RE: 2024 Hyundai Ioniq 5 N | UK Review

[pmr01]

Monaro5.7 said:

Superb in Spain - Can it be excellent in the UK?????????

I an no car expert but i am sure that Wales Ireland & Scotland will be getting this car why cant it be excellent in the other home nations??????

Fkn stupid headline.

[Julian Scott]

loudlashadjuster said:

bigyoungdave said:

Julian Scott said:

bigyoungdave said:

Badgerr said:

Similar range to a petrol i30 N then! What people need to understand is that when you get in an EV, the range suggested is a Guess-o-meter. Once the car works out your style of driving, the GOM will become more accurate. These test cars have been thrashed by the journos so predicted range will always be lower than real time ownership. This learnt from owning my own EV.

However, in your petrol i30N you can add another 200 miles of range in 2 minutes at thousands of outlets across the country

But not overnight whilst you are sleeping. Yin/Yang.

But 300 to 400 miles is a realistic amount a lot of people might want to do in a day, without an overnight stop.

But, that’s the thing; it’s really not the kind of journey “a lot of people” actually do.

400 miles is about 5% of the annual mileage for the average car. People who are doing that regularly are a relatively small cohort.

Don't let facts get in the way of the mission to universally discredit any and every EV

[Julian Scott]

bigyoungdave said:

loudlashadjuster said:

bigyoungdave said:

Julian Scott said:

bigyoungdave said:

Badgerr said:

Similar range to a petrol i30 N then! What people need to understand is that when you get in an EV, the range suggested is a Guess-o-meter. Once the car works out your style of driving, the GOM will become more accurate. These test cars have been thrashed by the journos so predicted range will always be lower than real time ownership. This learnt from owning my own EV.

However, in your petrol i30N you can add another 200 miles of range in 2 minutes at thousands of outlets across the country

But not overnight whilst you are sleeping. Yin/Yang.

But 300 to 400 miles is a realistic amount a lot of people might want to do in a day, without an overnight stop.

But, that’s the thing; it’s really not the kind of journey “a lot of people” actually do.

400 miles is about 5% of the annual mileage for the average car. People who are doing that regularly are a relatively small cohort.

I fully appreciate that point. That length of journey I may only make three or four times a year myself. But that is often enough to prevent an EV being a viable option for me (other than as a luxury toy on top of my ICE)

So for you, an EV isn't a great option so far. You can cancel your order ;-)

Incidentally, I need to use a transit 3 or 4 times a year, that doesn't mean I feel I need to buy one as my daily driver.

[Blackpuddin]

pmr01 said:

Monaro5.7 said:

Superb in Spain - Can it be excellent in the UK?????????

I an no car expert but i am sure that Wales Ireland & Scotland will be getting this car why cant it be excellent in the other home nations??????

Fkn stupid headline.

Give them a break, it's alliteration.

[Julian Scott]

cerb4.5lee said:

I'm pretty well known for having a rant about range(or the lack of it with EVs), but I do often wonder if it is just a very small pocket of us that actually do care about range though. My missus is a high mileage driver(30k miles a year), so range is very important to her/us, whereas if you're only pottering around local, then range doesn't even become an issue at all in comparison I'd imagine.

This is true, not everyone can consider every car. It has always been the case.

I have 2 kids and a dog, so I can't consider a 2-seater car as a sole, main daily driver.

[Julian Scott]

JAMSXR said:

fatjon said:

Faff?
pull up, plug in, wave credit card. wander off for a pee and a coffee.

I’m sure if you’re a retired gentleman of leisure there is no faffing, but let me give this weeks example. Business meeting in Hinckley, the journey there and back required a quick top up, as I was making good time I decided to do it on route to save me hitting peak M25 congestion on route home. The closest supercharger required me to circle back on the M1, it was a 15 min diversion and a 15 min charge (at least). My ETA went from 40 min early to 5 min due to the stop. Clearly not the end of the world, but with >250 miles of range I would have got there and back on a single charge - zero faff

So one of the criteria you need is a car that can do >250 between fuelling/charging.

[Julian Scott]

Blackpuddin said:

pmr01 said:

Monaro5.7 said:

Superb in Spain - Can it be excellent in the UK?????????

I an no car expert but i am sure that Wales Ireland & Scotland will be getting this car why cant it be excellent in the other home nations??????

Fkn stupid headline.

Give them a break, it's alliteration.

Exactly. They drove it in England. They could have driven it in a different nation and had it 'Wonderful in Wales', or 'Superb in Scotland' or the 'nads in Northern Ireland', but they chose England.....and thus have pissed off people that would have been pissed off anyway.

I'd wager the only people upset about the headline live in England anyway

[blearyeyedboy]

Blackpuddin said:

pmr01 said:

Monaro5.7 said:

Superb in Spain - Can it be excellent in the UK?????????

I an no car expert but i am sure that Wales Ireland & Scotland will be getting this car why cant it be excellent in the other home nations??????

Fkn stupid headline.

Give them a break, it's alliteration.

I'm Welsh. I think people are overinterpreting this; if they'd said "Can it be excellent in England?" then people would grump too

There's a lot to criticise about some PH articles. I think this isn't one of them.

