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GTO-3R said:
simon800 said:
It was another completely invisible performance from Hojlund.
Chelsea paid half the amount for Jackson who has really come into his own the last few weeks. Big improvements needed from our lad without doubt.
Really? Maybe go to a game mate and you'll see the complete lack of service to him. I was watching him closely yesterday and he was making a lot of good runs but is completely isolated with ZERO service from anyone in the team. It's any wonder we can't score goals when we don't use our striker.Chelsea paid half the amount for Jackson who has really come into his own the last few weeks. Big improvements needed from our lad without doubt.
Hojlund wasn't invisible? He was
Chelsea didn't pay half the amount for Jackson? They did
Hojlund doesnt need to improve? Fair enough if you think that, I disagree
simon800 said:
GTO-3R said:
simon800 said:
It was another completely invisible performance from Hojlund.
Chelsea paid half the amount for Jackson who has really come into his own the last few weeks. Big improvements needed from our lad without doubt.
Really? Maybe go to a game mate and you'll see the complete lack of service to him. I was watching him closely yesterday and he was making a lot of good runs but is completely isolated with ZERO service from anyone in the team. It's any wonder we can't score goals when we don't use our striker.Chelsea paid half the amount for Jackson who has really come into his own the last few weeks. Big improvements needed from our lad without doubt.
Hojlund wasn't invisible? He was
Chelsea didn't pay half the amount for Jackson? They did
Hojlund doesnt need to improve? Fair enough if you think that, I disagree
Jackson was cheaper but I strongly suggest that at the end of their time at the clubs, Hojlund will be miles better and have scored a lot more goals.
Of course Hojlund can improve, he's still young for a striker. But he also needs his team to supply him.
bstb3 said:
If we can get some proper attacking routines put together, where Hojlund can be sure what he has to do and confident if he does it the ball has a good chance of coming it will make a big difference. Right now he doesn't know where to run, often because (to me it looks like) he can't predict what the wingers will do. There needs then to be consequences when those patterns are not followed.
Coaching.
A valid observation. He is often making the complete wrong run, but you've identified a reason for it (rather than pretending it's not the case).Coaching.
Maybe when we get a proper manager we will see him improve as the non existent patterns of play come into existence.
Genuinely though, what would you say his main strengths are? For me I don't see blistering pace though we don't play him in behind often to know, he's not any kind of threat in the air, he's not a dribbler who is going to get the ball in tight spaces and run past 3 players like prime Martial used to etc. Maybe the current system hides any strengths he has and we don't get to see them until a later point in time?
Dare I say it, and yes we universally don't want him back, but would a Sancho type winger in a proper system be what Hojlund needs, i.e. a creator?
GTO-3R said:
Hojlund was invisible because nobody passes to him or uses his strengths.
Jackson was cheaper but I strongly suggest that at the end of their time at the clubs, Hojlund will be miles better and have scored a lot more goals.
Of course Hojlund can improve, he's still young for a striker. But he also needs his team to supply him.
So you didn't disagree despite your response suggesting you did....that's fair enough. Jackson was cheaper but I strongly suggest that at the end of their time at the clubs, Hojlund will be miles better and have scored a lot more goals.
Of course Hojlund can improve, he's still young for a striker. But he also needs his team to supply him.
It will be interesting to see how Jackson vs Hojlund plays out, I've not watched enough of Jackson to know but he was seen as a meme until not long ago yet is banging in goals for fun now.
I know you're very keen for Ten Hag to stay, would you expect to see more from Hojlund in the same system under Ten Hag next season? Or would you anticipate the whole system needing to change to get more out of him?
LF5335 said:
Also previously banned as Unident when you posted exactly the sane stuff in the same way, one of the other regulars on here asked you why you were banned first time, perhaps answer him rather than reinforcing stuff you previously said. AMG certainly won't want to discuss it with you
200Plus Club said:
LF5335 said:
Also previously banned as Unident when you posted exactly the sane stuff in the same way, one of the other regulars on here asked you why you were banned first time, perhaps answer him rather than reinforcing stuff you previously said. AMG certainly won't want to discuss it with you
simon800 said:
GTO-3R said:
Hojlund was invisible because nobody passes to him or uses his strengths.
Jackson was cheaper but I strongly suggest that at the end of their time at the clubs, Hojlund will be miles better and have scored a lot more goals.
