Teacher guilty of sex with two boys
Discussion
Fermit said:
AFAIK no one has stated what she did was OK,
Yes they have, by trying to make it all about the teacher relationship and deny the age difference, or his age being an issue. Trying to apportion responsibility to a child for the actions of an adult.Fermit said:
However, it takes two to f
k.
He was a child. He was groomed and abused. She is an abuser. Stop blaming the victim.k.Electro1980 said:
Fermit said:
AFAIK no one has stated what she did was OK,
Yes they have, by trying to make it all about the teacher relationship and deny the age difference, or his age being an issue. Trying to apportion responsibility to a child for the actions of an adult.Fermit said:
However, it takes two to fk.
He was a child. He was groomed and abused. She is an abuser. Stop blaming the victim.k.
Oakey said:
People see teenage boy and older woman and go "living his best life" but these same posters would lose their st if their 15yr old son had been approached by a male teacher or a trans female teacher or if their 15yr old daughter had been impregnated by an older male teacher.
35yr old Russell Brand was having sex with a 16yr old schoolgirl, that was wrong.
64yr old Schofield most likely groomed that runner he claims he didn't sleep with until he was 18. Also wrong.
The vast majority of adults here wouldn't entertain a 15yr old because, well, they're 15.
The likes of Brand and Schofield are basically outing themselves, they will engage in questionable behaviour right up to the very limit of the law and the only thing stopping them going younger is the legality. If the age of consent was lower then these people would operate right up to that and we'd have people defending a 35yr old Brand that was fking a 12yr old. The age of consent is intended to not criminalise teens being teens, not a green light for middle aged men to shag kids.
Middle aged people surely.t if their 15yr old son had been approached by a male teacher or a trans female teacher or if their 15yr old daughter had been impregnated by an older male teacher. 35yr old Russell Brand was having sex with a 16yr old schoolgirl, that was wrong.
64yr old Schofield most likely groomed that runner he claims he didn't sleep with until he was 18. Also wrong.
The vast majority of adults here wouldn't entertain a 15yr old because, well, they're 15.
The likes of Brand and Schofield are basically outing themselves, they will engage in questionable behaviour right up to the very limit of the law and the only thing stopping them going younger is the legality. If the age of consent was lower then these people would operate right up to that and we'd have people defending a 35yr old Brand that was f
king a 12yr old. The age of consent is intended to not criminalise teens being teens, not a green light for middle aged men to shag kids. Skeptisk said:
Just so that we can be clear on your position. If the boy had been a few months older and 16 and she was a 30 year old neighbour, rather than his teacher, would you still see that as grooming and abuse?
Well, if that neighbour has known that kid for a number of years, built up a friendship with them and then fked them once they were 16, then that's the very definition of grooming...KAgantua said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:BikeBikeBIke said:
Nope. Nobody has said those issues would have *any* effect on the sentence or verdict whatsoever or anything remotely similar. In fact a lot of people have said the exact opposite. That's entirely come from you.
Maybe I've missed the post that suggests the enjoyment or otherwise of the lads might have any effect that you're taking the piss out of? Post a link to it so we can all see.
I'm taking the piss out of you and the other people trying to walk some weird line where on one side of it what she did was obviously completely wrong but on the other hand the kids she shagged were "lucky bMaybe I've missed the post that suggests the enjoyment or otherwise of the lads might have any effect that you're taking the piss out of? Post a link to it so we can all see.
ds" and it was like "like winning the lottery".Honestly you could start an arguement in an empty room, is all you ever do all day is post here?
If starting an argument in an empty room is questioning people who try to balance child abuse with how much the child loved every minute of it then yes I suppose I'm guilty.
Oakey said:
Skeptisk said:
Just so that we can be clear on your position. If the boy had been a few months older and 16 and she was a 30 year old neighbour, rather than his teacher, would you still see that as grooming and abuse?
Well, if that neighbour has known that kid for a number of years, built up a friendship with them and then fked them once they were 16, then that's the very definition of grooming...How do you view Kevin Kilne and Phoebe Cates? I think she was only 20 and he was a lot older…but 35 years later they are still together.
Age gap relationships are a minefield.
Edited by Skeptisk on Sunday 19th May 12:54
Skeptisk said:
That seems like you are adding details I didn’t postulate to make sure it fits into a definition of grooming. Assume they are new neighbours.
