Lewis Hamilton to Ferrari
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carlo996 said:
All the really cool drivers have had a sabbatical. Unlike old man Hamilton, Max is still a young man..he can pick and choose.
You probably need to let go of your obsession with LH. You also probably need to stop trolling while you're at it. Just let go, relax. If you can.
I think Hamilton left it 5 years too late, he struggles to compete with Russell in similar machinery and has been off the pace for a couple years now, why do Ferrari believe that another year older he’ll be any quicker?
This is purely business, there are better drivers they could have chosen from, I’d put Sainz above Hamilton these days, I can see it being a bit of an embarrassment next season.
This is purely business, there are better drivers they could have chosen from, I’d put Sainz above Hamilton these days, I can see it being a bit of an embarrassment next season.
Misanthroper said:
I think Hamilton left it 5 years too late, he struggles to compete with Russell in similar machinery and has been off the pace for a couple years now, why do Ferrari believe that another year older he’ll be any quicker?
This is purely business, there are better drivers they could have chosen from, I’d put Sainz above Hamilton these days, I can see it being a bit of an embarrassment next season.
He beat Russell in the WDC last season by a significant margin.This is purely business, there are better drivers they could have chosen from, I’d put Sainz above Hamilton these days, I can see it being a bit of an embarrassment next season.
paulguitar said:
Misanthroper said:
I think Hamilton left it 5 years too late, he struggles to compete with Russell in similar machinery and has been off the pace for a couple years now, why do Ferrari believe that another year older he’ll be any quicker?
This is purely business, there are better drivers they could have chosen from, I’d put Sainz above Hamilton these days, I can see it being a bit of an embarrassment next season.
He beat Russell in the WDC last season by a significant margin.This is purely business, there are better drivers they could have chosen from, I’d put Sainz above Hamilton these days, I can see it being a bit of an embarrassment next season.
paulguitar said:
He beat Russell in the WDC last season by a significant margin.
True, but if we take the three most recent performances Hamilton gets beaten in all of them, I think he’s been a great driver but he’s not up there anymore and is quicker to make an excuse than he is driving an f1 car.Be interesting to see how he does, maybe he proves me wrong, though I wonder if Ferrari are thinking maybe they should have spent about a third of his salary and gone with Bearman next season instead.
Misanthroper said:
paulguitar said:
He beat Russell in the WDC last season by a significant margin.
True, but if we take the three most recent performances Hamilton gets beaten in all of them, I think he’s been a great driver but he’s not up there anymore and is quicker to make an excuse than he is driving an f1 car.Misanthroper said:
Be interesting to see how he does, maybe he proves me wrong, though I wonder if Ferrari are thinking maybe they should have spent about a third of his salary and gone with Bearman next season instead.
I very, very much doubt that.Misanthroper said:
Be interesting to see how he does, maybe he proves me wrong, though I wonder if Ferrari are thinking maybe they should have spent about a third of his salary and gone with Bearman next season instead.
Most young rookies start on about £1m or less in their first year. One third of Hamilton's reported salary would put him on more than Leclerc, and almost everyone else on the grid.Misanthroper said:
Be interesting to see how he does, maybe he proves me wrong, though I wonder if Ferrari are thinking maybe they should have spent about a third of his salary and gone with Bearman next season instead.
Why is it that a kid has one good race and people immediately leap to suggest that he’s more use than a 7 time world champion?These pages were the same when Russell stood in for Hamilton in 2020 - suggestions that Mercedes should just drop Hamilton and put Russell in
Bearman did well, considering the circumstances. Putting him in for next year is the equivalent of dropping Lionel Messi because the 18 year old academy kid scored one goal in the last game.
Misanthroper said:
True, but if we take the three most recent performances Hamilton gets beaten in all of them, I think he’s been a great driver but he’s not up there anymore and is quicker to make an excuse than he is driving an f1 car.
Be interesting to see how he does, maybe he proves me wrong, though I wonder if Ferrari are thinking maybe they should have spent about a third of his salary and gone with Bearman next season instead.
If that is true (which it is) why do you not say oppps I was wrong, instead you desperately try to double down with the above.Be interesting to see how he does, maybe he proves me wrong, though I wonder if Ferrari are thinking maybe they should have spent about a third of his salary and gone with Bearman next season instead.
Muzzer79 said:
Misanthroper said:
Be interesting to see how he does, maybe he proves me wrong, though I wonder if Ferrari are thinking maybe they should have spent about a third of his salary and gone with Bearman next season instead.
Why is it that a kid has one good race and people immediately leap to suggest that he’s more use than a 7 time world champion?These pages were the same when Russell stood in for Hamilton in 2020 - suggestions that Mercedes should just drop Hamilton and put Russell in
Bearman did well, considering the circumstances. Putting him in for next year is the equivalent of dropping Lionel Messi because the 18 year old academy kid scored one goal in the last game.
I'm not criticising de Vries or Bearman, I think they both did exceptionally well. It was great watching Bearman hammer the Ferrari around and seeing his Dad's reactions was priceless. But I agree, as soon as someone has a good race this constant obsession with then saying an older driver is done or washed up is laughable. Russell is clearly doing really well at getting the most out of the car in quali but I've yet to see him do much in the race, either overtaking or defending. There's obviously more performance in the car, let's wait and see what happens.