[Wills2]

I think we've reached a new low, people are whinging about the usage of the word England, where did all this weirdness come from?

[boozyjay]

A guy is driving one on our industrial estate at work, he's had it about a month now, so not sure how he's got it - it may be pre-production or he works for Hyundai. It's a huge, bulbous looking thing. Definitely not for me

[Wills2]

boozyjay said:

A guy is driving one on our industrial estate at work, he's had it about a month now, so not sure how he's got it - it may be pre-production or he works for Hyundai. It's a huge, bulbous looking thing. Definitely not for me

From a Hyundai dealership maybe? The car is freely available to buy and in stock.

[bigyoungdave]

Julian Scott said:

bigyoungdave said:

loudlashadjuster said:

bigyoungdave said:

Julian Scott said:

bigyoungdave said:

Badgerr said:

Similar range to a petrol i30 N then! What people need to understand is that when you get in an EV, the range suggested is a Guess-o-meter. Once the car works out your style of driving, the GOM will become more accurate. These test cars have been thrashed by the journos so predicted range will always be lower than real time ownership. This learnt from owning my own EV.

However, in your petrol i30N you can add another 200 miles of range in 2 minutes at thousands of outlets across the country

But not overnight whilst you are sleeping. Yin/Yang.

But 300 to 400 miles is a realistic amount a lot of people might want to do in a day, without an overnight stop.

But, that’s the thing; it’s really not the kind of journey “a lot of people” actually do.

400 miles is about 5% of the annual mileage for the average car. People who are doing that regularly are a relatively small cohort.

I fully appreciate that point. That length of journey I may only make three or four times a year myself. But that is often enough to prevent an EV being a viable option for me (other than as a luxury toy on top of my ICE)

So for you, an EV isn't a great option so far. You can cancel your order ;-)

Incidentally, I need to use a transit 3 or 4 times a year, that doesn't mean I feel I need to buy one as my daily driver.

Exactly. I think we are essentially agreeing. I'm just trying to make the point that it's a shame that this shortcoming of an (otherwise seemingly excellent) EV makes it a non starter for me. renting a car every time I need to do a long journey (which could be at short notice) would be a massive faff and expense.

[davyvee]

Sat behind a normal version of these yesterday. Comparable to a Ford B Max in size I would say.

[pSyCoSiS]

Always like the look of these - lights remind me of the Alfa SZ.

Great stats and a decent overall package.

[Panthro]

I like my EV for what it is....a cheap way to ferry my family around and do mundane things like commute. I'm not sure I'll be able to commit £65k on a performance EV, outright pace isn't everything and this has too many shortcomings to make it feasible.

[LivLL]

I'm with some of the others on this thread, bravo to Hyundai for making it and having a sense of humour with the fake gears, fake engine noises and rev limiter nonsense.

For me, a 2200kg hatch the size of a new Defender 90 that can barely do a couple hundred miles before needing a lengthy charging stop just isn't what I'm after.

I suspect anyone who lays out their own cash for this will have to be willing to take tens of thousands in depreciation.

[Wills2]

I would like one of these, I've got 12 months to go on my current lease, so I had a look at the lease terms and it's £1000 a month on a 4 year deal which is probably the reason we won't see that many, for the last 16 years I've leased/pcp a £60-70k car for around £550-£650 a month, but the current lease costs of these cars is eye watering and not a viable proposition for me.

Shame.

[Sebbak]

Wills2 said:

I would like one of these, I've got 12 months to go on my current lease, so I had a look at the lease terms and it's £1000 a month on a 4 year deal which is probably the reason we won't see that many, for the last 16 years I've leased/pcp a £60-70k car for around £550-£650 a month, but the current lease costs of these cars is eye watering and not a viable proposition for me.

Shame.

This is definitely where something like salary sacrifice helps a lot, which is great IF you can get it; you're right that main dealer leasing is not cheap. I was quoted something along the lines of £920 with a £6000 deposit or thereabouts.

Salary sacrifice is coming back as around £800 BUT that includes insurance for 2 people, VED (though its exempt for now), MOT and servicing, tyres (which I can see this thing eating!) and basically anything else besides fueling/charging it, plus 0 deposit required.

Now £800 is still a lot, granted, but taking into account my insurance quote was about £100 a month, tyres are £300+ a corner and any servicing fees, etc. This is replacing 2x cars (albeit relatively cheap ones to run) so that also means VED is now something we don't need to worry about and fuel, running the numbers means it's actually 'fairly' reasonable as a total package, though obviously depends on what options people have available and salary, current expenses etc.

[corcoran]

Wills2 said:

I think we've reached a new low, people are whinging about the usage of the word England, where did all this weirdness come from?

First day on the Internet, eh?

[Sion111R]

Stops need not be lengthy. Drove from Surrey to Cheshire last night. Fancied a break and a McDonalds. Stopped at McDonald Shirley just off the motorway which has InstaVolt Charging. Plugged in my Genesis for a quick top up. Went to McDonalds, ordered my burger and chips. Walked back to the car and it had already gained 60 miles. Unplugged, moved the car from the charging bay and then ate the food. Zero time lost over what was a pretty quick comfort break. When looking at an EV you must consider the charging capacity and which chargers they can handle. Some major manufacturers are definitely several steps behind compared to others.

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