BMW ICE 5 years behind?
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Condi said:
Twice the product for half the price. I am struggling to see why anyone with half a brain would have bought a BMW new. Imagine spending over £30k on something with such low spec
You also bought it. Maybe the person that bought it new did their homework before they purchased it. In 2016 there would have been a sizeable discount.
Condi said:
To add to the cluster-f
k of things BMW don't think it sensible to include, today I found out folding rear seats were an option! What the juddering fk? On a car designed to be the ideal family mobile, why the hell did they think folding rear seats needed to be an option?! It's been standard on every car I've owned in 20 years, but oooooh no, not the 3 series... not the car designed for families!
FFS, it's a fking joke. Can't take my mountain bike anywhere now, especially when away for days at a time, can't pick up lengths of timber from B+Q, struggled to bring some gardening tools back from a mates place earlier as the boot had to be strapped down. I think this maybe one "option" too far, time to look for something new. As well as the car drives, if I want something entirely impractical but good to drive, I wouldn't have bought a fking 4 door 3 series.
Folding seats have been an option on a saloon for a while now; it’s exactly why I’d never buy a saloon because there are / were plenty of people who never ticked the box when ordering new. Luckily they’re standard on the coupe / touring so both of our cars are ok k of things BMW don't think it sensible to include, today I found out folding rear seats were an option! What the juddering fk? On a car designed to be the ideal family mobile, why the hell did they think folding rear seats needed to be an option?! It's been standard on every car I've owned in 20 years, but oooooh no, not the 3 series... not the car designed for families! FFS, it's a f
king joke. Can't take my mountain bike anywhere now, especially when away for days at a time, can't pick up lengths of timber from B+Q, struggled to bring some gardening tools back from a mates place earlier as the boot had to be strapped down. I think this maybe one "option" too far, time to look for something new. As well as the car drives, if I want something entirely impractical but good to drive, I wouldn't have bought a fking 4 door 3 series. 
On a more serious note, if lugging stuff about / family duties is a priority, why not search for an F31?
None of these “design problems” seem to have appeared overnight.
Sounds like you rushed into a purchase, 10 minute test drive?!?
Given it’s just a diesel 3 series, hundreds available locally at all times if that was all the dealer had time for I’d have just found another. Hell maybe another would have the spec you actually wanted.
Sounds like you rushed into a purchase, 10 minute test drive?!?
Given it’s just a diesel 3 series, hundreds available locally at all times if that was all the dealer had time for I’d have just found another. Hell maybe another would have the spec you actually wanted.
Jamescrs said:
SteBrown91 said:
Have you not sold it yet?
Just accept it you bought the wrong car and move on.
Glad I'm not the only one wondering why the OP doesn't just sell the car and move on. Just accept it you bought the wrong car and move on.
This thread is simply a list of things I am amazed are not standard on a car costing £30k. The reason I keep adding to it is because I keep finding new things which nearly every other car has but a £30k BMW does not.
On a test drive folding rear seats was not something I looked for as every other car has them! It's like buying some gloves and finding the thumb is missing. Wtf?! It shouldn't be a thing any buyer needs to look for. Now I know it is, I'll be more cautious next time.
Are there any other options I need to look out for? Were the airbags optional? ABS? All 4 wheels?
Condi said:
Jamescrs said:
SteBrown91 said:
Have you not sold it yet?
Just accept it you bought the wrong car and move on.
Glad I'm not the only one wondering why the OP doesn't just sell the car and move on. Just accept it you bought the wrong car and move on.
This thread is simply a list of things I am amazed are not standard on a car costing £30k. The reason I keep adding to it is because I keep finding new things which nearly every other car has but a £30k BMW does not.
On a test drive folding rear seats was not something I looked for as every other car has them! It's like buying some gloves and finding the thumb is missing. Wtf?! It shouldn't be a thing any buyer needs to look for. Now I know it is, I'll be more cautious next time.
Are there any other options I need to look out for? Were the airbags optional? ABS? All 4 wheels?
It's getting boring now
d_a_n1979 said:
Accept the car as it is and stop fecking whining.. Don't like it, sell it & move on... Like it; STFU and enjoy it for what it is...
It's getting boring now
Problem is that I don't know what the car is - or isn't - because there are new things which are seemingly missing all the time. As and when I find new ones, I'll add to it, as much as a warning to anyone else. It's getting boring now
Feel free to unfollow the thread, it's not hard. Other people may find it useful to read it in future, so when they buy an F30 they know to what to look for.
