RE: 2024 BMW M4 CS | PH Review
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E90_M3Ross said:
pycraft said:
pacdes said:
Be grateful stuff like this is still being made, nobody else is doing it as good.
Erm... Alfa. (are you 12?)https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/alfa-romeo/gi...
I love that (almost) every thread turns into an EV thread.
Traffic light grand prixs keep coming up. Are many people here doing that?
Especially in a car with a ~3 second 0-60 time (and what that means for 0-100) there is plenty of potential for getting into trouble in various ways. Compared back to Golf GTI days.
Maybe I am getting old, but on the road I want enough power to have fun, and overtake rapidly, which my TVR does.
On the track, different story.
But I don't know when I last saw one of these traffic light races, I must drive in the wrong places.
Traffic light grand prixs keep coming up. Are many people here doing that?
Especially in a car with a ~3 second 0-60 time (and what that means for 0-100) there is plenty of potential for getting into trouble in various ways. Compared back to Golf GTI days.
Maybe I am getting old, but on the road I want enough power to have fun, and overtake rapidly, which my TVR does.
On the track, different story.
But I don't know when I last saw one of these traffic light races, I must drive in the wrong places.
Sevenman said:
I love that (almost) every thread turns into an EV thread.
Traffic light grand prixs keep coming up. Are many people here doing that?
I've always enjoyed the traffic light GP over the years in fairness, so in many ways you'd expect me to fall in love with EVs really. However they just don't seem to get my juices flowing though, because they haven't got an engine/exhaust and they don't generally have gearboxes either. So what really is the point of them? Apart from shifting someone from A to B as cheaply as possible in total silence. Traffic light grand prixs keep coming up. Are many people here doing that?
philmots said:
This will likely be ultimate road car and people are moaning about how it looks.
Be grateful stuff like this is still being made, nobody else is doing it as good.
This.Be grateful stuff like this is still being made, nobody else is doing it as good.
Reality is they're absolutely fantastic to drive (at least the regular M4 with a manual transmission here in the US); pig face be damned.
Different markets/buyer, but this article made me look at what a F82 M4CS costs these days, they start at 40k as an AUC, looking at the weight and power figures the new one has around 6hp per tonne more so outside of traffic light GPs (xdrive) you're not really getting any real improvement in in gear performance and with the new one weighing 260kg more the F82 will feel much lighter on its feet, bit of a bargain really the old version.
mrclav said:
Indeed, it's clear BMW know what their customers want more than anyone on here - this is the bit that people on the forum don't seem to (or want to) understand.
Their myopic view is at total odds with the reality of BMWs success in selling cars to customers around the world, fuelled by their nostalgia that wants progress to not happen as, in their opinion, they are the arbiters of aesthetic taste based on the old dated designs of cars they liked growing up (conveniently ignoring things like safety legislation that make mass-producing new cars that look like designs of the past literally impossible), then finally their arrogance presumes that they are somehow more intelligent/classy than the people with the actual means and desire to buy products like this.
The way humans consume new products, including cars, has massively changed in the last couple decades and will continue to change as legislation is going to makes cars like this extinct. Rather than moaning, maybe people should enjoy cars like this while they still can.
Well back in the day (2004) I was lucky enough to buy an e46 M3 and I was like a 5 year old waiting for xmas waiting for it to arrive , I cant imagine I would feel the same about this car , the outside isnt good and that interior well I remember BMWs as as being simple & logical which that misses by a mile. sadly I do agree that requirements mean that cars will never be like my M3 was and yes very soon cars like the M4 will be goneTheir myopic view is at total odds with the reality of BMWs success in selling cars to customers around the world, fuelled by their nostalgia that wants progress to not happen as, in their opinion, they are the arbiters of aesthetic taste based on the old dated designs of cars they liked growing up (conveniently ignoring things like safety legislation that make mass-producing new cars that look like designs of the past literally impossible), then finally their arrogance presumes that they are somehow more intelligent/classy than the people with the actual means and desire to buy products like this.
The way humans consume new products, including cars, has massively changed in the last couple decades and will continue to change as legislation is going to makes cars like this extinct. Rather than moaning, maybe people should enjoy cars like this while they still can.
mrclav said:
The way humans consume new products, including cars, has massively changed in the last couple decades and will continue to change as legislation is going to makes cars like this extinct. Rather than moaning, maybe people should enjoy cars like this while they still can.
True - thankfully i've no aversion to buying a used car, so am not restricted to something that looks like a genital wart and only comes with a 2 pedal gearbox for my driving thrills; should be able to enjoy my cars a fair way in to the future too what with A) advancements in synthetic/alternative fuels and B) money to spare thanks to avoiding depreciation on a new car that comes with all these compromises for 'the modern motorist'. Adaptive cruise control? Lane Departure warning? An automatic gearbox? All well and good for a taxi or some diesel commuter, but for a drivers' car? Get in the bin.Wills2 said:
Different markets/buyer, but this article made me look at what a F82 M4CS costs these days, they start at 40k as an AUC, looking at the weight and power figures the new one has around 6hp per tonne more so outside of traffic light GPs (xdrive) you're not really getting any real improvement in in gear performance and with the new one weighing 260kg more the F82 will feel much lighter on its feet, bit of a bargain really the old version.
I keep a fairly close eye on the prices of the G82 M4(I fancy the M xDrive model) on AUC, and I thought similar to you about the F82 M4CS as well when I saw them. I think the F82 M4 CS seems to get a bit overlooked for some reason. I guess it is a touch compromised interior wise if you did fancy it as a daily though(no armrest/fabric door pulls etc).
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