Jamie Chadwick - First competitive female driver in F1?

[Muzzer79]

TheDeuce said:

Forester1965 said:

TheDeuce said:

What do you mean 'still'? I already replied to you above, I'm no expert in 'why' but they cleary struggle when it comes to extended periods of coping with such a battering of forces. There's an issue with strength.

It's like you clearly struggle to hang onto a discussion without repeating the same questions and repeatedly ignoring the same answers.

What evidence do you have that a woman is physically incapable of coping with 1.5hrs driving an F1 car at full speed?

Full speed is the problem.

Assuming you mean full speed, as in, the competitive pace of the car..?

If so my evidence is that not a single woman has ever come close the grade at anything like F1 level, over a race distance.

Your argument that women are not physically able to race in F1 is the fact that nobody has done it at the highest standard?

Come on….you must surely realise that there are a myriad of other reasons for that fact?

[TheDeuce]

Muzzer79 said:

TheDeuce said:

Forester1965 said:

TheDeuce said:

What do you mean 'still'? I already replied to you above, I'm no expert in 'why' but they cleary struggle when it comes to extended periods of coping with such a battering of forces. There's an issue with strength.

It's like you clearly struggle to hang onto a discussion without repeating the same questions and repeatedly ignoring the same answers.

What evidence do you have that a woman is physically incapable of coping with 1.5hrs driving an F1 car at full speed?

Full speed is the problem.

Assuming you mean full speed, as in, the competitive pace of the car..?

If so my evidence is that not a single woman has ever come close the grade at anything like F1 level, over a race distance.

Your argument that women are not physically able to race in F1 is the fact that nobody has done it at the highest standard?

Come on….you must surely realise that there are a myriad of other reasons for that fact?

Nope. Others made the point that physical strength does matter, which I agree with. Women are at a disadvantage in that regard.

[Muzzer79]

TheDeuce said:

Muzzer79 said:

TheDeuce said:

Forester1965 said:

TheDeuce said:

What do you mean 'still'? I already replied to you above, I'm no expert in 'why' but they cleary struggle when it comes to extended periods of coping with such a battering of forces. There's an issue with strength.

It's like you clearly struggle to hang onto a discussion without repeating the same questions and repeatedly ignoring the same answers.

What evidence do you have that a woman is physically incapable of coping with 1.5hrs driving an F1 car at full speed?

Full speed is the problem.

Assuming you mean full speed, as in, the competitive pace of the car..?

If so my evidence is that not a single woman has ever come close the grade at anything like F1 level, over a race distance.

Your argument that women are not physically able to race in F1 is the fact that nobody has done it at the highest standard?

Come on….you must surely realise that there are a myriad of other reasons for that fact?

Nope. Others made the point that physical strength does matter, which I agree with. Women are at a disadvantage in that regard.

So, in your opinion, the only reason that a woman has not made it to the highest standard in F1 is because they, as a collective, do not have the physical attributes?

That’s bonkers.

[Forester1965]

TheDeuce said:

Nope. Others made the point that physical strength does matter, which I agree with. Women are at a disadvantage in that regard.

Now relying on others' fallacies.

There's nothing to say physical strength is a limiting factor for race drivers or that women could not have the required strength. The whole argument is a pile of nonsense.

[RacerMike]

Forester1965 said:

TheDeuce said:

Nope. Others made the point that physical strength does matter, which I agree with. Women are at a disadvantage in that regard.

Now relying on others' fallacies.

There's nothing to say physical strength is a limiting factor for race drivers or that women could not have the required strength. The whole argument is a pile of nonsense.

Exactly this. My strength and stamina was so far down the list of attributes I needed to win in a car that it was barely a consideration. And whilst it wasn’t F1, it was ‘physical’.

Or should we go back to talking about straw penguins?

[Sandpit Steve]

Kart16 said:

Just look at these results and make your own conclusion:

Marta Garcia, 2023 F1 Academy champion: 1.35s from the pole.
Lena Bühler, 2023 F1 Academy vice-champion: 1.58s from the pole.

https://formularegionaleubyalpine.com/wp-content/u...

https://formularegionaleubyalpine.com/wp-content/u...

I hadn’t actually realised that these two ladies had graduated from the Academy into “Euro F3”, such was the terrible coverage of the former last year, and the latter this year. Good luck to them both in ‘24.

[732NM]

RacerMike said:

Exactly this. My strength and stamina was so far down the list of attributes I needed to win in a car that it was barely a consideration. And whilst it wasn’t F1, it was ‘physical’.

Or should we go back to talking about straw penguins?

Physical attributes do play a role in driving at the limit, it's very formula dependent on how big a role that is.

A GT car is producing much lower forces on the body than a high G formula car, you also have the physical issues of driving high tyre load cars without power steering, which is why lower formula cars and GT are now more likely to have power assist to reduce that issue.

To ignore the physical differences between men and women is ignoring reality. Even the best female athletes know to compete against men is impossible. You can minimise that effect in some sports, but it's never fully negated, so when you see the likes of a Mouton, they really are special.

Serena tells it as it is here.

[trackdemon]

Back to this debate again, going round in circles. There's no reason a woman cannot be fit enough to drive an F1 car at full chat, that's clearly absolutely correct. But the reason F1 drivers train isn't *just* to be fit enough to drive the car, it's so the physical demands are inconsequential, leaving lots of spare mental capacity to think about how best to conduct a lap/race/overtaking manoeuvre.... so they train to a level that brings them way above the basic requirement to drive the car to the point where the driving aspect is akin to you or I going for a brisk drive in something moderately quick. This is where ultimately men may show an advantage, just as they do in any other top level physical discipline. That's not a slight on women it's just a biological fact, so the white knights can relax.

