Looking for a manual F430, any tips?
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17k more, 6 years newer & it's a 458!!
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
I love 430's but 120K is simply nuts!
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
I love 430's but 120K is simply nuts!
ferdi p said:
17k more, 6 years newer & it's a 458!!
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
I love 430's but 120K is simply nuts!
I agree - at the moment £120k does seem quite a lot of money for a manual F430 but this is a tricky one..... http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
I love 430's but 120K is simply nuts!
While we all know that the 458 is a more accomplished car, a flick through the classifieds shows us that in turn, the F430 is also considerably more advanced and far superior to many of the other, much older Ferrari's which are currently being offered for sale for even greater sums of money!
I noticed for example that a 1991 Testarossa is currently being offered for sale for £220k!! Much more expensive than a 458 or an F430.... No one can tell me that this Testarossa drives better than an F430 or a 458, or that it was a superior car! In fact some might say that it's only a step away from a Go Kart! So why is it so expensive? I guess it's priced at this level because the Testarossa is considered quite rare, collectable and was a car of significance within Ferrari's history.
While it's seems easy now to compare a manual F430 to a 458 and say the F430 is inferior and should therefore be worth much less, I'm not sure history will see it that way and many collectors are already beginning to recognise this, hence the price rises.
Remember, there were only 128 UK RHD Manual Transmission, F430's ever made!! This car is arguably the most advanced 6 speed manual that Ferrari ever made and they won't be making anymore!!
This is the end of an era, making the manual F430 significant within Ferrari's history. The car is also rare in terms of numbers, making it desirable to collectors and therefore an appreciating future classic.
No one really knows for certain what will happen but for me personally, I felt so confident in the above, that in April this year I decided to put my money where my mouth is and invest in one.... I'm still very happy that I did and while I'm prepared for time to prove myself and others wrong, I don't believe it will.
Edited by allister on Wednesday 18th November 00:57
I suppose these are just advertised prices anyway, ill believe it when someone comes on here & says they've paid 120k for a 2005 F430, until then, I genuinely believe that this is just dealers trying to manipulate prices.
They're hoping that when they advertise a similar car at 99,950 people will rush to buy a 'bargain' F430
They're hoping that when they advertise a similar car at 99,950 people will rush to buy a 'bargain' F430
voicey said:
There were more than that - I have 231 (112 coupes and 119 soft tops) but nobody knows for sure.
Apologies Voicey, my mistake - 128 was the figure I found relating JUST to soft tops, quoted on page two of this thread (see below)..... That said, whether totals combined are 231 or 257 as suggested below, I still think both Coupe and Convertible Manual Transmission F430's are pretty rare and relatively low in numbers.willfinch36 said:
Am I right in thinking the majority of the manual ones are 05/06?
F430 Coupe manual: 2005 - 59, 2006 - 40, 2007 - 19, 2008 - 11, 2009 - 0 - Total 129
F430 Coupe F1: 2005 - 133, 2006 - 209, 2007 - 212, 2008 - 138, 2009 - 35, 2010 - 4 - Total 731
F430 Spider manual: 2005 - 65, 2006 - 29, 2007 - 23, 2008 - 9, 2009 - 1, 2010 - 1 - Total 128
F430 Spider F1: 2005 - 137, 2006 - 192, 2007 - 248, 2008 - 220, 2009 - 48, 2010 - 2 - Total - 847
allister said:
Remember, there were only 128 UK RHD Manual Transmission, F430's ever made!! This car is arguably the most advanced 6 speed manual that Ferrari ever made and they won't be making anymore!!
Putting aside the later correction on numbers....why was that?. It was because at the time buyers were prepared to pay considerably more for the F1 version and until recently it was really hard to shift a manual 430. So an honest question what's changed?....
mike01606 said:
Putting aside the later correction on numbers....why was that?. It was because at the time buyers were prepared to pay considerably more for the F1 version and until recently it was really hard to shift a manual 430.
So an honest question what's changed?....
It was the latest tech at the time so it makes sense to me that a buyer of a new car would spec it. They didn't know or care that it would become an obsolete technology and expensive to maintain ten years down the road. So an honest question what's changed?....
mike01606 said:
Putting aside the later correction on numbers....why was that?. It was because at the time buyers were prepared to pay considerably more for the F1 version and until recently it was really hard to shift a manual 430.
So an honest question what's changed?....
I think when the car was ordered i think one of 2 things would come into play. So an honest question what's changed?....
1: the cost of the F1 system and to some degree the carbon brakes would push the price of the car up by quite a bit.
2: proper sports cars had always been manual so to have a manual was looked at as a "drivers car"
I like the idea of flappy paddles or should i say a sequential gearbox but with a clutch just like ALL F1 cars had and still have. But i can see in the real world it would be hard to get this as you can bring driver error into it and easily damage the gearbox.
