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Armitage.Shanks said:
Were the F1 gearboxes actually that good? No not by todays standards and a manual gated Ferrari in the classic market will always win hands down.
Talking of Ferrari gearboxes it's worth pointing out the difference for anyone that doesn't know.I drove a 360 with F1 in 2003 and it was truly awful. The gear changes took about 3 seconds. It is an automated manual so it has a normal clutch which is operated for you, assuming by hydraulic rams. But these are slow. Feels like an old aged pensioner changing gears for you. First couple of changes I thought it was broken.
After about 30 minutes I found the sport button which made everything a bit quicker and then it was ok. Not brilliant but reasonable in comparison to normal or OAP mode.
You just can't compare their F1 to PDK which is a fancy dual clutch system. Totally different ball game. To be fair it's probably better than the equivalent tiptronic from that era which I call a full slusher. F1 first appeared around 1997 I think on the 355. So it's very very old tech.
ATM said:
Talking of Ferrari gearboxes it's worth pointing out the difference for anyone that doesn't know.
I drove a 360 with F1 in 2003 and it was truly awful. The gear changes took about 3 seconds. It is an automated manual so it has a normal clutch which is operated for you, assuming by hydraulic rams. But these are slow. Feels like an old aged pensioner changing gears for you. First couple of changes I thought it was broken.
After about 30 minutes I found the sport button which made everything a bit quicker and then it was ok. Not brilliant but reasonable in comparison to normal or OAP mode.
You just can't compare their F1 to PDK which is a fancy dual clutch system. Totally different ball game. To be fair it's probably better than the equivalent tiptronic from that era which I call a full slusher. F1 first appeared around 1997 I think on the 355. So it's very very old tech.
Try a 430 Scuderia … the F1 system taken to it’s logical conclusion I drove a 360 with F1 in 2003 and it was truly awful. The gear changes took about 3 seconds. It is an automated manual so it has a normal clutch which is operated for you, assuming by hydraulic rams. But these are slow. Feels like an old aged pensioner changing gears for you. First couple of changes I thought it was broken.
After about 30 minutes I found the sport button which made everything a bit quicker and then it was ok. Not brilliant but reasonable in comparison to normal or OAP mode.
You just can't compare their F1 to PDK which is a fancy dual clutch system. Totally different ball game. To be fair it's probably better than the equivalent tiptronic from that era which I call a full slusher. F1 first appeared around 1997 I think on the 355. So it's very very old tech.
Also worth noting that the 360 Challenge Stradale TCU/software can be programmed into 360 Modena, and makes for a marked improvement in shift times.
I've always fancied one of these. What do we think it'll make??
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1987-porsche-r...
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1987-porsche-r...
enzoenzo said:
I've always fancied one of these. What do we think it'll make??
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1987-porsche-r...
The owner (if the same from a few years back) totally scored on this one. It was around the lockdown period and was like £30K or something like that. https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1987-porsche-r...
I can see that selling for circa £100K.
KittyLitter said:
The owner (if the same from a few years back) totally scored on this one. It was around the lockdown period and was like £30K or something like that.
I can see that selling for circa £100K.
Wow. What a result.I can see that selling for circa £100K.
I am guessing it'll go for more than £100k, as RUF prices in Europe are getting crazy, and this is LHD. Might this car end up in Europe?
A new RUF now starts at €950,000 !
This will be an interesting sale.
KittyLitter said:
enzoenzo said:
I've always fancied one of these. What do we think it'll make??
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1987-porsche-r...
The owner (if the same from a few years back) totally scored on this one. It was around the lockdown period and was like £30K or something like that. https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1987-porsche-r...
I can see that selling for circa £100K.
ATM said:
Talking of Ferrari gearboxes it's worth pointing out the difference for anyone that doesn't know.
I drove a 360 with F1 in 2003 and it was truly awful. The gear changes took about 3 seconds. It is an automated manual so it has a normal clutch which is operated for you, assuming by hydraulic rams. But these are slow. Feels like an old aged pensioner changing gears for you. First couple of changes I thought it was broken.
After about 30 minutes I found the sport button which made everything a bit quicker and then it was ok. Not brilliant but reasonable in comparison to normal or OAP mode.
You just can't compare their F1 to PDK which is a fancy dual clutch system. Totally different ball game. To be fair it's probably better than the equivalent tiptronic from that era which I call a full slusher. F1 first appeared around 1997 I think on the 355. So it's very very old tech.
That's a bit unfair on the F1 systems. Trying just the first iteration and drawing big sweeping statements that cover subsequent models is a bit silly I drove a 360 with F1 in 2003 and it was truly awful. The gear changes took about 3 seconds. It is an automated manual so it has a normal clutch which is operated for you, assuming by hydraulic rams. But these are slow. Feels like an old aged pensioner changing gears for you. First couple of changes I thought it was broken.
After about 30 minutes I found the sport button which made everything a bit quicker and then it was ok. Not brilliant but reasonable in comparison to normal or OAP mode.
You just can't compare their F1 to PDK which is a fancy dual clutch system. Totally different ball game. To be fair it's probably better than the equivalent tiptronic from that era which I call a full slusher. F1 first appeared around 1997 I think on the 355. So it's very very old tech.
