The **BOXING** thread (Vol 4)
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clio007 said:
As a casual, that was an absorbing fight. The better fighter and man won.
Would prefer stop all this Ukraine bs from every one though. Sick of it.
"Watching the fight from the trenches". I mean WTF?!
Keep politics out of boxing.
Politics?Would prefer stop all this Ukraine bs from every one though. Sick of it.
"Watching the fight from the trenches". I mean WTF?!
Keep politics out of boxing.
I won't derail this thread further but it's a bit more than some suit putting a penny on income tax
biggbn said:
tuscaneer said:
vdn said:
tuscaneer said:
vdn said:
tuscaneer said:
You either know boxing or you don't dude.
Indeed.It was close. Seems to be the general consensus ... so who's right 'tiger'?
Bizarre language
in any case, the right man won. Wow still can't believe we're waking up to Usyk undisputed. My Usyk fanboyness has been no secret on here for a few years I always thought he was an extraordinary talent and has always been spellbinding to watch. When the fight got underway the sheer size difference all of a sudden had doubts creeping in that he could slay this utter beast Fury!
Fury had trained like never before and the old movement was mostly back. The hand speed was incredible and he walked Usyk onto some cracking uppercuts. I did feel Usyk wasn't moving quite like in the past but the engine won out and that opening in the 9th came and it was done. A stunning achievement from one of the finest fighters ever. Usyk in and out of the ring is just an incredible guy.
I hope there is no rematch I dont think it was close enough for a rematch to "have" to be done and I think at the twilight of his career we really need to see Fury V AJ. Usyk has nothing to prove and can only go downhill from here I would like to see him retire now but that would be very unusual to see.
Fury had trained like never before and the old movement was mostly back. The hand speed was incredible and he walked Usyk onto some cracking uppercuts. I did feel Usyk wasn't moving quite like in the past but the engine won out and that opening in the 9th came and it was done. A stunning achievement from one of the finest fighters ever. Usyk in and out of the ring is just an incredible guy.
I hope there is no rematch I dont think it was close enough for a rematch to "have" to be done and I think at the twilight of his career we really need to see Fury V AJ. Usyk has nothing to prove and can only go downhill from here I would like to see him retire now but that would be very unusual to see.
Pugaris said:
philv said:
Very interesting.
I had usyk winning by tko in the 9th.
Not sure why we had 3 more rounds.
Not even sure thats debatable.
So I've watched this back and forth, I do think it's a little debatable, was with you at first (FWIW I'm training to be a ref and judge)I had usyk winning by tko in the 9th.
Not sure why we had 3 more rounds.
Not even sure thats debatable.
The rule is that if the only thing holding up a fighter is the ropes, you're allowed to score a KD.
Fury hits the rope 3 times. the first 2 times, his legs have gone and he's stumbling back, and uses the ropes to get himself some stability - that's not a KD
The third time, he does look like he's falling, and the ropes stop him from doing so. He then regains his footing a little which stops him from taking a knee and the ref jumps in
Now, if the 3rd one happened the first time, I think it's a KD for sure and the ref did the right thing. What complicates things here is that Fury is being ragdolled around for like 15 seconds, stumbling all over the place and not intelligently defending himself. At that point, I think if the ref is jumping in it should probably be to stop the fight
Chamon_Lee said:
Never mind the math I had to check the name first a few times until you corrected it lol
Lol yeah my badphilv said:
Usyk Was never in enough trouble for there to be talk of fury finishing him off.
I thought he looked in real trouble in the 6th and 7th, and had Fury been able to continue to land to the body like that and catch him with uppercuts for another round or so, he was there for the taking. Usyk did what Usyk does and bit down on his gumshield and adjusted brilliantly. It's what makes him one of the best to ever do it. Put any other HW in that situation and they're likely getting stopped before the end of the 9th, Usyk basically stopped Fury by then.Edited by Pugaris on Sunday 19th May 03:16
As for the ref not stepping in and stopping it I assume you’re training to ref amateur boxing but I would assume pro refs are allowed to apply some professional judgement where the fighters history is concerned. Because fury has been known to recover when badly hurt then I think the ref is justified to give him every chance.
Though fury had Usyk hurt quite a few times and didn’t jump on him like he should have. The work to the body definitely did damage and often created space for the uppercut.
He needs his dad out of his corner though, he adds nothing.
And for what it’s worth I had it to fury by a point but could watch it again today and have it the other way for Usyk. I think I scored an early round or two which could quite easily have gone the other way.
