Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 4

[borcy]

Prolex-UK said:

borcy said:

https://x.com/Tendar/status/1791968215683207662


Large overnight attack on Russia using drones. Ukraine seems to be able to launch increasing amounts of drones into Russia.

IMHO Ukraine should do more targeted attacks on Russia.

They cant hide power stations etc being bliwn up from the public if done at scake.

Steer clear if civilians tho

I think they would like to, but I'm not sure they are capable yet.

This should be something that it's allies can help with. One way drones made on mass across Europe if needs be make them out of fibreglass.

Help them ramp up to make a really significant difference.

[dudleybloke]

UKR need to destroy at least one dome on the Kremlin.
Something very visible for Moscovites to see.

[Prolex-UK]

dudleybloke said:

UKR need to destroy at least one dome on the Kremlin.
Something very visible for Moscovites to see.

Would be great

[BikeBikeBIke]

dudleybloke said:

UKR need to destroy at least one dome on the Kremlin.
Something very visible for Moscovites to see.

I have a horrible feeling Putin is hoping against hope for something exactly like that.

[borcy]

I don't think it would be a good move. Too risky, better sticking to bridges, sub stations, oil refineries etc.

[Oliver Hardy]

borcy said:

Digga said:

borcy said:

https://x.com/Tendar/status/1791968215683207662


Large overnight attack on Russia using drones. Ukraine seems to be able to launch increasing amounts of drones into Russia.

It’s possible they’ve had the ability for some time, but the concern over getting the required support form the USA tied their hands, somewhat. Now that’s agreed, the gloves are off.

Possibly so, i think they've managed to increase production to the point where they can regularly launch 100+ drones frequently.

I'm guessing they'd like to get to the point where they can do that many every night.

This is interesting regarding production of drone bombs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLjZQ_FkOs0&ab...

Spent shells fired on Kherson

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6mI5Qn2n07w?feature...

[RichFN2]

Adam. said:

king arthur said:

They need to find where these glide bombs are being made or stored and target that.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz5drkr8l1ko

These are possibly the best weapon Russia have for their horrible warfare methods. Cheap and destructive.

Can NATO kit mess with their guidance or Ilraine target the airfields the fighters use?

That is what they have been trying to do, along with shooting down the aircraft when they can.

Unfortunately Russia has plenty of the FAB 1500, and will generally be launched within Russia or well away from the frontline. They are also horrificly powerful.

The only good points are they aren't the most accurate and the range is 'only' around 70km

[Cheib]

Adam. said:

king arthur said:

They need to find where these glide bombs are being made or stored and target that.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz5drkr8l1ko

These are possibly the best weapon Russia have for their horrible warfare methods. Cheap and destructive.

Can NATO kit mess with their guidance or Ilraine target the airfields the fighters use?

Latest report I have seen is that F16’s may be in Ukraine in July. I have no idea what the range of the air to air missiles they can carry is…maybe that will help. I think these glide bombs have a range of about 50km. Obviously the 16’s wou;d need to steer clear of Russian SAM systems.

I guess ATACMS taking out SAM’s in unison with F16’s might make a meaningful difference.

[Biggy Stardust]

Cheib said:

Latest report I have seen is that F16’s may be in Ukraine in July. I have no idea what the range of the air to air missiles they can carry is…maybe that will help. I think these glide bombs have a range of about 50km. Obviously the 16’s wou;d need to steer clear of Russian SAM systems.

I guess ATACMS taking out SAM’s in unison with F16’s might make a meaningful difference.

They might even use F16s to kill the SAM sites.

[hidetheelephants]

Biggy Stardust said:

Cheib said:

Latest report I have seen is that F16’s may be in Ukraine in July. I have no idea what the range of the air to air missiles they can carry is…maybe that will help. I think these glide bombs have a range of about 50km. Obviously the 16’s wou;d need to steer clear of Russian SAM systems.

I guess ATACMS taking out SAM’s in unison with F16’s might make a meaningful difference.

They might even use F16s to kill the SAM sites.

If some nice NATO state supplies some Meteor AAMs the russians will either stop using glide bombs or get shot down a lot.

[trickywoo]

hidetheelephants said:

Biggy Stardust said:

Cheib said:

Latest report I have seen is that F16’s may be in Ukraine in July. I have no idea what the range of the air to air missiles they can carry is…maybe that will help. I think these glide bombs have a range of about 50km. Obviously the 16’s wou;d need to steer clear of Russian SAM systems.