[Yazza54]

I think Abbi Pulling is the future anyway, she's the one we should be talking about.

[Forester1965]

Yazza54 said:

I think Abbi Pulling is the future anyway, she's the one we should be talking about.

But but but but she's a giiiirrrrl!

[Sandpit Steve]

Yazza54 said:

I think Abbi Pulling is the future anyway, she's the one we should be talking about.

Abbi’s unlikely to be the next woman in F1, but she should be in FIA F3 next year.

The most likely next woman in F1 at the moment is probably Juju Noda, competing in Japanese Super Formula (similar to F2 cars) this year. She just turned 18. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juju_Noda

[Yazza54]

Sandpit Steve said:

Yazza54 said:

I think Abbi Pulling is the future anyway, she's the one we should be talking about.

Abbi’s unlikely to be the next woman in F1, but she should be in FIA F3 next year.

The most likely next woman in F1 at the moment is probably Juju Noda, competing in Japanese Super Formula (similar to F2 cars) this year. She just turned 18. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juju_Noda

I just mean our best UK prospect. It's not going to be Jamie.

[MustangGT]

Forester1965 said:

54kg Yuki Tsunoda is loads stronger than all those weakling female boxers (btw female featherweight begins at 57kg).

I may or may not be being sarcastic.

I assume you are responding to Ken_Code with your reply?

To claim that at matched weights a man is physically stronger than a woman is laughable. It all depends on physical training. I can assure you that there are plenty of women my weight who are a lot stronger than me.

[skwdenyer]

Ken_Code said:

Men also outperform women at most sports that rely on coordination and skill.

That’s an interesting assertion. What’s the basis for it?

For instance, in Olympic air rifle shooting (a sport requiring basically *only* coordination and skill), women consistently outperform men under equal conditions. The same goes for dressage.

In skeet shooting, men and women competed together at the Olympics - until the women started doing better, whereupon they were banned entirely from the next Olympics, then the sport was split

In terms of reflexes, the sexes are split - women tend to beat men on decision-making speed, whereas men tend to shade women on involuntary reflexes.

[PhilAsia]

skwdenyer said:

Ken_Code said:

Men also outperform women at most sports that rely on coordination and skill.

>snip<In terms of reflexes, the sexes are split - women tend to beat men on decision-making speed, whereas men tend to shade women on involuntary reflexes, like wolf-whistling, etc...

FTFY

[stinkyspanner]

RacerMike said:

Forester1965 said:

TheDeuce said:

Nope. Others made the point that physical strength does matter, which I agree with. Women are at a disadvantage in that regard.

Now relying on others' fallacies.

There's nothing to say physical strength is a limiting factor for race drivers or that women could not have the required strength. The whole argument is a pile of nonsense.

Exactly this. My strength and stamina was so far down the list of attributes I needed to win in a car that it was barely a consideration. And whilst it wasn’t F1, it was ‘physical’.

Or should we go back to talking about straw penguins?

I raced tin tops for a few years, did OK and won a few races but didn't find it particularly physical. Then I raced a slicks and wings single seater for a couple of seasons and really struggled at first with my neck in races that were no longer than 20 minutes. It was partly the extra speed, but a lot to do with the seat being far more laid back which meant I was using different muscles (or maybe the same muscles in a different way) to keep my head up.

[RacerMike]

stinkyspanner said:

RacerMike said:

Forester1965 said:

TheDeuce said:

Nope. Others made the point that physical strength does matter, which I agree with. Women are at a disadvantage in that regard.

Now relying on others' fallacies.

There's nothing to say physical strength is a limiting factor for race drivers or that women could not have the required strength. The whole argument is a pile of nonsense.

Exactly this. My strength and stamina was so far down the list of attributes I needed to win in a car that it was barely a consideration. And whilst it wasn’t F1, it was ‘physical’.

Or should we go back to talking about straw penguins?

I raced tin tops for a few years, did OK and won a few races but didn't find it particularly physical. Then I raced a slicks and wings single seater for a couple of seasons and really struggled at first with my neck in races that were no longer than 20 minutes. It was partly the extra speed, but a lot to do with the seat being far more laid back which meant I was using different muscles (or maybe the same muscles in a different way) to keep my head up.

Yes but it wasn’t your ‘superior make strength’ that enabled you to keep your head on your shoulders was it? A woman also has muscles capable of keeping her head upright.

I’ve driven a couple of single seaters and a GT3 car and neither really did my neck as much of a workout as a proper kart.

[Petrus1983]

This is the Jamie Chadwick thread and it seems to have done unnoticed she had a great drive to 3rd place in the Indy NXT championship. Very happy for her.

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/13135220/j...

[Leithen]

Petrus1983 said:

This is the Jamie Chadwick thread and it seems to have done unnoticed she had a great drive to 3rd place in the Indy NXT championship. Very happy for her.

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/13135220/j...

Agree entirely - see page 81.

[trackdemon]

Petrus1983 said:

This is the Jamie Chadwick thread and it seems to have done unnoticed she had a great drive to 3rd place in the Indy NXT championship. Very happy for her.

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/13135220/j...

Except it was mentioned on Saturday...