EV with real 300+ mile range?
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Thank you everyone for the feedback. Sounds like only a few cars can do it, most others will need the odd top up.
Today I do this journey in a 520d which costs me 14ppm. Home charging with a 100 mile top up enroute would close the gap slightly on price, plus a stop will add probably 30mins to the journey which I do in one hit today (140 miles each way).
This will be a privately owned vehicle so no tax benefit. For now I think I’ll stick with diesel and see what happens with prices over the next year or so.
Today I do this journey in a 520d which costs me 14ppm. Home charging with a 100 mile top up enroute would close the gap slightly on price, plus a stop will add probably 30mins to the journey which I do in one hit today (140 miles each way).
This will be a privately owned vehicle so no tax benefit. For now I think I’ll stick with diesel and see what happens with prices over the next year or so.
matt21 said:
Thank you everyone for the feedback. Sounds like only a few cars can do it, most others will need the odd top up.
Today I do this journey in a 520d which costs me 14ppm. Home charging with a 100 mile top up enroute would close the gap slightly on price, plus a stop will add probably 30mins to the journey which I do in one hit today (140 miles each way).
This will be a privately owned vehicle so no tax benefit. For now I think I’ll stick with diesel and see what happens with prices over the next year or so.
That's a seems a sensible, pragmatic decision. Today I do this journey in a 520d which costs me 14ppm. Home charging with a 100 mile top up enroute would close the gap slightly on price, plus a stop will add probably 30mins to the journey which I do in one hit today (140 miles each way).
This will be a privately owned vehicle so no tax benefit. For now I think I’ll stick with diesel and see what happens with prices over the next year or so.
I'm a private buyer too and it puts a different perspective on why and when to change the daily driver. I came to a different decision but that was based on a changed journey profile which had shifted away from some longer journeys to 95% short journey local driving for which a diesel is pretty rubbish.
Currently cost of money is expensive too which doesn't help.
I'm running at about 2.5p/mile fuel equivalent with much more infrequent servicing/cost.
matt21 said:
Thank you everyone for the feedback. Sounds like only a few cars can do it, most others will need the odd top up.
Today I do this journey in a 520d which costs me 14ppm. Home charging with a 100 mile top up enroute would close the gap slightly on price, plus a stop will add probably 30mins to the journey which I do in one hit today (140 miles each way).
This will be a privately owned vehicle so no tax benefit. For now I think I’ll stick with diesel and see what happens with prices over the next year or so.
I can't comment on the finances, but on the 30 minutes: Today I do this journey in a 520d which costs me 14ppm. Home charging with a 100 mile top up enroute would close the gap slightly on price, plus a stop will add probably 30mins to the journey which I do in one hit today (140 miles each way).
This will be a privately owned vehicle so no tax benefit. For now I think I’ll stick with diesel and see what happens with prices over the next year or so.
if your route passes by a proper 300+kW station (e.g., IONITY), the 100-mile top-up on an RWD Ioniq 6 would take seven and a half minutes (average, based on ev-database). Pretty much the same time it usually takes to fill up and pay inside the station, assuming you don't need to wait for a pump to free up...
I'm sorry if I missed this in earlier comments. I just saw Ioniq 5 (our road trip tool) mentioned earlier as something that would otherwise be suitable.
matt21 said:
Thank you everyone for the feedback. Sounds like only a few cars can do it, most others will need the odd top up.
Today I do this journey in a 520d which costs me 14ppm. Home charging with a 100 mile top up enroute would close the gap slightly on price, plus a stop will add probably 30mins to the journey which I do in one hit today (140 miles each way).
This will be a privately owned vehicle so no tax benefit. For now I think I’ll stick with diesel and see what happens with prices over the next year or so.
Our iPace costs 2.8p per mile to charge at home. On your journey (driving at 70-80mph) it would need a 30kW top up charge which would cost around £25 at the prices of fast chargers around here, and would take about 30 mins at typical charge rates and 20 mins at the fastest. So total journey cost (in fuel) would work out at around 12 p mile. Stick with the BMW Today I do this journey in a 520d which costs me 14ppm. Home charging with a 100 mile top up enroute would close the gap slightly on price, plus a stop will add probably 30mins to the journey which I do in one hit today (140 miles each way).