It's like trying SMG1 in the E36 M3 - which was s
t - and concluding that SMG3 in the E60 M5 was also st, which it most definitely wasn't.F1s evolved and while not great in the 355/360, they are amazing in the Maserati Granturismo Stradale / F599 GTO /F430 Scud with a shift time of 60msec. Far more engaging than a PDK box, while almost as fast.
The problem with the F1/SMG system is that it needs to be set up correctly. Very few dealers/specialists actually know how to! Unless you really have all the documentation and know how it works on an intricate level, letting the software do its thing isn't enough... But my God!, when they are set up correctly, they are so much more fun and drama compared to a PDK/DCT/DSG/ZF8 and whatever else you want to call it...
Cheburator mk2 said:
ATM said:
Talking of Ferrari gearboxes it's worth pointing out the difference for anyone that doesn't know.
I drove a 360 with F1 in 2003 and it was truly awful. The gear changes took about 3 seconds. It is an automated manual so it has a normal clutch which is operated for you, assuming by hydraulic rams. But these are slow. Feels like an old aged pensioner changing gears for you. First couple of changes I thought it was broken.
After about 30 minutes I found the sport button which made everything a bit quicker and then it was ok. Not brilliant but reasonable in comparison to normal or OAP mode.
You just can't compare their F1 to PDK which is a fancy dual clutch system. Totally different ball game. To be fair it's probably better than the equivalent tiptronic from that era which I call a full slusher. F1 first appeared around 1997 I think on the 355. So it's very very old tech.
That's a bit unfair on the F1 systems. Trying just the first iteration and drawing big sweeping statements that cover subsequent models is a bit silly I drove a 360 with F1 in 2003 and it was truly awful. The gear changes took about 3 seconds. It is an automated manual so it has a normal clutch which is operated for you, assuming by hydraulic rams. But these are slow. Feels like an old aged pensioner changing gears for you. First couple of changes I thought it was broken.
After about 30 minutes I found the sport button which made everything a bit quicker and then it was ok. Not brilliant but reasonable in comparison to normal or OAP mode.
You just can't compare their F1 to PDK which is a fancy dual clutch system. Totally different ball game. To be fair it's probably better than the equivalent tiptronic from that era which I call a full slusher. F1 first appeared around 1997 I think on the 355. So it's very very old tech.
It's like trying SMG1 in the E36 M3 - which was s
t - and concluding that SMG3 in the E60 M5 was also st, which it most definitely wasn't.F1s evolved and while not great in the 355/360, they are amazing in the Maserati Granturismo Stradale / F599 GTO /F430 Scud with a shift time of 60msec. Far more engaging than a PDK box, while almost as fast.
The problem with the F1/SMG system is that it needs to be set up correctly. Very few dealers/specialists actually know how to! Unless you really have all the documentation and know how it works on an intricate level, letting the software do its thing isn't enough... But my God!, when they are set up correctly, they are so much more fun and drama compared to a PDK/DCT/DSG/ZF8 and whatever else you want to call it...
Sukh13 said:
I am ready to hear about stone chips, paint condition and various other reasons why that price isn't representative of the market.
I'm happier the cheaper the RS' get it gives me a better chance to one day chop in the GT4 for one but that car had a few points that maybe dettered some buyers.1. Slightly odd spec of Weissach but crucially no roll cage.
2. Replacement engine entirely at 800 miles (wouldn't bother me tbh)
3. Yellow is a bit polarising (I personally love it though)
honda_exige said:
Sukh13 said:
I am ready to hear about stone chips, paint condition and various other reasons why that price isn't representative of the market.
I'm happier the cheaper the RS' get it gives me a better chance to one day chop in the GT4 for one but that car had a few points that maybe dettered some buyers.1. Slightly odd spec of Weissach but crucially no roll cage.
2. Replacement engine entirely at 800 miles (wouldn't bother me tbh)
3. Yellow is a bit polarising (I personally love it though)
KittyLitter said:
enzoenzo said:
I've always fancied one of these. What do we think it'll make??
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1987-porsche-r...
The owner (if the same from a few years back) totally scored on this one. It was around the lockdown period and was like £30K or something like that. https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1987-porsche-r...
I can see that selling for circa £100K.
I reckon nearer £150k as a Collecting Cars result.
It'll be interesting to see that now the chipped rotors have been spotted what this will make
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2017-porsche-9...
Wills2 said:
It'll be interesting to see that now the chipped rotors have been spotted what this will make
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2017-porsche-9...
they don't see it as an issuehttps://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2017-porsche-9...
ChrisW. said:
It's not they, it's the current owner who doesn't want it to be an issue to him or her.
I wonder what an independent inspection would conclude ?
Irrespective it feels a significant item not to disclose ??
Wonder if it would've been parked up 30cm more forwards if the owner was aware...I wonder what an independent inspection would conclude ?
Irrespective it feels a significant item not to disclose ??
I bought my pccb GT4 from an Indy and went over the discs with a fine toothcomb when I arrived to pick it up but must admit it never occurred to me (was way too excited to think straight) to move the car forward and check the disc segment hidden by the calipers. Luckily all good
It looks too big for even a Rebrake repair and will never get Porsche warranty as is. Hope whoever buys it has their eyes open.
It's not hard or too pricey to replace them with steels so max I would pay would be a few K under Steel price. Maybe a bit more if you can be bothered to sell the good discs and get a not small amount of money back - though at least one of the discs has some heavy marking, could be pad transfer but I've not seen it that bad on pccb.
Edited by honda_exige on Wednesday 22 May 14:27
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