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So this 30yr old woman moves in to her new house and doesnt hesitate to have sex with a 16yr old that lives next door? ]
That's the scenario you're going with?
The 'time of their lives' advocates might give consideration to the fact that a 30 year old woman, especially a teacher, knows that 15 year old boys are basically embodied erections and to all intents and purposes walking spunk bombs. This makes them vulnerable.
She rode the second lad until she got pregnant, presumably to try and put herself in a better situation regarding the consequence of her earlier offence. That together with the gifts etc. is seriously manipulative. His life and that of his family has been put on a completely different track and any future relationship he tries to build will likely have the shadow of this episode hanging over it. He won't easily be able to hide that he became a father at 15. That would be a source of curiosity for anyone he encounters. If he's really lucky he'll get workmates from PH.'Hey hey you lucky bd you're the one who shagged the teacher.' Brilliant.
It wouldn't surprise me if there was some trauma in her background that leads her to choose relationships with biologically adult but immature males and she chose her profession because of this.
If your frame of reference for judging the rights and wrongs of this is beaming back to your 15 year old Beavis and Butthead self then it time for some introspection.
She rode the second lad until she got pregnant, presumably to try and put herself in a better situation regarding the consequence of her earlier offence. That together with the gifts etc. is seriously manipulative. His life and that of his family has been put on a completely different track and any future relationship he tries to build will likely have the shadow of this episode hanging over it. He won't easily be able to hide that he became a father at 15. That would be a source of curiosity for anyone he encounters. If he's really lucky he'll get workmates from PH.'Hey hey you lucky b
d you're the one who shagged the teacher.' Brilliant.It wouldn't surprise me if there was some trauma in her background that leads her to choose relationships with biologically adult but immature males and she chose her profession because of this.
If your frame of reference for judging the rights and wrongs of this is beaming back to your 15 year old Beavis and Butthead self then it time for some introspection.
Edited by oddman on Sunday 19th May 13:38
Evanivitch said:
So just ignore all the necessary points?
They aren’t necessary to the question I asked (not answered by the person I addressed it to). Other people are adding whataboutery too. It isn’t a hard question. It is legal for a 30 year old to start a relationship with a 16 year old but it seems like some are arguing it should be illegal (given that there is not really a meaningful biological difference between someone who is 15 and 11 months and 16). Skeptisk said:
They aren’t necessary to the question I asked (not answered by the person I addressed it to). Other people are adding whataboutery too. It isn’t a hard question. It is legal for a 30 year old to start a relationship with a 16 year old but it seems like some are arguing it should be illegal (given that there is not really a meaningful biological difference between someone who is 15 and 11 months and 16).
Where would you put the cutoff point? Skeptisk said:
I think it is very telling how these 15 year old boys are children and victims of grooming and abuse yet for many on here the 15 year old Shamima Begum can be held to account for what she did and wasn’t groomed. Double standards?
She was older than 15 when sewing fools into bomb vests. Skeptisk said:
It is legal for a 30 year old to start a relationship with a 16 year old but it seems like some are arguing it should be illegal
I'm not sure everyone is claiming it should be illegal on the basis of ages alone (and the UK has a completely confused definition of the age of an adult).The difference in age is often also linked to a difference in power and influence in the relationship.
Mr Penguin said:
Where would you put the cutoff point?
I don’t know but the current law around the age of consent seems misguided to me. Hard to accept that myself and half of the people I knew at school would be criminals and at risk of being putting onto a sex pest register just for having been teenagers (given that it seems oral sex and mutual masturbation and also illegal below 16). Age gap relationships used to be pretty normal in my school. A lot of the good looking 15/16 year old girls were going out with guys 3 or more years older than them. As teenage lads we were bitter because we couldn’t compete with the older guys who were physically more mature, had jobs and cars.
I think any system would have disadvantages. I don’t think we should be making 15 years old criminals and giving them records for having sex with other 15 year olds.
In terms of age differences perhaps limit legal sex for 16 and 17 year olds to someone no older than 24? After 18 complete freedom.
dudleybloke said:
Skeptisk said:
I think it is very telling how these 15 year old boys are children and victims of grooming and abuse yet for many on here the 15 year old Shamima Begum can be held to account for what she did and wasn’t groomed. Double standards?