This will be a privately owned vehicle so no tax benefit. For now I think I’ll stick with diesel and see what happens with prices over the next year or so.
Discombobulate said:
matt21 said:
Thank you everyone for the feedback. Sounds like only a few cars can do it, most others will need the odd top up.
Today I do this journey in a 520d which costs me 14ppm. Home charging with a 100 mile top up enroute would close the gap slightly on price, plus a stop will add probably 30mins to the journey which I do in one hit today (140 miles each way).
This will be a privately owned vehicle so no tax benefit. For now I think I’ll stick with diesel and see what happens with prices over the next year or so.
Our iPace costs 2.8p per mile to charge at home. On your journey (driving at 70-80mph) it would need a 30kW top up charge which would cost around £25 at the prices of fast chargers around here, and would take about 30 mins at typical charge rates and 20 mins at the fastest. So total journey cost (in fuel) would work out at around 12 p mile. Stick with the BMW Today I do this journey in a 520d which costs me 14ppm. Home charging with a 100 mile top up enroute would close the gap slightly on price, plus a stop will add probably 30mins to the journey which I do in one hit today (140 miles each way).
This will be a privately owned vehicle so no tax benefit. For now I think I’ll stick with diesel and see what happens with prices over the next year or so.
The EV is only marginally cheaper than your diesel for this journey, however it will be massively cheaper (eg 2-3 p/ mile) for the vast bulk of your use.
The EV will necessitate a very brief extra stop on this journey but will save you the bother of going to a fuel station the rest of the time.
The only logical reason for not getting an EV is because you:
Can’t bear a 20 minute stop once for every long journey
Haven’t got the capital or credit to buy/ lease an EV
Really like diesels and are prepared to pay for the privilege
Really hate EVs and are prepared to pay for the privilege
(Of course sticking with an already owned car that has already depreciated is almost always cheaper than buying a new one that’s fair.)
740EVTORQUES said:
Or you could view it like this:
The EV is only marginally cheaper than your diesel for this journey, however it will be massively cheaper (eg 2-3 p/ mile) for the vast bulk of your use.
The EV will necessitate a very brief extra stop on this journey but will save you the bother of going to a fuel station the rest of the time.
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This has been entirely overlooked by everyone I suspect.The EV is only marginally cheaper than your diesel for this journey, however it will be massively cheaper (eg 2-3 p/ mile) for the vast bulk of your use.
The EV will necessitate a very brief extra stop on this journey but will save you the bother of going to a fuel station the rest of the time.
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OP - what mileage do you do for the rest of the month?
And is there definitely no way to charge at destination? You noted it was "inconvenient" but not why nor how long you stay at the destination for.
Blueg... Your wife doesn't like BMWs, you don't like the seats in a Polestar, you don't like to stop for 20-40mins...hang onto your ICE until 2035 and buy another just as the new sales ban comes into force.
I do a 370 round trip every month or two with currently no destination charging (about to change). Stopping briefly has actually made the journey more pleasant, particularly when the wife and kids are in the car whose bladders seem to have been designed with EVs in mind. (Even did the return from Cornwall with one stop).
For the rest of my use, I don't get close to the range of the car. Not visiting petrol stations frequently is another driving joy.
A lot of posters still weighing in like it’s 2018 and everyone’s battling over the one 50kW charger at Chieveley services
Pretty much any modern EV will pull 100kW+ in the lower half of the battery capacity if they’re up to temp. That’s 5 miles added every minute, and you only need to add enough to get there!
Loads of motorway services have 10+ chargers now - Tesla Superchargers are opening up - 20+ - many many smaller sites with 2-4 chargers .. future is bright
Pretty much any modern EV will pull 100kW+ in the lower half of the battery capacity if they’re up to temp. That’s 5 miles added every minute, and you only need to add enough to get there!