Of course Hojlund can improve, he's still young for a striker. But he also needs his team to supply him.
So you didn't disagree despite your response suggesting you did....that's fair enough. Jackson was cheaper but I strongly suggest that at the end of their time at the clubs, Hojlund will be miles better and have scored a lot more goals.
Of course Hojlund can improve, he's still young for a striker. But he also needs his team to supply him.
It will be interesting to see how Jackson vs Hojlund plays out, I've not watched enough of Jackson to know but he was seen as a meme until not long ago yet is banging in goals for fun now.
I know you're very keen for Ten Hag to stay, would you expect to see more from Hojlund in the same system under Ten Hag next season? Or would you anticipate the whole system needing to change to get more out of him?
Garnacho was terrible yesterday. Constantly running himself into trouble when crossing or passes (ironically, to Hojlund) would have been the most sensible thing to do. Sure, it looks great when he receives the ball and gets past the first opponent, but when nothing comes of it then it's all a waste of time.
GTO-3R said:
Really? Maybe go to a game mate and you'll see the complete lack of service to him. I was watching him closely yesterday and he was making a lot of good runs but is completely isolated with ZERO service from anyone in the team. It's any wonder we can't score goals when we don't use our striker.
Even watching on TV you could see he spent most of the match darting around in the hope the wide players might attempt to get the ball to him. Which is hard enough when they don't, let alone when you add that he was running the last line isolated against Gabriel and Saliba.Don't watch United much but I presume he is a more typical "fox-in-the-box" striker, and won't regularly create stuff for himself. Servicing that is down to the coach instructing the attacking players properly!
200Plus Club said:
You are the messiah.
Also previously banned as Unident when you posted exactly the sane stuff in the same way, one of the other regulars on here asked you why you were banned first time, perhaps answer him rather than reinforcing stuff you previously said. AMG certainly won't want to discuss it with you
Given the language he uses to describe people he sees as beneath him I doubt I’ll be responding to him or you again either. Also previously banned as Unident when you posted exactly the sane stuff in the same way, one of the other regulars on here asked you why you were banned first time, perhaps answer him rather than reinforcing stuff you previously said. AMG certainly won't want to discuss it with you
StuTheGrouch said:
Those stats back up what GTO is saying. Nobody is passing to him, hence 20% fewer touches in the penalty box. In fact, 'progressive passes received' is exactly what we're talking about, and Jackson receives more. Getting the ball more would see Hojlund have the chances to score, make those runs and passes.
Garnacho was terrible yesterday. Constantly running himself into trouble when crossing or passes (ironically, to Hojlund) would have been the most sensible thing to do. Sure, it looks great when he receives the ball and gets past the first opponent, but when nothing comes of it then it's all a waste of time.
Thought it was just me and I was missing something! I saw it with my own eyes yesterday (and other games) that he gets ZERO service from our wingers (and also Bruno with through balls etc) so he's not going to score many is he!Garnacho was terrible yesterday. Constantly running himself into trouble when crossing or passes (ironically, to Hojlund) would have been the most sensible thing to do. Sure, it looks great when he receives the ball and gets past the first opponent, but when nothing comes of it then it's all a waste of time.
Garnacho is still raw, young and a little bit selfish. He's going to be a top class player, it's clear to see
Legend83 said:
GTO-3R said:
Really? Maybe go to a game mate and you'll see the complete lack of service to him. I was watching him closely yesterday and he was making a lot of good runs but is completely isolated with ZERO service from anyone in the team. It's any wonder we can't score goals when we don't use our striker.
Even watching on TV you could see he spent most of the match darting around in the hope the wide players might attempt to get the ball to him. Which is hard enough when they don't, let alone when you add that he was running the last line isolated against Gabriel and Saliba.Don't watch United much but I presume he is a more typical "fox-in-the-box" striker, and won't regularly create stuff for himself. Servicing that is down to the coach instructing the attacking players properly!
Forester1965 said:
Hojlund has 3 traits I think will make him a success at OT. He seems quite smart, he consistently tries very hard and he's never afraid to have a go. Given good service and the right system he's got what it takes, in my opinion.
He definitely has passion and fire in his belly. Sounds a basic requirement, but if you contrast it with say a Sancho it really does show how important it is. simon800 said:
I don't know, he seems to often make the complete wrong run to me, and doesn't make himself an option. We've seen quite a few times where the person making the right run to get into a scoring position is McTominay, rather than Hojlund.