Condi said:
d_a_n1979 said:
Accept the car as it is and stop fecking whining.. Don't like it, sell it & move on... Like it; STFU and enjoy it for what it is...
It's getting boring now
Problem is that I don't know what the car is - or isn't - because there are new things which are seemingly missing all the time. As and when I find new ones, I'll add to it, as much as a warning to anyone else. It's getting boring now
Feel free to unfollow the thread, it's not hard. Other people may find it useful to read it in future, so when they buy an F30 they know to what to look for.
Sounds more like you rushed into its purchase without knowing what the car had/didn’t have rather than waiting until you found the right car with the right spec
There’s only you to blame. Not BMW or anyone else
Don’t worry. For manufacturing and supply simplicity, there will soon be just one wiring harness and all options will be activated by a subscription service. It will end up similar to the King Camp Gillette strategy, who sold razors at a loss and made his profit on the on-going sale of the blades.
steve_n said:
Non folding rear seats have some advantages. Granted your average driver won't notice but they are considerably lighter and provide more structural rigidity to the chassis. Ergo, there's a choice.
What is the difference in weight..... 4 or 5kg at most? On a 1600kg car that is a 0.25% reduction, or about 1 gallon of fuel. There is absolutely no way that is why BMW didn't fit them as standard, like they did in all other F3x variants. There is a choice because BMW are a
holes. I can't even believe it saved any money, the costs of having 2 different sets of parts must have been at least as much as the saving on 2 latches and 2 hinges. d_a_n1979 said:
Nothing is missing, it just wasn’t spec’d.
Sounds more like you rushed into its purchase without knowing what the car had/didn’t have rather than waiting until you found the right car with the right spec
It is missing because any reasonable person would expect it to be there. I didn't rush into the purchase, more simply didn't know that things which are standard on a Ford, Audi or Toyota would be paid for extra's on top of a car which was upwards of £30k new, especially on something which is supposed to be a practical family wagon. Sounds more like you rushed into its purchase without knowing what the car had/didn’t have rather than waiting until you found the right car with the right spec
Condi said:
d_a_n1979 said:
Nothing is missing, it just wasn’t spec’d.
Sounds more like you rushed into its purchase without knowing what the car had/didn’t have rather than waiting until you found the right car with the right spec
It is missing because any reasonable person would expect it to be there. I didn't rush into the purchase, more simply didn't know that things which are standard on a Ford, Audi or Toyota would be paid for extra's on top of a car which was upwards of £30k new, especially on something which is supposed to be a practical family wagon. Sounds more like you rushed into its purchase without knowing what the car had/didn’t have rather than waiting until you found the right car with the right spec
Mercs, BMWs, they have never had folding rear seats as standard, Audi didn't either if you go back round a decade of so.
You could option them in a 60:40 split or 40:20:40 split.
I remember people moaning about how tight Audi was not having it as standard when discussing this back with the B6/7 A4 saloon on the audi-sport.net forums.
Remember, up until 5 years ago, BMW were still offering individual options, Merc and Audi etc had already started offering packs. BMW gave you a basic car, with some basic options added if you chose SE, Sport or M-Sport, but all the options were there to be added individually.
Mercs and Audi were already onto packs by this point. Want ambient interior lighting, no longer a £250 option, you have to spec the AMG package which gave you pano roof, xenons, Burmeister audio and ambient lighting at £2800.
Oh, and because you have the AMG pack you now can only have a black interior, same with S-Line.
BMW are now like this too, problem is, lots of options you don't want are now standard and paid for, and many more are part of very expensive packs.
Personally, I would rather a cheaper base price and individual options, keep the packs to save some money, but taking away the individual option choice was a real shame as far as I am concerned.
Edit: quick google found people moaning about lack of folding seats on Audi saloons as standard....
https://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/104842/
You could option them in a 60:40 split or 40:20:40 split.
I remember people moaning about how tight Audi was not having it as standard when discussing this back with the B6/7 A4 saloon on the audi-sport.net forums.
Remember, up until 5 years ago, BMW were still offering individual options, Merc and Audi etc had already started offering packs. BMW gave you a basic car, with some basic options added if you chose SE, Sport or M-Sport, but all the options were there to be added individually.
Mercs and Audi were already onto packs by this point. Want ambient interior lighting, no longer a £250 option, you have to spec the AMG package which gave you pano roof, xenons, Burmeister audio and ambient lighting at £2800.
