Will VAR Change Football for the Better?
Discussion
Bluevanman said:
The automated system wouldn't help here.The goal wouldn't have stood even if they'd gone to VAR because the whistle went before the goal was scored,that means the game was stopped before the goal.
I was saying the automated system was in place. Is that not the case? (It should be I think for UEFA competitions)I would assume the protocol is the same as in the PL, ref knows to let play develop and only whistle when the chance has been scored / cleared / missed etc
So as such the ref is at fault. Also possibly the lino for flagging early if it's the same rules as the prem
Hilarious watching a couple of blogs today. Harry Symeou (Arsenal fan) saying it wasn't that big a deal cos RM stopped playing at the whistle and BM might not have scored so it's all a nothing burger. Try giving one like that against Arsenal in a pivotal game and see what happens:
(We're back to tribalism again)
johnboy1975 said:
I was saying the automated system was in place. Is that not the case? (It should be I think for UEFA competitions)
I would assume the protocol is the same as in the PL, ref knows to let play develop and only whistle when the chance has been scored / cleared / missed etc
So as such the ref is at fault. Also possibly the lino for flagging early if it's the same rules as the prem
Hilarious watching a couple of blogs today. Harry Symeou (Arsenal fan) saying it wasn't that big a deal cos RM stopped playing at the whistle and BM might not have scored so it's all a nothing burger. Try giving one like that against Arsenal in a pivotal game and see what happens:
(We're back to tribalism again)
I've already explained,the linesman flagged too early and the ref whistled too soon.There was no point involving the automated system,it couldn't change the outcome, even if it said he was onside the ref couldn't have given the goal because he stopped play before it went in the net .I would assume the protocol is the same as in the PL, ref knows to let play develop and only whistle when the chance has been scored / cleared / missed etc
So as such the ref is at fault. Also possibly the lino for flagging early if it's the same rules as the prem
Hilarious watching a couple of blogs today. Harry Symeou (Arsenal fan) saying it wasn't that big a deal cos RM stopped playing at the whistle and BM might not have scored so it's all a nothing burger. Try giving one like that against Arsenal in a pivotal game and see what happens:
(We're back to tribalism again)
The automated system.... actually semi automatic is the correct term ...is really just a backup for on field decisions that are very close
Call me old fashioned, but if you're feet are level with the defender as the attacker but any part of your body is in front, you're still on side as you need your feet to propel you onto the ball you're chasing. VAR has completely f
ked football for supporters that go and watch matches live as we don't have a clue what's going on when a goal is scored, we will still celebrate and then (well me at least) will think oh st is this actually going to stand or get chalked off. Luckily my team hasn't been scoring many recently for that to be too much of a concern 
ked football for supporters that go and watch matches live as we don't have a clue what's going on when a goal is scored, we will still celebrate and then (well me at least) will think oh st is this actually going to stand or get chalked off. Luckily my team hasn't been scoring many recently for that to be too much of a concern BrabusMog said:
Call me old fashioned, but if you're feet are level with the defender as the attacker but any part of your body is in front, you're still on side as you need your feet to propel you onto the ball you're chasing.
That's not old fashioned because that's never been the law. Old fashioned would be harking back to an earlier time, not making up a brand new law that we've never had. TwigtheWonderkid said:
BrabusMog said:
Call me old fashioned, but if you're feet are level with the defender as the attacker but any part of your body is in front, you're still on side as you need your feet to propel you onto the ball you're chasing.
That's not old fashioned because that's never been the law. Old fashioned would be harking back to an earlier time, not making up a brand new law that we've never had. RichB said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
BrabusMog said:
Call me old fashioned, but if you're feet are level with the defender as the attacker but any part of your body is in front, you're still on side as you need your feet to propel you onto the ball you're chasing.
That's not old fashioned because that's never been the law. Old fashioned would be harking back to an earlier time, not making up a brand new law that we've never had. Rumblestripe said:
RichB said:
We agree then...
Yes but it was never in the rules. It was simply the way that it was officited.I don't think anyone would argue if you thickened the lines a little. Already, if the lines are touching, you are on (I believe). So it's just working out a suitable tolerance in keeping with the fps of the camera.
Or they could double the fps of the camera I suppose?