At this stage I'm not 100% sure what it is he's good at or what his main strengths are. Not writing him off or anything before anyone gets upset.
The comparison to Jackson is an interesting one - they've had more injuries than us, have struggled for identity, have had changes in the team etc etc.
That's because McTominay is running from midfield, very different to being the target man. Hojlund has to make tighter runs in less space and the passes to him need to be more precise.At this stage I'm not 100% sure what it is he's good at or what his main strengths are. Not writing him off or anything before anyone gets upset.
The comparison to Jackson is an interesting one - they've had more injuries than us, have struggled for identity, have had changes in the team etc etc.
Jackson isn't an accurate comparison because Chelsea are in much better form and are creating signifcantly more chances than us. Our problem is creating chances, their problem is finishing them. Hojlund has a much better conversion rate than Jackson.
CLK-GTR said:
Jackson isn't an accurate comparison because Chelsea are in much better form and are creating signifcantly more chances than us. Our problem is creating chances, their problem is finishing them. Hojlund has a much better conversion rate than Jackson.
Martial who is an oft derided laughing stock on here has a goal or assist every 138 mins under Ten Hag....Hojlund has a goal or assist every 190 mins.
I agree service into Hojlund should be improved. However I also don't think he's completely blameless. He often makes the wrong run, and his first touch is often poor.
I'm curious to see what tactical improvements Ten Hag comes up with to get our wonderkid and our mega money attacking signings he's made creating more opportunities for Hojlund.
simon800 said:
Martial who is an oft derided laughing stock on here has a goal or assist every 138 mins under Ten Hag....
Hojlund has a goal or assist every 190 mins.
I agree service into Hojlund should be improved. However I also don't think he's completely blameless. He often makes the wrong run, and his first touch is often poor.
I'm curious to see what tactical improvements Ten Hag comes up with to get our wonderkid and our mega money attacking signings he's made creating more opportunities for Hojlund.
Martial isn't a centre forward even though we play him there. He drops deep and to the wings and runs, like the rest of our forwards. He also played in a far more functional team than the injury riddled mess we are now.Hojlund has a goal or assist every 190 mins.
I agree service into Hojlund should be improved. However I also don't think he's completely blameless. He often makes the wrong run, and his first touch is often poor.
I'm curious to see what tactical improvements Ten Hag comes up with to get our wonderkid and our mega money attacking signings he's made creating more opportunities for Hojlund.
We haven't had a natural, young centre forward for years. Hojlund is another one of our players that would be transformed if they played in a team like City or Arsenal.
simon800 said:
Martial who is an oft derided laughing stock on here has a goal or assist every 138 mins under Ten Hag....
Hojlund has a goal or assist every 190 mins.
I agree service into Hojlund should be improved. However I also don't think he's completely blameless. He often makes the wrong run, and his first touch is often poor.
I'm curious to see what tactical improvements Ten Hag comes up with to get our wonderkid and our mega money attacking signings he's made creating more opportunities for Hojlund.
I think you’re being overly hard on Hojlund. As everyone is saying he isn’t getting the service. When he does the ball is often not where he expects or wants it to be so it looks like he’s doing the wrong thing. Hojlund has a goal or assist every 190 mins.
I agree service into Hojlund should be improved. However I also don't think he's completely blameless. He often makes the wrong run, and his first touch is often poor.
I'm curious to see what tactical improvements Ten Hag comes up with to get our wonderkid and our mega money attacking signings he's made creating more opportunities for Hojlund.
If our wide players got in the habit of putting the ball into the box and he still fails to connect with it then there are questions to be asked. Until then it’s very harsh criticism.
Other teams have patterns where a forward knows where to be and the wide man is expected to put the ball there or thereabouts. None of what I’m seeing gives me the confidence that we work on things like this. Players don’t want the ball. When they get it the first touch is often to long it straight back to the player it came from. Even worse is when the wide man turns back and plays the ball all the way back to the deepest player we have rather than take a chance on playing a through ball.
Kane isn’t blessed with pace, or many of the things you’ve Hojlund of lacking. I don’t see it holding him back.
GTO-3R said:
Really? Maybe go to a game mate and you'll see the complete lack of service to him. I was watching him closely yesterday and he was making a lot of good runs but is completely isolated with ZERO service from anyone in the team. It's any wonder we can't score goals when we don't use our striker.
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