Loads of motorway services have 10+ chargers now - Tesla Superchargers are opening up - 20+ - many many smaller sites with 2-4 chargers .. future is bright
essayer said:
A lot of posters still weighing in like it’s 2018 and everyone’s battling over the one 50kW charger at Chieveley services
Pretty much any modern EV will pull 100kW+ in the lower half of the battery capacity if they’re up to temp. That’s 5 miles added every minute, and you only need to add enough to get there!
Loads of motorway services have 10+ chargers now - Tesla Superchargers are opening up - 20+ - many many smaller sites with 2-4 chargers .. future is bright
A lot of supermarkets adding banks of rapid chargers too. They've become my preference as I can actually make good use of the 15 mins I stop for - normally to buy wine and steak for dinner Pretty much any modern EV will pull 100kW+ in the lower half of the battery capacity if they’re up to temp. That’s 5 miles added every minute, and you only need to add enough to get there!
Loads of motorway services have 10+ chargers now - Tesla Superchargers are opening up - 20+ - many many smaller sites with 2-4 chargers .. future is bright
blueg33 said:
740EVTORQUES said:
And just take a trip across France and you’ll see banks of reasonably priced DC fast chargers at every service station, always with some free.
Not helpful when you live in North Devon 
blueg33 said:
740EVTORQUES said:
And just take a trip across France and you’ll see banks of reasonably priced DC fast chargers at every service station, always with some free.
Not helpful when you live in North Devon ).+100kW stations - all locations seem to have quite a few chargers free (not surprising, unless you get much better rates with other subscriptions than mine)
I see a couple of locations with 350kW, one of them with 66% occupancy rate (no wonder - IONITY is pretty good value with the passport subscription):
PetrolHeadInRecovery said:
blueg33 said:
740EVTORQUES said:
And just take a trip across France and you’ll see banks of reasonably priced DC fast chargers at every service station, always with some free.
Not helpful when you live in North Devon ).+100kW stations - all locations seem to have quite a few chargers free (not surprising, unless you get much better rates with other subscriptions than mine)
I see a couple of locations with 350kW, one of them with 66% occupancy rate (no wonder - IONITY is pretty good value with the passport subscription):
Mrs Deuce wants to go a July trip to Devon and Cornwall this year, I'm not the slightest bit worried about charging.
TheDeuce said:
And so much of the traffic is tourist, so no end of 22-50kw destination chargers either.
Mrs Deuce wants to go a July trip to Devon and Cornwall this year, I'm not the slightest bit worried about charging.
Exeter services alone has 26 350kW CCS chargers now .. plus 32 Superchargers for the Tesla crewMrs Deuce wants to go a July trip to Devon and Cornwall this year, I'm not the slightest bit worried about charging.
350kW for eight minutes gets you enough range to reach Lands End
TheDeuce said:
blueg33 said:
740EVTORQUES said:
And just take a trip across France and you’ll see banks of reasonably priced DC fast chargers at every service station, always with some free.
Not helpful when you live in North Devon blueg33 said:
TheDeuce said:
blueg33 said:
740EVTORQUES said:
And just take a trip across France and you’ll see banks of reasonably priced DC fast chargers at every service station, always with some free.
Not helpful when you live in North Devon 
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We were debating the ICE vs EV thing recently when my Wife said she wanted a new car, she was running a 9 year old 330D at that point. Our choice was largely a Cupra Born due to a decent lease deal.
Wife: How many miles does it do
Me: Around 220
Wife: That's not great
Me: How many miles do you get from a tank now?
Wife: 470 or so
Me: and how often do you fill up?
Wife: Once every 2 weeks.
Me: Right so, you would need to charge the Born once a week then.
Wife: Oh, ok then. That seems fine.
Now we have a lovely new Born sitting on the driveway.
and yes, I realise its going to be less than 220 in the winter or if doing 95mph on the motorway etc etc but you get the point.
Wife: How many miles does it do
Me: Around 220
Wife: That's not great
Me: How many miles do you get from a tank now?
