR correctly deemed offside.
If you mean the Bayern "equaliser", I'm sure he was onside.
Rumblestripe said:
It was certainly very tight. But the linesman had flagged and the Real players had consequently stopped. .
If they stopped because they saw a flag, more fool them. A linesman's flag is an indicator to the ref, nothing more. The game proceeds until the ref blows his whistle, which he did. That was the error, the ref blowing his whistle before the goal had been scored. But he did, so there was no point in going to review the decision. The ref made the decision during play, end of story. Unfortunate but errors happen. Just like Tuchel taking Harry Kane off when Munich were just 1 goal up. Stupid error, but he did it anyway.
Bluevanman said:
Glassman said:
I was referring to the linesman. Referee blew after seeing his flag.
The offside was extremely tight .You can't blame the linesman for getting it wrong,you can blame him for putting his flag up too early.Again,VAR can't change the decision because the referee has blown his whistle before the goal.I'd hoped for more tolerance, otherwise it just replaces "your toe is offside when we drew these (wiggly) lines" with "Your toe was offside. Free kick. Play resumes. Bam!"
Yes it's a bit quicker. But it means people's gripes (close decisions ala this one and the Cov goal vs Utd) will continue.
Is there any traction / desire amongst the clubs for the Wenger rule or something like that, where if any part of your body is onside, you're on? (If there was, would they be able to vote it in?)
Are the clubs allowed to vote VAR out, or not?
johnboy1975 said:
Wasn't it "semi automated" - the system coming to the prem in August.
I'd hoped for more tolerance, otherwise it just replaces "your toe is offside when we drew these (wiggly) lines" with "Your toe was offside. Free kick. Play resumes. Bam!"
Yes it's a bit quicker. But it means people's gripes (close decisions ala this one and the Cov goal vs Utd) will continue.
Is there any traction / desire amongst the clubs for the Wenger rule or something like that, where if any part of your body is onside, you're on? (If there was, would they be able to vote it in?)
Are the clubs allowed to vote VAR out, or not?
The automated system wouldn't help here.The goal wouldn't have stood even if they'd gone to VAR because the whistle went before the goal was scored,that means the game was stopped before the goal.I'd hoped for more tolerance, otherwise it just replaces "your toe is offside when we drew these (wiggly) lines" with "Your toe was offside. Free kick. Play resumes. Bam!"
Yes it's a bit quicker. But it means people's gripes (close decisions ala this one and the Cov goal vs Utd) will continue.
Is there any traction / desire amongst the clubs for the Wenger rule or something like that, where if any part of your body is onside, you're on? (If there was, would they be able to vote it in?)
Are the clubs allowed to vote VAR out, or not?
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Frimley111R said:
They can put pressure on the FA but it world be a huge step backwards to remove VAR.
Why? Taking a step backwards when you realise you've taken a step in completely the wrong direction is not really taking a backwards step, it's heading back in the right direction. VAR has solved nothing.
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