She was older than 15 when sewing fools into bomb vests. About a year ago I read a long piece by someone in their thirties who had just managed to end a relationship with someone who had been his teacher. Similar to this case the teacher got pregnant and went to prison but he stayed with her and they had other children, yet his whole life was changed because of the relationship.
Skeptisk said:
I don’t know but the current law around the age of consent seems misguided to me. Hard to accept that myself and half of the people I knew at school would be criminals and at risk of being putting onto a sex pest register just for having been teenagers (given that it seems oral sex and mutual masturbation and also illegal below 16).
Age gap relationships used to be pretty normal in my school. A lot of the good looking 15/16 year old girls were going out with guys 3 or more years older than them. As teenage lads we were bitter because we couldn’t compete with the older guys who were physically more mature, had jobs and cars.
I think any system would have disadvantages. I don’t think we should be making 15 years old criminals and giving them records for having sex with other 15 year olds.
In terms of age differences perhaps limit legal sex for 16 and 17 year olds to someone no older than 24? After 18 complete freedom.
Quite, it's all about the variance in age. A 30 year old lady, especially considering she were his teacher, is absolutely not on. On the other hand, at 17 I had my first year long relationship. She was 15 when we started dating, is that wrong, no, that's the sort of typical age gaps you see in teen relationships. Were I bonking a 15 y/o today, at 46 y/o, I would be under no illusion that it would be 100% wrong.Age gap relationships used to be pretty normal in my school. A lot of the good looking 15/16 year old girls were going out with guys 3 or more years older than them. As teenage lads we were bitter because we couldn’t compete with the older guys who were physically more mature, had jobs and cars.
I think any system would have disadvantages. I don’t think we should be making 15 years old criminals and giving them records for having sex with other 15 year olds.
In terms of age differences perhaps limit legal sex for 16 and 17 year olds to someone no older than 24? After 18 complete freedom.
I wonder what I have done at 15 in this situation, probably run.
I once knew a lady who had an affair with an older guy who was in his 20s at 14, we talked about this once and she shrugged it off saying she knew what she was doing. A few years later now in her late 30s she took a psychology course (i think it was psychology) and decided she was raped and went to the police
Age of consent on Italy is 14 I believe, Poland is 15 too.
I once knew a lady who had an affair with an older guy who was in his 20s at 14, we talked about this once and she shrugged it off saying she knew what she was doing. A few years later now in her late 30s she took a psychology course (i think it was psychology) and decided she was raped and went to the police
Skeptisk said:
I think it is very telling how these 15 year old boys are children and victims of grooming and abuse yet for many on here the 15 year old Shamima Begum can be held to account for what she did and wasn’t groomed. Double standards?
On the one hand because the law says these boys were exploited does not mean they were, but a point has to be put somewhere, but should the boys not face some consequences too? They were old enough to know it is wrong and if they were for example running drugs or stealing cars for this woman they would also probably face consequences.Age of consent on Italy is 14 I believe, Poland is 15 too.
Skeptisk said:
I don’t know but the current law around the age of consent seems misguided to me. Hard to accept that myself and half of the people I knew at school would be criminals and at risk of being putting onto a sex pest register just for having been teenagers (given that it seems oral sex and mutual masturbation and also illegal below 16).
Age gap relationships used to be pretty normal in my school. A lot of the good looking 15/16 year old girls were going out with guys 3 or more years older than them. As teenage lads we were bitter because we couldn’t compete with the older guys who were physically more mature, had jobs and cars.
I think any system would have disadvantages. I don’t think we should be making 15 years old criminals and giving them records for having sex with other 15 year olds.
In terms of age differences perhaps limit legal sex for 16 and 17 year olds to someone no older than 24? After 18 complete freedom.
It's incredibly unlikely teenagers will be prosecuted for sexual relationships with other teenagers. Not in the public interest.Age gap relationships used to be pretty normal in my school. A lot of the good looking 15/16 year old girls were going out with guys 3 or more years older than them. As teenage lads we were bitter because we couldn’t compete with the older guys who were physically more mature, had jobs and cars.
I think any system would have disadvantages. I don’t think we should be making 15 years old criminals and giving them records for having sex with other 15 year olds.
In terms of age differences perhaps limit legal sex for 16 and 17 year olds to someone no older than 24? After 18 complete freedom.
Also, this isn't aimed at you, but it's incredibly creepy that some posters have seemingly memorised the age of consent of other countries...
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