RE: 2024 Hyundai Ioniq 5 N | UK Review
Discussion
tr3a said:
Here we go again. Moaning about range from those who have never lived with an EV and no information at all about fast charging speed, which is at least as important as range, if not more so.
According to the EV database, this thing can fast charge at 240 kW DC max and has an average (10-80%) fast charge speed of 210 kW. Its fast charge time from 38 to 308 km is just 17 minutes, which is quicker than most people need to stretch their legs, have a pee and get a snack. So there.
Yes, but I’m looking at this or the new Model 3 Performance and, in a trip I do 2 or 3 times a month, it’s the difference between stopping once for 20 mins or so on the way back, to having to find a destination charger (unlikely, given the site) or stop for much longer to do effectively a full charge, even allowing for the fact it will likely charge more quickly than the Tesla. According to the EV database, this thing can fast charge at 240 kW DC max and has an average (10-80%) fast charge speed of 210 kW. Its fast charge time from 38 to 308 km is just 17 minutes, which is quicker than most people need to stretch their legs, have a pee and get a snack. So there.
If that’s the case I accept that the Hyundai doesn’t work for me and I go for the Tesla. Nobody will die
911Spanker said:
Looks good as an alternative to the usual SUV school run car.
Recently sold the missus' RR that was used as a shopping and kid wagon. May need to look at this.
650hp to take the kids to school & go shopping! A quarter of that power would get the job done. With a condiderable drop in price I would think. Still, that won't have the preceived status. Recently sold the missus' RR that was used as a shopping and kid wagon. May need to look at this.
Darinz said:
Legacywr said:
Did I see one of these on the road this morning, or is there a similar looking model already?
They are out already, some registered and new models on autotrader. You may also have seen a "normal" ioniq 5 :-) Glosphil said:
911Spanker said:
Looks good as an alternative to the usual SUV school run car.
Recently sold the missus' RR that was used as a shopping and kid wagon. May need to look at this.
650hp to take the kids to school & go shopping! A quarter of that power would get the job done. With a condiderable drop in price I would think. Still, that won't have the preceived status. Recently sold the missus' RR that was used as a shopping and kid wagon. May need to look at this.
I lust after cars with nice engines, but I don't find myself lusting after EVs in the same way if you know what I mean. I think I just see the majority of EVs as white goods rightly or wrongly, regardless of their performance.
dukeboy749r said:
It just looks so BIG.
And this is their ‘hot hatch’!
Whilst power and the resulting speed and acceleration figures may be impressive, along with some of the electronically enabled features, the sheer size and weight just make this much less of a ‘fun choice’.
Cars like this, if EVs are truly the future, need an overall weight (and dimensions) reduction.
It is big - saw one next to a previous generation Range Rover Sport and the body dimensions are basically the same, it is just closer to the road.And this is their ‘hot hatch’!
Whilst power and the resulting speed and acceleration figures may be impressive, along with some of the electronically enabled features, the sheer size and weight just make this much less of a ‘fun choice’.
Cars like this, if EVs are truly the future, need an overall weight (and dimensions) reduction.
Does look cool, though...
Darinz said:
Other reviews I have seen say you can go full rear wheel drive whereas here it mentions it only goes to 90/10?
I think it can go full rear drive which should presumably tone down the speed a bit which would allow you to enjoy the driver focused features a little more! I suspect I'd have it in rear drive all the time if I had one.
I was not that interested in this car until these reviews popped up and now I am really intrigued. The only thing for me is that it is a bit garish... I'd have to go all black and wrap those red bits on the side!
My ideal scenario would be an ioniq 5 "touring" that looked like the normal car from the outside... Q car to the extreme!
£65k seems reasonable in all honesty for the EV market but I would prefer one depreciated a bit.
PS: Range... since the people who are wrong won't take it on board it feels pointless to say, but those who know, know 200+ miles is plenty in most scenarios (3-4+ hours driving), and PH conveniently leave out that during their test the range is more like 230mi (at 2.7m/k vs 2.2m/k when they got in) and of course, if you drive it in normal traffic you are going to see 250+ and then also the ioniq 5 with 800V charges absurdly quickly, so there no range issues *at all*
With regards to selecting rear wheel (or front wheel) drive only, you're right; that means a reduction in overall power as you will only be using the respective motor at either end. Think the rear motor is high 300 something bhp and the front is mid 200 something.I think it can go full rear drive which should presumably tone down the speed a bit which would allow you to enjoy the driver focused features a little more! I suspect I'd have it in rear drive all the time if I had one.
I was not that interested in this car until these reviews popped up and now I am really intrigued. The only thing for me is that it is a bit garish... I'd have to go all black and wrap those red bits on the side!
My ideal scenario would be an ioniq 5 "touring" that looked like the normal car from the outside... Q car to the extreme!
£65k seems reasonable in all honesty for the EV market but I would prefer one depreciated a bit.
PS: Range... since the people who are wrong won't take it on board it feels pointless to say, but those who know, know 200+ miles is plenty in most scenarios (3-4+ hours driving), and PH conveniently leave out that during their test the range is more like 230mi (at 2.7m/k vs 2.2m/k when they got in) and of course, if you drive it in normal traffic you are going to see 250+ and then also the ioniq 5 with 800V charges absurdly quickly, so there no range issues *at all*
Sebbak said:
With regards to selecting rear wheel (or front wheel) drive only, you're right; that means a reduction in overall power as you will only be using the respective motor at either end. Think the rear motor is high 300 something bhp and the front is mid 200 something.
