EVs... no one wants them!
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Gary and Bricktop, you guys should head over to this thread and watch the Youtube video of the Ioniq 5N EV around the ring.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Driving starts at about 12 minutes in.
Might make a change from obsessing about range and inferior energy densities, the car certainly doesn't seem to give a s
t about the fact it weights 2.2 tons and neither does the driver!
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Driving starts at about 12 minutes in.
Might make a change from obsessing about range and inferior energy densities, the car certainly doesn't seem to give a s
t about the fact it weights 2.2 tons and neither does the driver! plfrench said:
Probably because he knows what he's talking about from an engineering perspective and that is a good thing in my mind.
Just got back from enjoying a sunny roof down spin in the TVR - perfect weather for it - wasting some energy as heat and noise
Wish I could say the same. Spent the day cutting hawthorn hedges with my electric hedge trimmer. Load of crap, took ages, got through loads of batteries and I got sunburned in the process. I’m off to buy a petrol Stihl trimmer tomorrow. Electric? Load of sJust got back from enjoying a sunny roof down spin in the TVR - perfect weather for it - wasting some energy as heat and noise
t! M4cruiser said:
Sheepshanks said:
I had an ID.3 on demo for a few days and I don’t recall thinking ‘wow’ at any point, apart from how much it was.
Yes, but that's because your Skoda is set up like the ID.3, for reasons I can't understand. The Golf isn't "faulty" as far as I can make out, I've Googled and asked, and get similar responses. It's painful to drive.
M4cruiser said:
The prices are another thing! The same ID.3 can be £42K for a new "Pro" to £28K for the same thing pre-reg with 10 miles on the clock. Nissan Leafs are doing similar, with £39K new being sold as £20K pre-reg.
Yes, to go against the thread title, I'm keen to get an EV onto the family "fleet" - one would save our daughter, who does a 65 mile round trip commute, a fortune in petrol costs. It's just that every EV I consider seems to have unacceptable compromises in its equipment - although probably the same would happen if looking at an ICE car now.KingGary said:
Wish I could say the same. Spent the day cutting hawthorn hedges with my electric hedge trimmer. Load of crap, took ages, got through loads of batteries and I got sunburned in the process. I’m off to buy a petrol Stihl trimmer tomorrow. Electric? Load of st!
yeah! that'll lern everyone good. t! GT9 said:
Gary and Bricktop, you guys should head over to this thread and watch the Youtube video of the Ioniq 5N EV around the ring.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Driving starts at about 12 minutes in.
Might make a change from obsessing about range and inferior energy densities, the car certainly doesn't seem to give a st about the fact it weights 2.2 tons and neither does the driver!
Two laps and out of juice. 15 minute sessions. No thanks.https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Driving starts at about 12 minutes in.
Might make a change from obsessing about range and inferior energy densities, the car certainly doesn't seem to give a s
t about the fact it weights 2.2 tons and neither does the driver! BricktopST205 said:
GT9 said:
Gary and Bricktop, you guys should head over to this thread and watch the Youtube video of the Ioniq 5N EV around the ring.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Driving starts at about 12 minutes in.
Might make a change from obsessing about range and inferior energy densities, the car certainly doesn't seem to give a st about the fact it weights 2.2 tons and neither does the driver!
Two laps and out of juice. 15 minute sessions. No thanks.https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Driving starts at about 12 minutes in.
Might make a change from obsessing about range and inferior energy densities, the car certainly doesn't seem to give a s
t about the fact it weights 2.2 tons and neither does the driver! 
Can you imagine the headache for small independent dealers when used EV's become more numerous? Customer wants a decent test drive, but the battery only got 5 miles left and it hadn't been recharged after last customer?
Maybe they have 5 or 6 EV's on the forecourt - it could become a ballache having to manage the cars or invest in numerous fast chargers
Just to add - I love EVs and love ICE too. Just pointing out the potential issues as the transition takes a grip and pick up momentum
Maybe they have 5 or 6 EV's on the forecourt - it could become a ballache having to manage the cars or invest in numerous fast chargers
Just to add - I love EVs and love ICE too. Just pointing out the potential issues as the transition takes a grip and pick up momentum
otolith said:
Fastdruid said:
Your do know that EVs were about over a century ago?
They were smoother, quiet, nice to drive, lower maintenance, didn't stink etc etc.