Tusc, I respect ur opinion a lot too but the whole ‘you don’t know s
t about boxing’ thing was a bit rude. It was a close fight. It often depends what you like in a fight and there were a lot of swing rounds. Like I said I scored it to fury last night, I’d probably score it to Usyk today and fury again tomorrow. Close entertaining fight, I will add though it’s the first time I’ve though AJ has a chance of beating fury as I think if he lands he will finish fury and invariably these day it looks like fury will get hurt at least once in a fight
tuscaneer said:
You're opinions in this thread over time show you to m
Be less than an educated observer pal..... Sorry if that pisses you off but it's fact ..you don't know st about about boxing... 2
Since when is anyone not allowed an opinion, judges at ringside couldn’t agree. Perhaps they don’t know sBe less than an educated observer pal..... Sorry if that pisses you off but it's fact ..you don't know s
t about about boxing... 2t about boxing as well? Doesn’t matter, enjoyed the fight with a few mates and it was a good evening…which is what it’s all about.
NuckyThompson said:
Thank you, that Defo brings more perspective to it. I though he was held up by the ropes so technically the ref could have called a knockdown with any of the times fury was being ragdolled but certainly for the third time when he actually did step in.
As for the ref not stepping in and stopping it I assume you’re training to ref amateur boxing but I would assume pro refs are allowed to apply some professional judgement where the fighters history is concerned. Because fury has been known to recover when badly hurt then I think the ref is justified to give him every chance.
Though fury had Usyk hurt quite a few times and didn’t jump on him like he should have. The work to the body definitely did damage and often created space for the uppercut.
He needs his dad out of his corner though, he adds nothing.
And for what it’s worth I had it to fury by a point but could watch it again today and have it the other way for Usyk. I think I scored an early round or two which could quite easily have gone the other way.
Tusc, I respect ur opinion a lot too but the whole ‘you don’t know st about boxing’ thing was a bit rude. It was a close fight. It often depends what you like in a fight and there were a lot of swing rounds. Like I said I scored it to fury last night, I’d probably score it to Usyk today and fury again tomorrow.
Close entertaining fight, I will add though it’s the first time I’ve though AJ has a chance of beating fury as I think if he lands he will finish fury and invariably these day it looks like fury will get hurt at least once in a fight
Are you saying its ok for the ref to stop a fighter hitting another during a round to give him a break?As for the ref not stepping in and stopping it I assume you’re training to ref amateur boxing but I would assume pro refs are allowed to apply some professional judgement where the fighters history is concerned. Because fury has been known to recover when badly hurt then I think the ref is justified to give him every chance.
Though fury had Usyk hurt quite a few times and didn’t jump on him like he should have. The work to the body definitely did damage and often created space for the uppercut.
He needs his dad out of his corner though, he adds nothing.
And for what it’s worth I had it to fury by a point but could watch it again today and have it the other way for Usyk. I think I scored an early round or two which could quite easily have gone the other way.
Tusc, I respect ur opinion a lot too but the whole ‘you don’t know s
t about boxing’ thing was a bit rude. It was a close fight. It often depends what you like in a fight and there were a lot of swing rounds. Like I said I scored it to fury last night, I’d probably score it to Usyk today and fury again tomorrow. Close entertaining fight, I will add though it’s the first time I’ve though AJ has a chance of beating fury as I think if he lands he will finish fury and invariably these day it looks like fury will get hurt at least once in a fight
carlo996 said:
tuscaneer said:
You're opinions in this thread over time show you to m
Be less than an educated observer pal..... Sorry if that pisses you off but it's fact ..you don't know st about about boxing... 2
Since when is anyone not allowed an opinion, judges at ringside couldn’t agree. Perhaps they don’t know sBe less than an educated observer pal..... Sorry if that pisses you off but it's fact ..you don't know s
t about about boxing... 2t about boxing as well? Doesn’t matter, enjoyed the fight with a few mates and it was a good evening…which is what it’s all about.
NuckyThompson said:
Pugaris said:
philv said:
Very interesting.
I had usyk winning by tko in the 9th.
Not sure why we had 3 more rounds.
Not even sure thats debatable.
So I've watched this back and forth, I do think it's a little debatable, was with you at first (FWIW I'm training to be a ref and judge)I had usyk winning by tko in the 9th.
Not sure why we had 3 more rounds.
Not even sure thats debatable.
The rule is that if the only thing holding up a fighter is the ropes, you're allowed to score a KD.
Fury hits the rope 3 times. the first 2 times, his legs have gone and he's stumbling back, and uses the ropes to get himself some stability - that's not a KD
The third time, he does look like he's falling, and the ropes stop him from doing so. He then regains his footing a little which stops him from taking a knee and the ref jumps in
Now, if the 3rd one happened the first time, I think it's a KD for sure and the ref did the right thing. What complicates things here is that Fury is being ragdolled around for like 15 seconds, stumbling all over the place and not intelligently defending himself. At that point, I think if the ref is jumping in it should probably be to stop the fight
Chamon_Lee said:
Never mind the math I had to check the name first a few times until you corrected it lol
Lol yeah my badphilv said:
Usyk Was never in enough trouble for there to be talk of fury finishing him off.