I guess ATACMS taking out SAM’s in unison with F16’s might make a meaningful difference.

They might even use F16s to kill the SAM sites.

If some nice NATO state supplies some Meteor AAMs the russians will either stop using glide bombs or get shot down a lot.

The Meteor air to air has an official range of 200km +.

The plus is significant as in an ideal scenario I don’t think 400km would be ridiculous.

It’s a serious bit of kit that no Russian pilot will want to be the wrong end of.

[nikaiyo2]

Cheib said:

Latest report I have seen is that F16’s may be in Ukraine in July. I have no idea what the range of the air to air missiles they can carry is…maybe that will help. I think these glide bombs have a range of about 50km. Obviously the 16’s wou;d need to steer clear of Russian SAM systems.

I guess ATACMS taking out SAM’s in unison with F16’s might make a meaningful difference.

Not sure F16 needs to steer clear of Russian SAM, they have been the Wild Weasel for years now.

[Boozy]

nikaiyo2 said:

Not sure F16 needs to steer clear of Russian SAM, they have been the Wild Weasel for years now.

Only if they’re configured and trained for that mission, the jet is a platform. There’s some great reading out there on the wild weasel missions, just having F16s doesn’t mean Ukraine can suddenly perform the same missions the US does.

[nikaiyo2]

Boozy said:

Only if they’re configured and trained for that mission, the jet is a platform. There’s some great reading out there on the wild weasel missions, just having F16s doesn’t mean Ukraine can suddenly perform the same missions the US does.

Yup, but I would imagine that this is one of the missions they will have been trained for? It seems like useful way for Ukraine to deploy them???

[Cheib]

You’d imagine the US would be absolutely delighted to let Ukraine deploy Wild Weasel F16’s and Meter AAM’s against Russian planes/SAM batteries. I guess the only issue is that the Russian planes are presumably releasing the Glide Bombs from well within Russian airspace but Blinken implied this week that there was a change of policy about using US weapons to hot targets inside Russia.

Hopefully the first thing the Russians know about this is when there SAM batteries start going bang and they lose a few planes.

[asfault]

BikeBikeBIke said:

ConnectionError said:

I thought Russia reported that the attack has been unsuccessful with all the missile's being shot down?

The missiles were successfully intercepted by aircraft.

Anyone know why Russia would park Aircraft in easy range? I can't believe they're so short of fuel they can't manage the extra 150 miles or so to land them out of range of most stuff? Or do they park them nearby and concentrate their AD?

From my watching of mega projects and side projects videos arnt alot of Russian jets quite short ranged? even compared to the American planes they were built to counteract?

[sisu]

asfault said:

BikeBikeBIke said:

ConnectionError said:

I thought Russia reported that the attack has been unsuccessful with all the missile's being shot down?

The missiles were successfully intercepted by aircraft.

Anyone know why Russia would park Aircraft in easy range? I can't believe they're so short of fuel they can't manage the extra 150 miles or so to land them out of range of most stuff? Or do they park them nearby and concentrate their AD?

From my watching of mega projects and side projects videos arnt alot of Russian jets quite short ranged? even compared to the American planes they were built to counteract?

Yes and the Russian airforce was never designed to be doing this for 2 years on the trot. There is a bit of a popcorn aspect to this as the Russians are taking the "Minicab driver with a check engine light on" view of flight maintenance. Much like the aging Prius or Octavia minicab, how far they can push it beyond what is recommended is going to be noted. But its worth noting no one is buying Russian fighter jets on this reliability test.

The deeper problem for Russia is that this roll out of the "Chevy Caprice" F-16s into Ukraine is not being balanced by the Russians getting the "BYD"Chinese J-20s to back fill their losses either and the F-16s do have the range to reach out and touch Moscow from Ukraine, hence TAAS stating that they view the F-16 as a nuclear capable aircraft even though no one has given Ukraine nuclear armaments.

[sisu]

In the same vein, its worth noting that even though Iran was spending billions on state of the art drone and attack missiles. They used a 1979 Huey 212 for their President.

[J4CKO]

sisu said:

In the same vein, its worth noting that even though Iran was spending billions on state of the art drone and attack missiles. They used a 1979 Huey 212 for their President.

I thought he met his end in a Bell ?

[TGCOTF-dewey]

J4CKO said:

sisu said:

In the same vein, its worth noting that even though Iran was spending billions on state of the art drone and attack missiles. They used a 1979 Huey 212 for their President.

I thought he met his end in a Bell ?