Muzzer79 said:
Misanthroper said:
Be interesting to see how he does, maybe he proves me wrong, though I wonder if Ferrari are thinking maybe they should have spent about a third of his salary and gone with Bearman next season instead.
Why is it that a kid has one good race and people immediately leap to suggest that he’s more use than a 7 time world champion?These pages were the same when Russell stood in for Hamilton in 2020 - suggestions that Mercedes should just drop Hamilton and put Russell in
Bearman did well, considering the circumstances. Putting him in for next year is the equivalent of dropping Lionel Messi because the 18 year old academy kid scored one goal in the last game.
Bo_apex said:
Muzzer79 said:
Misanthroper said:
Be interesting to see how he does, maybe he proves me wrong, though I wonder if Ferrari are thinking maybe they should have spent about a third of his salary and gone with Bearman next season instead.
Why is it that a kid has one good race and people immediately leap to suggest that he’s more use than a 7 time world champion?These pages were the same when Russell stood in for Hamilton in 2020 - suggestions that Mercedes should just drop Hamilton and put Russell in
Bearman did well, considering the circumstances. Putting him in for next year is the equivalent of dropping Lionel Messi because the 18 year old academy kid scored one goal in the last game.
The issue is to suggest that Ferrari abandon their plans to sign (like him or not) the most successful Grand Prix driver of all time to instead take a rookie who has driven one race - it's utterly bizarre.
Bearman did very well and I was rooting for him. However, he did not set the world alight and certainly didn't do enough to take a race seat at Ferrari. If he was that good, they'd move Sainz aside now.
I for one hope that Lewis grinds out his career for at least 3 years too long, absolutely coining it in while trundling round at the back of the grid in one of the best cars.
The collective shortening of life due to rage induced blood pressure amongst all those who hate him so much would be entirely worth it.
The collective shortening of life due to rage induced blood pressure amongst all those who hate him so much would be entirely worth it.
C5_Steve said:
Muzzer79 said:
Misanthroper said:
Be interesting to see how he does, maybe he proves me wrong, though I wonder if Ferrari are thinking maybe they should have spent about a third of his salary and gone with Bearman next season instead.
Why is it that a kid has one good race and people immediately leap to suggest that he’s more use than a 7 time world champion?These pages were the same when Russell stood in for Hamilton in 2020 - suggestions that Mercedes should just drop Hamilton and put Russell in
Bearman did well, considering the circumstances. Putting him in for next year is the equivalent of dropping Lionel Messi because the 18 year old academy kid scored one goal in the last game.
I'm not criticising de Vries or Bearman, I think they both did exceptionally well. It was great watching Bearman hammer the Ferrari around and seeing his Dad's reactions was priceless. But I agree, as soon as someone has a good race this constant obsession with then saying an older driver is done or washed up is laughable. Russell is clearly doing really well at getting the most out of the car in quali but I've yet to see him do much in the race, either overtaking or defending. There's obviously more performance in the car, let's wait and see what happens.
Misanthroper said:
True, but if we take the three most recent performances Hamilton gets beaten in all of them, I think he’s been a great driver but he’s not up there anymore and is quicker to make an excuse than he is driving an f1 car.
Be interesting to see how he does, maybe he proves me wrong, though I wonder if Ferrari are thinking maybe they should have spent about a third of his salary and gone with Bearman next season instead.
Think the most surprising thing about this comment is you think Ferrari would pay Bearman 1/3rd of Hamiltons salary! Would be barely 2%.Be interesting to see how he does, maybe he proves me wrong, though I wonder if Ferrari are thinking maybe they should have spent about a third of his salary and gone with Bearman next season instead.
Bearman done a good job given the circumstances but being 0.5 seconds off your teammate in qualifying is not fast enough. The circumstances made it difficult but have also given him a bit of slack. Finishing 7th in the 2nd fastest car isn't amazing either. He might well deserve a drive in F1 but not sure this drive proves it either way.
Back on topic, it's starting to look like Hamilton is making the right move next year. Ferrari have made progress while Mercedes seem lost.
Back on topic, it's starting to look like Hamilton is making the right move next year. Ferrari have made progress while Mercedes seem lost.
Muzzer79 said:
Bo_apex said:
Muzzer79 said:
Misanthroper said:
Be interesting to see how he does, maybe he proves me wrong, though I wonder if Ferrari are thinking maybe they should have spent about a third of his salary and gone with Bearman next season instead.
Why is it that a kid has one good race and people immediately leap to suggest that he’s more use than a 7 time world champion?These pages were the same when Russell stood in for Hamilton in 2020 - suggestions that Mercedes should just drop Hamilton and put Russell in
Bearman did well, considering the circumstances. Putting him in for next year is the equivalent of dropping Lionel Messi because the 18 year old academy kid scored one goal in the last game.
The issue is to suggest that Ferrari abandon their plans to sign (like him or not) the most successful Grand Prix driver of all time to instead take a rookie who has driven one race - it's utterly bizarre.
Bearman did very well and I was rooting for him. However, he did not set the world alight and certainly didn't do enough to take a race seat at Ferrari. If he was that good, they'd move Sainz aside now.
Maybe if Enzo himself was still running the team
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