Wife: 470 or so
Me: and how often do you fill up?
Wife: Once every 2 weeks.
Me: Right so, you would need to charge the Born once a week then.
Wife: Oh, ok then. That seems fine.
Now we have a lovely new Born sitting on the driveway.
and yes, I realise its going to be less than 220 in the winter or if doing 95mph on the motorway etc etc but you get the point.
I am still on the fence, not sure this thread has helped.
I do regular 3hrs journeys without stopping (I never break a 3 hour journey) sometimes at short notice, with no charger at destination. I then often spend a couple of hours at the destination and turn round and do the 3 hour journey back.
I tend to cruise at 77mph on the motorway.
I like to use heated seats, steering wheel and heating etc in the winter and aircon in the summer.
I don't like SUV's and prefer sporty cars. I have no charger at work.
I have test driven the following:
Ioniq5 - nearly bought one as I like the styling but range isn't enough I think, and I worry that it will date quickly
Polestar2 - too uncomfortable
Kia EV6 - same range issue as Ioniq5
Tesla 3 - very poor build quality, awful styling, annoying controls
Tesla S - very poor build quality and expensive
Audi e-tron GT - I liked it, but range is dire
Porsche Taycan AWD - range poor, exterior styling a bit meh, depreciates fasted than a half chewed donner kebab
Of the list the etron GT was the closest to my requirement but range is not great as far as I can tell
I am trying to find a EV that works for me. I am equally fussy about petrol cars.
Maybe if Alfa could do my Giulia with the same handling and 300+ miles real range and capability for very fast charging then things are looking up
But generally, what I really need is to try an EV for a month to see if it works for me.
I do regular 3hrs journeys without stopping (I never break a 3 hour journey) sometimes at short notice, with no charger at destination. I then often spend a couple of hours at the destination and turn round and do the 3 hour journey back.
I tend to cruise at 77mph on the motorway.
I like to use heated seats, steering wheel and heating etc in the winter and aircon in the summer.
I don't like SUV's and prefer sporty cars. I have no charger at work.
I have test driven the following:
Ioniq5 - nearly bought one as I like the styling but range isn't enough I think, and I worry that it will date quickly
Polestar2 - too uncomfortable
Kia EV6 - same range issue as Ioniq5
Tesla 3 - very poor build quality, awful styling, annoying controls
Tesla S - very poor build quality and expensive
Audi e-tron GT - I liked it, but range is dire
Porsche Taycan AWD - range poor, exterior styling a bit meh, depreciates fasted than a half chewed donner kebab
Of the list the etron GT was the closest to my requirement but range is not great as far as I can tell
I am trying to find a EV that works for me. I am equally fussy about petrol cars.
Maybe if Alfa could do my Giulia with the same handling and 300+ miles real range and capability for very fast charging then things are looking up
But generally, what I really need is to try an EV for a month to see if it works for me.
blueg33 said:
Tesla 3 - very poor build quality, awful styling, annoying controls
This gets rolled out a lot.I've just handed my Model 3 back to the lease company after 4 years. There may have been some poorly built ones, but I know mine and another colleague's that went back were no different to any other lease car I've had over the years.
The new one is on a different level. The indicators are also a lot easier to adjust to than I could ever imagine.
The styling is obviously subjective. No getting away from that
Maracus said:
blueg33 said:
Tesla 3 - very poor build quality, awful styling, annoying controls
This gets rolled out a lot.I've just handed my Model 3 back to the lease company after 4 years. There may have been some poorly built ones, but I know mine and another colleague's that went back were no different to any other lease car I've had over the years.
The new one is on a different level. The indicators are also a lot easier to adjust to than I could ever imagine.
The styling is obviously subjective. No getting away from that
The controls that really bugged me were for the heating and directing airflow. Forgot to add that the rear seat was uncomfortable pushing your knees up too high (maybe ok for a short person).
Tesla was not for me, which is a shame as I wanted to like it, it definitely had the best range and the supercharger network was attractive
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