I thought he looked in real trouble in the 6th and 7th, and had Fury been able to continue to land to the body like that and catch him with uppercuts for another round or so, he was there for the taking. Usyk did what Usyk does and bit down on his gumshield and adjusted brilliantly. It's what makes him one of the best to ever do it. Put any other HW in that situation and they're likely getting stopped before the end of the 9th, Usyk basically stopped Fury by then.Edited by Pugaris on Sunday 19th May 03:16
As for the ref not stepping in and stopping it I assume you’re training to ref amateur boxing but I would assume pro refs are allowed to apply some professional judgement where the fighters history is concerned. Because fury has been known to recover when badly hurt then I think the ref is justified to give him every chance.
Though fury had Usyk hurt quite a few times and didn’t jump on him like he should have. The work to the body definitely did damage and often created space for the uppercut.
He needs his dad out of his corner though, he adds nothing.
And for what it’s worth I had it to fury by a point but could watch it again today and have it the other way for Usyk. I think I scored an early round or two which could quite easily have gone the other way.
Tusc, I respect ur opinion a lot too but the whole ‘you don’t know s
t about boxing’ thing was a bit rude. It was a close fight. It often depends what you like in a fight and there were a lot of swing rounds. Like I said I scored it to fury last night, I’d probably score it to Usyk today and fury again tomorrow. Close entertaining fight, I will add though it’s the first time I’ve though AJ has a chance of beating fury as I think if he lands he will finish fury and invariably these day it looks like fury will get hurt at least once in a fight
On the knock down….
Fury was rattled and one more was all Usyk needed…
The knock down was given so it counted on the scores.
Am I right in thinking that the position Fury was in lying prone on the ropes (not the top one) was akin to being on the canvas ? You obviously can’t hit a man who is down.
So when the ref waved he was stopping the punch as opposed to the fight ?
Again only my thinking, I really have no idea.
Fury was rattled and one more was all Usyk needed…
The knock down was given so it counted on the scores.
Am I right in thinking that the position Fury was in lying prone on the ropes (not the top one) was akin to being on the canvas ? You obviously can’t hit a man who is down.
So when the ref waved he was stopping the punch as opposed to the fight ?
Again only my thinking, I really have no idea.
Not that my opinion counts for much, but ,
Fury’s been found out , while the had his moments , Uysk won by a clear margin imho .
Fury and most of his family are fairly low on the human decency scale and that matters when you’re a prominent sportsman lauded as someone for the youth to look up to.
Too much to hope for that fury slopes off into obscurity?
Fckitdriveon said:
Not that my opinion counts for much, but ,
Fury’s been found out , while the had his moments , Uysk won by a clear margin imho .
Fury and most of his family are fairly low on the human decency scale and that matters when you’re a prominent sportsman lauded as someone for the youth to look up to.
Too much to hope for that fury slopes off into obscurity?
Not before AJ beats him which I think is highly likelyFury’s been found out , while the had his moments , Uysk won by a clear margin imho .
Fury and most of his family are fairly low on the human decency scale and that matters when you’re a prominent sportsman lauded as someone for the youth to look up to.
Too much to hope for that fury slopes off into obscurity?
tuscaneer said:
True, and I've deleted the original post as without the context of your previous antogonistic posts on the subject it comes across as rather barbed..
It’s all good, you have a point. After all the pre fight hype I’m glad boxing won on the night and there wasn’t a draw, which is what I bet on. It lived up to expectations with the bonus it wasn’t 4am when it started. fridaypassion said:
Fckitdriveon said:
Not that my opinion counts for much, but ,
Fury’s been found out , while the had his moments , Uysk won by a clear margin imho .
Fury and most of his family are fairly low on the human decency scale and that matters when you’re a prominent sportsman lauded as someone for the youth to look up to.
Too much to hope for that fury slopes off into obscurity?
Not before AJ beats him which I think is highly likelyFury’s been found out , while the had his moments , Uysk won by a clear margin imho .
Fury and most of his family are fairly low on the human decency scale and that matters when you’re a prominent sportsman lauded as someone for the youth to look up to.
Too much to hope for that fury slopes off into obscurity?
I really hope that fight gets made as while I feel AJ wins it I do think it will be a great fight.... It'll take a barnstormer to top last night though
8th round was pivotal. That's when you see Usyk find those extra gears, he hurt Fury badly and all the momentum was with the Ukrainian. Similar to what he did to Joshua mid fight.
In the ninth, as the referee stepped in you see Usyk hold back from a free shot. That's the mark of the man. He's an extraordinary fighter and human being.
As for Fury, must be tough being beaten by a gappy toothed rabbit and a middleweight. He very lucky he doesn't have a KO against him on his record.
In the ninth, as the referee stepped in you see Usyk hold back from a free shot. That's the mark of the man. He's an extraordinary fighter and human being.
As for Fury, must be tough being beaten by a gappy toothed rabbit and a middleweight. He very lucky he doesn't have a KO against him on his record.
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