How about we just get rid of VAR and automated offsides? Just keep goal line because that's pretty clear cut and it's a yes/no outcome. There's no I think it is a foul but you don't. There's no his toe is offside but the rest of him is onside.
Just make the game better by keeping it flowing. Allow for human error, otherwise we might as well remove all the human aspect and just watch AI run around a screen.
Game was better before VAR.
Just make the game better by keeping it flowing. Allow for human error, otherwise we might as well remove all the human aspect and just watch AI run around a screen.
Game was better before VAR.
RichB said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
BrabusMog said:
Call me old fashioned, but if you're feet are level with the defender as the attacker but any part of your body is in front, you're still on side as you need your feet to propel you onto the ball you're chasing.
That's not old fashioned because that's never been the law. Old fashioned would be harking back to an earlier time, not making up a brand new law that we've never had. But, if you were launching into a diving header, and your head and torso are ahead of the defender when the ball is played in, but your feet are level, you are offside today, and you were offside in the 70s.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
RichB said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
BrabusMog said:
Call me old fashioned, but if you're feet are level with the defender as the attacker but any part of your body is in front, you're still on side as you need your feet to propel you onto the ball you're chasing.
That's not old fashioned because that's never been the law. Old fashioned would be harking back to an earlier time, not making up a brand new law that we've never had. TwigtheWonderkid said:
Level is still onside, even now.
But, if you were launching into a diving header, and your head and torso are ahead of the defender when the ball is played in, but your feet are level, you are offside today, and you were offside in the 70s.
Where your feet wouldn't be on the floor But, if you were launching into a diving header, and your head and torso are ahead of the defender when the ball is played in, but your feet are level, you are offside today, and you were offside in the 70s.
BrabusMog said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Level is still onside, even now.
But, if you were launching into a diving header, and your head and torso are ahead of the defender when the ball is played in, but your feet are level, you are offside today, and you were offside in the 70s.
Where your feet wouldn't be on the floor But, if you were launching into a diving header, and your head and torso are ahead of the defender when the ball is played in, but your feet are level, you are offside today, and you were offside in the 70s.
Bluevanman said:
Not really VAR but how refreshing to see the referee book 2 players for diving in the Newcastle Brighton game.If more refs did it we may eradicate these cheats from the game and that may actually make VAR decisions easier
100%. Oddly, and I may have missed this, has VAR helped ensure more diving cheats get carded? or would that leave each team without any front players after about 10 mins 
?Bluevanman said:
Frimley111R said:
100%. Oddly, and I may have missed this, has VAR helped ensure more diving cheats get carded? or would that leave each team without any front players after about 10 mins ?
I don't think it's within VAR's remit?Problem is players now (and before VAR) maximise and exaggerate contact - so it then becomes a subjective decision, which VAR can't get involved in
For example, Everton Vs Man Utd. Ashley Young clipped their player, who was booked for diving. Even though VAR can't intervene for yellow cards, it was a "clear and obvious" error, so VAR alerted ref and the yellow was rescinded and a penalty ultimately given. Can't recall if Young got booked. I think so?
johnboy1975 said:
It surely is, as if the ref buys the foul and there's no contact, it's a "clear and obvious" error
Problem is players now (and before VAR) maximise and exaggerate contact - so it then becomes a subjective decision, which VAR can't get involved in
For example, Everton Vs Man Utd. Ashley Young clipped their player, who was booked for diving. Even though VAR can't intervene for yellow cards, it was a "clear and obvious" error, so VAR alerted ref and the yellow was rescinded and a penalty ultimately given. Can't recall if Young got booked. I think so?
It's a technicality but I think in that case the card was rescinded because the challenge was a clear and obvious error,VAR wouldn't have got involved if a player had just thrown himself to the ground where the ref hadn't given a foul because it wouldn't have beed a clear and obvious error Problem is players now (and before VAR) maximise and exaggerate contact - so it then becomes a subjective decision, which VAR can't get involved in
For example, Everton Vs Man Utd. Ashley Young clipped their player, who was booked for diving. Even though VAR can't intervene for yellow cards, it was a "clear and obvious" error, so VAR alerted ref and the yellow was rescinded and a penalty ultimately given. Can't recall if Young got booked. I think so?
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