Yeah totally - nearly 380bhp on the rear... hell of a lot but of course, chunky tyres. I'm more interested in this as 380hp rear driver than a 600 4 wheel drive, but to be able to turn on 4wd when needed... nice!
Legacywr said:
It was white, it made me look twice, I'm guess it was... it looked great BTW.
Yeah probably, they certainly look cool. I really like the design - of course I wish it was a bit smaller, but it is an SUV alternative more than a hatch alternative! I test drove the normal one and liked it a lot but couldn't get the ergonomics quite right for me... not sure the buckets in the N version would be better or not, might have to visit our (very friendly) local Hyundai dealer again when they have one! If not just to experience the "gearbox".
dukeboy749r said:
It just looks so BIG.
And this is their ‘hot hatch’!
Whilst power and the resulting speed and acceleration figures may be impressive, along with some of the electronically enabled features, the sheer size and weight just make this much less of a ‘fun choice’.
Cars like this, if EVs are truly the future, need an overall weight (and dimensions) reduction.
Its not their hot hatch.And this is their ‘hot hatch’!
Whilst power and the resulting speed and acceleration figures may be impressive, along with some of the electronically enabled features, the sheer size and weight just make this much less of a ‘fun choice’.
Cars like this, if EVs are truly the future, need an overall weight (and dimensions) reduction.
Hyundai market this car as a medium crossover and is perfectly comparable in size to cars like an ID5, Enyaq, Mustang Mach E and Q4 eTron.
People have just assumed it's a Golf size car as it has a compact car silhouette.
SDK said:
JAMSXR said:
Quite a few on Auto Trader with discounts, bodes well for the used market. However, the range is still a big letdown for a car like this (at this price point).
Our 200 mile family run around EV is fine, but I would want more from a car like this.
I never look at my RS4 mpg, but for some reason the efficiency of the family Tesla seems to be a thing. Not sure why, it costs nothing to run.
It's a press car with 650bhp, so likely driven with the throttle pedal fully pressed as often as possible. So simple physics dictates range will be much lowerOur 200 mile family run around EV is fine, but I would want more from a car like this.
I never look at my RS4 mpg, but for some reason the efficiency of the family Tesla seems to be a thing. Not sure why, it costs nothing to run.
Need more range?-> Drive less enthusiastically, or buy one of the lower power, less licence busting Ioniq 5's
In terms of energy use, 2.7 miles per kWh is the same as 91 MPG.
There are no ICE cars with this level of performance achieving 91 MPG, heck, doubtful there are any ICE cars, at any performance level averaging 91MPG !
Edited by SDK on Thursday 9th May 08:45
No doubt the efficacy/range will improve with future generations so it’s all looking pretty positive from my perspective. On paper I’ll take the new Model 3 performance though.
misterblonde said:
dukeboy749r said:
It just looks so BIG.
And this is their ‘hot hatch’!
Whilst power and the resulting speed and acceleration figures may be impressive, along with some of the electronically enabled features, the sheer size and weight just make this much less of a ‘fun choice’.
Cars like this, if EVs are truly the future, need an overall weight (and dimensions) reduction.
It is big - saw one next to a previous generation Range Rover Sport and the body dimensions are basically the same, it is just closer to the road.And this is their ‘hot hatch’!
Whilst power and the resulting speed and acceleration figures may be impressive, along with some of the electronically enabled features, the sheer size and weight just make this much less of a ‘fun choice’.
Cars like this, if EVs are truly the future, need an overall weight (and dimensions) reduction.
Does look cool, though...
Width: 1890 mm or 74.4 inches (excluding door mirrors)
Height: 1605 mm or 63 inches
Wheelbase: 3000 mm
Cargo capacity: 527 litres or 1587 litres (seats up/down) in all versions. The rear seats can slide 13 centimetres to allow more space for passengers or luggage.
Indeed very similar to RRS Mk1 but slighty shorter and similar width
cerb4.5lee said:
Glosphil said:
911Spanker said:
Looks good as an alternative to the usual SUV school run car.
Recently sold the missus' RR that was used as a shopping and kid wagon. May need to look at this.
650hp to take the kids to school & go shopping! A quarter of that power would get the job done. With a condiderable drop in price I would think. Still, that won't have the preceived status. Recently sold the missus' RR that was used as a shopping and kid wagon. May need to look at this.
I lust after cars with nice engines, but I don't find myself lusting after EVs in the same way if you know what I mean. I think I just see the majority of EVs as white goods rightly or wrongly, regardless of their performance.
I'll get one to replace a 4 pot turbodiesel daily driver and never look back am sure (get an EV that is, not this thing!), but i don't think i'm taking an overly ludditey position by saying i'll never pay a premium for a "performance" EV, or an EV as a "fun car". Good as i am sure this is - have sub-zero interest in it.
Another chap on PH in some other post had a great analogy: digital watches are better than mechanical watches in their core function of being a watch. They have been out for 50 odd years now, but there are next to no genuinely collectable digital watches, and next to no market for proper premium pieces today. You can understand that at the same time as understanding they tell the time better...
Edited by cidered77 on Thursday 9th May 12:24
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