Oh, and because you have the AMG pack you now can only have a black interior, same with S-Line.
BMW are now like this too, problem is, lots of options you don't want are now standard and paid for, and many more are part of very expensive packs.
Personally, I would rather a cheaper base price and individual options, keep the packs to save some money, but taking away the individual option choice was a real shame as far as I am concerned.
Edit: quick google found people moaning about lack of folding seats on Audi saloons as standard....
https://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/104842/
d_a_n1979 said:
Condi said:
d_a_n1979 said:
Nothing is missing, it just wasn’t spec’d.
Sounds more like you rushed into its purchase without knowing what the car had/didn’t have rather than waiting until you found the right car with the right spec
It is missing because any reasonable person would expect it to be there. I didn't rush into the purchase, more simply didn't know that things which are standard on a Ford, Audi or Toyota would be paid for extra's on top of a car which was upwards of £30k new, especially on something which is supposed to be a practical family wagon. Sounds more like you rushed into its purchase without knowing what the car had/didn’t have rather than waiting until you found the right car with the right spec
As for the seats not folding on Audi's, I wasn't aware of that - certainly my S reg A4 had them - but the cars referenced in the thread are from 2003/4, not 2016!!
BMW held off from taking away individual options on UK cars until very recently.
Mercedes and Audi etc. went early, only for UK cars though, in Germany you could still add individual options.
Buy a BMW saloon today and I bet you get the £350 folding rear seat option as standard, you'll pay for it of course, but I bet it is standard. I don't know, I don't buyv saloons so never looked, but I bet you do.
You bought the last of the cars that still would have been specced to the individual customers order, that customer obviously didn't want folding seats.
I think it is a shame it has gone this way, especially when it comes to interior colours. You want sporty? Oh, then you can have black or black.
I'll leave it thanks.
Mercedes and Audi etc. went early, only for UK cars though, in Germany you could still add individual options.
Buy a BMW saloon today and I bet you get the £350 folding rear seat option as standard, you'll pay for it of course, but I bet it is standard. I don't know, I don't buyv saloons so never looked, but I bet you do.
You bought the last of the cars that still would have been specced to the individual customers order, that customer obviously didn't want folding seats.
I think it is a shame it has gone this way, especially when it comes to interior colours. You want sporty? Oh, then you can have black or black.
I'll leave it thanks.
Ed.Neumann said:
Buy a BMW saloon today and I bet you get the £350 folding rear seat option as standard, you'll pay for it of course, but I bet it is standard. I don't know, I don't buyv saloons so never looked, but I bet you do.
It is included on the G series, as far as I know. On a £15k Ford you maybe expect to pay £350 for folding seats, on a BMW with a list price of £30k before options it should be standard!
What Ford is £15k? New? That must have been some time ago now to have bought a new Ford saloon for £15k?
In 2004 the entry level 1.6 100hp saloon was £16000 on the road. But that is 20 years ago now.
Ford don't even offer a saloon anymore, they are all hatchbacks, all BMW hatchbacks have folding rear seats as standard, always have.
I thought Ford stopped selling the saloon with that 2004-2008 model?
You are comparing apples with apples yeah? Not comparing a hatch with a saloon?
Yeah, just looked at the G20 and it is now standard, along with loads of other stuff that used to be options. Oh, and now you don't have a choice of a BMW 3 Series saloon that is not a sport model, and a 2 litre diesel starts at £42.5k.
I get you must be a bit gutted, but I think as many people are as gutted that they can no longer spec a car to how they want it and have to have loads of options they don't want and pay for them.
Anyway, god luck with what you decide to do.
In 2004 the entry level 1.6 100hp saloon was £16000 on the road. But that is 20 years ago now.
Ford don't even offer a saloon anymore, they are all hatchbacks, all BMW hatchbacks have folding rear seats as standard, always have.
I thought Ford stopped selling the saloon with that 2004-2008 model?
You are comparing apples with apples yeah? Not comparing a hatch with a saloon?
Yeah, just looked at the G20 and it is now standard, along with loads of other stuff that used to be options. Oh, and now you don't have a choice of a BMW 3 Series saloon that is not a sport model, and a 2 litre diesel starts at £42.5k.
I get you must be a bit gutted, but I think as many people are as gutted that they can no longer spec a car to how they want it and have to have loads of options they don't want and pay for them.
Anyway, god luck with what you decide to do.
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