Regarding what has changed, i think you only have to look to the 348 for that, shunned buy quite a few and labeled with all manner of issues but interest in that model has out stripped the market thus driving the price up.
I think it is fair to say the same has happened with the 430 manual the only difference is the 430 is a fantastic car and there is not much between driving experience it offers either in manual or F1 gearbox. It is personal preference and for me i like the manual.
For me i find myself is a difficult position, as it is getting to the point that selling the car i love and have cared for has reached an apparent selling price that is hard to resist.
mike01606 said:
Putting aside the later correction on numbers....why was that?. It was because at the time buyers were prepared to pay considerably more for the F1 version and until recently it was really hard to shift a manual 430.
So an honest question what's changed?....
World-wide, 95% of F430 clients ordered their cars with the F1 transmission because back in 2005, this gearbox was a stunning piece of technology.So an honest question what's changed?....
But things evolved in 10 years, and nowadays, as long as the F430 F1 gearbox remains a good one, the double-clutch system is the new generation. Plus, many F430 F1 got problems with the gearbox.
People realize also more and more that manual sport cars are disappearing (especially with N/A engines), that's why the demand for manual F430 is high.
A manual F430 is such an engaging car, you have to concentrate to be able to shift perfectly (light fly wheel, the revs is dropping quickly when you press the clutch), but as soon as you master it perfectly, this car is an ASTONISHING machine.
The last of the breed, because of a mid naturally-aspirated V8 and the mythic Ferrari manual gearbox, which indeed looks absolutely superb.
I've tested many manual sport cars and the F430 is really one of best, if not the best in its category
It's August 2023, and I've read this old thread with interest (and hindsight on my side). I'm in a lucky place where my wife and I need to find things for a decent chunk of money to do, and I reckon a comparatively small £100k - £150k of that chunk should go on a car that will make memories and grins, but also not result in me being in the dog house for a poor financial call some years down the line.
We've other cars for the day to day, and I've a DB9 Volante for summer evenings and weekends, so this would be a low mileage car hereonin for high days and holidays. I'm pretty much settled on a F430 manual, but would hugely value thoughts on the current market, mileage of cars to consider, and a couple of cars in particular. Links to follow. Thanks in advance!
We've other cars for the day to day, and I've a DB9 Volante for summer evenings and weekends, so this would be a low mileage car hereonin for high days and holidays. I'm pretty much settled on a F430 manual, but would hugely value thoughts on the current market, mileage of cars to consider, and a couple of cars in particular. Links to follow. Thanks in advance!
It looks like you know this already, since you are clearly not ruling out higher mile cars, but don't get hung up on mileage. Condition and maintenance is vastly more important, and lack of use can be a source of significant problems depending on the pattern of use. Low mileage can also be absolutely fine too, as long as it gets a good run every now and then.
That one at Foskers has done 13k miles in 17 years. The first thing I would want to know is what the recent mileage history is. It sounds like you want to use and enjoy your Ferrari, if that one has been laid up in a garage for the last 4 years only driving to the garage every 12 months to get an MOT then I'd be very cautious.
On a personal note I had a DB9 Volante like you before my 430. They are very different, and while I love the Ferrari there are days when I miss my good old British GT car; I am jealous of your eventual garage.
That one at Foskers has done 13k miles in 17 years. The first thing I would want to know is what the recent mileage history is. It sounds like you want to use and enjoy your Ferrari, if that one has been laid up in a garage for the last 4 years only driving to the garage every 12 months to get an MOT then I'd be very cautious.
On a personal note I had a DB9 Volante like you before my 430. They are very different, and while I love the Ferrari there are days when I miss my good old British GT car; I am jealous of your eventual garage.
Just bear in mind the manuals were what you could call the "poverty spec" cars - if you can ever attach such a label to a Ferrari !
That means they will have the steel brakes, and basic seat/interior spec with little or no options ticked at point of order/purchase as the original owner was buying on a budget (sort of).
You might be lucky and find one with the right bits attached, but that is extremely rare, and you will pay an extortionate premium for those manual cars with CCM Brakes, Carbon Race Seats, and any other factory option Carbon bits.
Generally most of manual cars tend to be the earlier models 2005~7, later cars 2008~9 are quite rare (CCM's were standard fit at this point).
In other words choose wisely, and not the first one that comes along just for the sake of having the manual. Do your homework !
That means they will have the steel brakes, and basic seat/interior spec with little or no options ticked at point of order/purchase as the original owner was buying on a budget (sort of).
You might be lucky and find one with the right bits attached, but that is extremely rare, and you will pay an extortionate premium for those manual cars with CCM Brakes, Carbon Race Seats, and any other factory option Carbon bits.
Generally most of manual cars tend to be the earlier models 2005~7, later cars 2008~9 are quite rare (CCM's were standard fit at this point).
In other words choose wisely, and not the first one that comes along just for the sake of having the manual. Do your homework !
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