2024 Sportscar Thread (WEC, IMSA, NLS, GT World Challenge)
Discussion
732NM said:
Very harsh, the Proton Porsche in front drifted right and closed the gap, despite the driver saying he kept it straight.
It would have been tight, but that was a significant factor IMHO.
Harsh? He managed to hit both the car in front and the one behind - the gap wasn't there!It would have been tight, but that was a significant factor IMHO.
732NM said:
Very harsh, the Proton Porsche in front drifted right and closed the gap, despite the driver saying he kept it straight.
It would have been tight, but that was a significant factor IMHO.
He could have backed out of it. He wanted the position and misjudged the gap. A penalty is fair as it was a mistake that resulted in a big collision.It would have been tight, but that was a significant factor IMHO.
egomeister said:
Harsh? He managed to hit both the car in front and the one behind - the gap wasn't there!
Had the Porsche not drifted right, there was a gap. Just watch the video, the Porsche moves to the centre of the road from the left side as they approach the BMW. It was a contributing factor and the Porsche driver knew it as the very first thing he said when interviewed was he kept it straight, which he didn't. 732NM said:
Had the Porsche not drifted right, there was a gap. Just watch the video, the Porsche moves to the centre of the road from the left side as they approach the BMW. It was a contributing factor and the Porsche driver knew it as the very first thing he said when interviewed was he kept it straight, which he didn't.
The car in front can what it wants as long as he doesn’t move late or drive the other car off the roadBamber tried to go right before he had cleared the BMW, and he ended up hitting both it and the Porsche
I really like Bamber and he is mighty quick, but that was all on him making the wrong choice
732NM said:
Very harsh, the Proton Porsche in front drifted right and closed the gap, despite the driver saying he kept it straight.
It would have been tight, but that was a significant factor IMHO.
No blame was attributed to the Porsche by the stewards. 100% Bamber's fault for driving into the back of the Porsche then moving right into the BMW.It would have been tight, but that was a significant factor IMHO.
Rast was also seen at fault for driving into the rear of the Jota Porsche and causing that crash with the #46 BMW.
Great result for Manthey in LMGT3 too!
Very amusing that Ferrari threw their toys out of the pram too after the race. It cost them 1,000€ in cash.
Edited by airbusA346 on Sunday 12th May 18:48
If the Steward’s primary reason for the race extension was, as has been reported, ”sporting fairness”, I understand Ferrari’s objection.
The rules allowed the extension at their discretion, so be honest, and admit it was to provide the audiences with racing, regardless who benefited from the Red Flag.
The rules allowed the extension at their discretion, so be honest, and admit it was to provide the audiences with racing, regardless who benefited from the Red Flag.
freedman said:
The car in front can what it wants as long as he doesn’t move late or drive the other car off the road
Bamber tried to go right before he had cleared the BMW, and he ended up hitting both it and the Porsche
I really like Bamber and he is mighty quick, but that was all on him making the wrong choice
I'm obviously a more generous soul. Bamber tried to go right before he had cleared the BMW, and he ended up hitting both it and the Porsche
I really like Bamber and he is mighty quick, but that was all on him making the wrong choice
Shame, they were on for a good result.
Leithen said:
If the Steward’s primary reason for the race extension was, as has been reported, ”sporting fairness”, I understand Ferrari’s objection.
The rules allowed the extension at their discretion, so be honest, and admit it was to provide the audiences with racing, regardless who benefited from the Red Flag.
In this case the organisers couldn’t satisfy everyoneThe rules allowed the extension at their discretion, so be honest, and admit it was to provide the audiences with racing, regardless who benefited from the Red Flag.
The race was under 75% so would have only been half points and the teams that had stopped would have been penalised
Putting the race back on, and giving the paying public a full race was a good if unexpected call, IMO
freedman said:
Leithen said:
If the Steward’s primary reason for the race extension was, as has been reported, ”sporting fairness”, I understand Ferrari’s objection.
The rules allowed the extension at their discretion, so be honest, and admit it was to provide the audiences with racing, regardless who benefited from the Red Flag.
In this case the organisers couldn’t satisfy everyoneThe rules allowed the extension at their discretion, so be honest, and admit it was to provide the audiences with racing, regardless who benefited from the Red Flag.
The race was under 75% so would have only been half points and the teams that had stopped would have been penalised
Putting the race back on, and giving the paying public a full race was a good if unexpected call, IMO
But full course yellows and red flags which interrupt refuelling strategies destroy any notion of sporting fairness. Sporting pot luck, which again is fine, but the stewards shouldn't pretend it's anything else.
And Porsche now finish 1st & 3rd in IMSA at Laguna Seca, along with 1st in GTD Pro
Interesting race, and a great move for the lead by Tandy when Aitkens Cadillac made a bad choice lapping backmarkers
Add in a 1-2 in the Creventic 24 hours of Portimao and is was a pretty epic weekend for Porsche
Interesting race, and a great move for the lead by Tandy when Aitkens Cadillac made a bad choice lapping backmarkers
Add in a 1-2 in the Creventic 24 hours of Portimao and is was a pretty epic weekend for Porsche
freedman said:
Leithen said:
If the Steward’s primary reason for the race extension was, as has been reported, ”sporting fairness”, I understand Ferrari’s objection.
The rules allowed the extension at their discretion, so be honest, and admit it was to provide the audiences with racing, regardless who benefited from the Red Flag.
In this case the organisers couldn’t satisfy everyoneThe rules allowed the extension at their discretion, so be honest, and admit it was to provide the audiences with racing, regardless who benefited from the Red Flag.
The race was under 75% so would have only been half points and the teams that had stopped would have been penalised
Putting the race back on, and giving the paying public a full race was a good if unexpected call, IMO
Having done it once, one assumes that it will now become the default for the race director and stewards, weather and event schedule permitting, to stop the clock when the race is suspended for any length of time.
The sporting fairness is a difficult one, given that the suspension ocured in the middle of the pit window where some cars had stopped, some had to take a splash during the safety car, and others had to pit on the first green lap and were shuffled to the back - but that would all have been the case irrespective of whether or not the race time was extended. The timing of incidents is the luck of the draw in an endurance race or a Grand Prix, mostly out of the hands of the team strategists.
Sandpit Steve said:
...The timing of incidents is the luck of the draw in an endurance race....
Indeed. Just one of the uncontrollable variables that make the sport interesting.As mentioned above, I wonder if the decision to extend the race would have gone the other way if the Red Flag had occurred just past the 75% distance rather than just before?
Another great race and a superb yet very unexpected decision to resume the race after the Bamber crash. It still felt like the race flew by all too quickly! Amazing to see Spa completely un-moistened for that length of time.
Does anyone know how the BoP may unfold for Le Mans? Looking at the changes for Spa it seemed a little strange. Added weight for the Isotta, really?? Toyota won yet Ferrari got the bigger weight penalty.
Does anyone know how the BoP may unfold for Le Mans? Looking at the changes for Spa it seemed a little strange. Added weight for the Isotta, really?? Toyota won yet Ferrari got the bigger weight penalty.
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