ICE won out.
nickfrog said:
Can you imagine if we had gone the EV route without gearboxes to start with and suddenly someone says an ICE sounds better, is lighter and despite being catastrophically inneficient thermally, remains an option.
But then it requires a totally different transmission where a box full of various size cogs is required as well as a new driver hand operated linkage that with the help of a clutch that is foot operated through an additional pedal will allow the shift from one cog to the other depending on rpm, road speed, load etc ..
I am not convinced what the reaction would be. I would love to see the comments in a dystopian parallel forum.
Now imagine the comments about a diesel version lol.
Nothing there is in relation to the battery... in 1897 the best selling car in the US was an EV. Specifically the Columbia Electric Coach which had no gears and was easy to drive, utterly unlike the ICE of the time which were noisy, smelly, hard to drive, unreliable and awkward to maintain.But then it requires a totally different transmission where a box full of various size cogs is required as well as a new driver hand operated linkage that with the help of a clutch that is foot operated through an additional pedal will allow the shift from one cog to the other depending on rpm, road speed, load etc ..
I am not convinced what the reaction would be. I would love to see the comments in a dystopian parallel forum.
Now imagine the comments about a diesel version lol.
That said, it's an interesting thought experiment. If lithium ion cells were available in the early 1900's would the first generation of EV's have been more viable? Instead they all but died out for a century as ICE became more reliable and easy to use.
tamore said:
KingGary said:
Wish I could say the same. Spent the day cutting hawthorn hedges with my electric hedge trimmer. Load of crap, took ages, got through loads of batteries and I got sunburned in the process. I’m off to buy a petrol Stihl trimmer tomorrow. Electric? Load of st!
yeah! that'll lern everyone good. t! lord trumpton said:
Can you imagine the headache for small independent dealers when used EV's become more numerous? Customer wants a decent test drive, but the battery only got 5 miles left and it hadn't been recharged after last customer?
Maybe they have 5 or 6 EV's on the forecourt - it could become a ballache having to manage the cars or invest in numerous fast chargers
Just to add - I love EVs and love ICE too. Just pointing out the potential issues as the transition takes a grip and pick up momentum
no issue really. charge it on the dealership's supply (probably on an installed 7kW charger) until it has 100 miles in it. how many test drives does that cover?Maybe they have 5 or 6 EV's on the forecourt - it could become a ballache having to manage the cars or invest in numerous fast chargers
Just to add - I love EVs and love ICE too. Just pointing out the potential issues as the transition takes a grip and pick up momentum
should be sub 20p kWh soon, or better still as a dealer get a grant for the charger and a shed load of solar/ batteries. i'm about to do so as a brewery and the contribution is 80%!
plfrench said:
KingGary said:
It’s like you wheel out GT9 any time something important needs to be said.
Probably because he knows what he's talking about from an engineering perspective and that is a good thing in my mind. nickfrog said:
plfrench said:
KingGary said:
It’s like you wheel out GT9 any time something important needs to be said.
Probably because he knows what he's talking about from an engineering perspective and that is a good thing in my mind. KingGary said:
tamore said:
KingGary said:
Wish I could say the same. Spent the day cutting hawthorn hedges with my electric hedge trimmer. Load of crap, took ages, got through loads of batteries and I got sunburned in the process. I’m off to buy a petrol Stihl trimmer tomorrow. Electric? Load of st!
yeah! that'll lern everyone good. t! k is that supposed to mean and to whom?nickfrog said:
I think it's actually quite embarrassing when your average geezer with an obvious lack of the most basic understanding of automotive engineering argues with an automotive engineer who takes the time to share his knowledge in a candid and approachable manner.
Automotive engineers brought us formula E, the Austin Princess, the Reliant Robin and the Chrysler PT Cruiser.Remember that.
KingGary said:
nickfrog said:
plfrench said:
KingGary said:
It’s like you wheel out GT9 any time something important needs to be said.
Probably because he knows what he's talking about from an engineering perspective and that is a good thing in my mind. Perhaps you should take yourself a little more seriously if you can't see that.
BricktopST205 said:
nickfrog said:
I think it's actually quite embarrassing when your average geezer with an obvious lack of the most basic understanding of automotive engineering argues with an automotive engineer who takes the time to share his knowledge in a candid and approachable manner.
Automotive engineers brought us formula E, the Austin Princess, the Reliant Robin and the Chrysler PT Cruiser.Remember that.
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