Jamie Chadwick - First competitive female driver in F1?
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Just look at these results and make your own conclusion:
Marta Garcia, 2023 F1 Academy champion: 1.35s from the pole.
Lena Bühler, 2023 F1 Academy vice-champion: 1.58s from the pole.
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Marta Garcia, 2023 F1 Academy champion: 1.35s from the pole.
Lena Bühler, 2023 F1 Academy vice-champion: 1.58s from the pole.
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Kart16 said:
Just look at these results and make your own conclusion:
Marta Garcia, 2023 F1 Academy champion: 1.35s from the pole.
Lena Bühler, 2023 F1 Academy vice-champion: 1.58s from the pole.
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What does that prove? Nobody is saying that the women who have got to a certain level right now are the best there will ever be; if anything, given some of the karting results, it rather proves that more needs to be done to bring the best female talent forward.Marta Garcia, 2023 F1 Academy champion: 1.35s from the pole.
Lena Bühler, 2023 F1 Academy vice-champion: 1.58s from the pole.
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Forester1965 said:
There's no outwardly physical reason females couldn't drive a racing car every bit as fast as a male.
I suspect the reason there aren't more female racing drivers is social/societal.
It'd be interesting to investigate whether the hormonal differences between males and females affects their risk/reward decision making on-track and ultimately their chances of making it at the sharp end as a result.
It’s a sport that requires very high levels of fitness and endurance of the top drivers.I suspect the reason there aren't more female racing drivers is social/societal.
It'd be interesting to investigate whether the hormonal differences between males and females affects their risk/reward decision making on-track and ultimately their chances of making it at the sharp end as a result.
Women perform at a lower level than men in endurance sports.
Men also outperform women at most sports that rely on coordination and skill.
Forester1965 said:
Ken_Code said:
Women perform at a lower level than men in endurance sports.
Men have greater muscle strength and oxygen capacity. Neither of which is relevant in a modern racing car. Ken_Code said:
If that were the case drivers would not work so hard on their fitness and strength.
Anyone driving a high G car would have to work on their fitness and strength. The question is whether a female is incapable of reaching the point where their performance is no longer limited by their lack of fitness or strength.Are F1 drivers stronger and fitter than the strongest and fittest women (in any sport)? It's a rhetorical question, btw. Of course they're not.
Just watching today’s Indy NXT race.
Great result for Jamie’s Andretti team mate Foster - think he’s the best in the class and my bet to win the Title.
But, felt sorry for Jamie - went from 6th to 4th and looked safe to hold that place for another good finish - but seems like her gearbox failed. She’s definitely quick this year.
Great result for Jamie’s Andretti team mate Foster - think he’s the best in the class and my bet to win the Title.
But, felt sorry for Jamie - went from 6th to 4th and looked safe to hold that place for another good finish - but seems like her gearbox failed. She’s definitely quick this year.
Forester1965 said:
Ken_Code said:
If that were the case drivers would not work so hard on their fitness and strength.
Anyone driving a high G car would have to work on their fitness and strength. The question is whether a female is incapable of reaching the point where their performance is no longer limited by their lack of fitness or strength.Are F1 drivers stronger and fitter than the strongest and fittest women (in any sport)? It's a rhetorical question, btw. Of course they're not.
RacerMike said:
And has been mentioned on many occasions that Yuki Tsunoda 5ft 3 and manages fine (Jamie is the same height for reference). Driving any racing car is far less about ultimate strength and far more about endurance and cardio fitness. There is absolutely no reason a woman would be at any physical disadvantage in even an F1 car.
I’m not sure if I’m missing something here, but he’s not a woman.Women are not simply smaller men.
skwdenyer said:
What does that prove? Nobody is saying that the women who have got to a certain level right now are the best there will ever be; if anything, given some of the karting results, it rather proves that more needs to be done to bring the best female talent forward.
It proves that women can’t compete with men in motorsport.I don’t get your reference on karting, care to clarify?
Also, there is no sense in “doing more… to bring female talent forward”. Young female drivers already have advantages over males such as sponsorship, promotion, separate classifications, extra prizing, etc.
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Ken_Code said:
RacerMike said:
And has been mentioned on many occasions that Yuki Tsunoda 5ft 3 and manages fine (Jamie is the same height for reference). Driving any racing car is far less about ultimate strength and far more about endurance and cardio fitness. There is absolutely no reason a woman would be at any physical disadvantage in even an F1 car.
I’m not sure if I’m missing something here, but he’s not a woman.Women are not simply smaller men.
Training to be an F1 driver is tough, but physical fitness is not a defining aspect of being a good one. It’s an equipment, but Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen aren’t out there winning WDC’s because they’re they have better fitness or physical strength. They’re winning because they’re skilled drivers and mentally more capable than their competition.
RacerMike said:
And Yuki being a man doesn’t make him somehow physically superior in a racing car to an identically sized woman.
Training to be an F1 driver is tough, but physical fitness is not a defining aspect of being a good one. It’s an equipment, but Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen aren’t out there winning WDC’s because they’re they have better fitness or physical strength. They’re winning because they’re skilled drivers and mentally more capable than their competition.
But it does. On matched weights men are massively stronger than women.Training to be an F1 driver is tough, but physical fitness is not a defining aspect of being a good one. It’s an equipment, but Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen aren’t out there winning WDC’s because they’re they have better fitness or physical strength. They’re winning because they’re skilled drivers and mentally more capable than their competition.
This bizarre pretence that physicality doesn’t matter and the fifferences are just down to socialisation or prejudice isn’t tenable.
Ken_Code said:
But it does. On matched weights men are massively stronger than women.
This bizarre pretence that physicality doesn’t matter and the fifferences are just down to socialisation or prejudice isn’t tenable.
The logical consequence of such an argument is that Danica Patrick must have been astonishingly talented to be able to make up such an obvious physical deficit to her male counterparts. This bizarre pretence that physicality doesn’t matter and the fifferences are just down to socialisation or prejudice isn’t tenable.
The reality is that physical strength is only a small part of a complex equation.
Leithen said:
Ken_Code said:
But it does. On matched weights men are massively stronger than women.
This bizarre pretence that physicality doesn’t matter and the fifferences are just down to socialisation or prejudice isn’t tenable.
The logical consequence of such an argument is that Danica Patrick must have been astonishingly talented to be able to make up such an obvious physical deficit to her male counterparts. This bizarre pretence that physicality doesn’t matter and the fifferences are just down to socialisation or prejudice isn’t tenable.
The reality is that physical strength is only a small part of a complex equation.
We do actually have mixed sex racing series, we've had them since... The dawn of motorsport.
Has there ever been a mixed sex championship when a woman has won?
Physical strength gives a driver control, and from that point all their other attributes become more effective.
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