Never been in a propeller aircraft

[donaircooleone]

A few flights on Dash 8's between Exeter, Channel Islands and London (at the time cheaper than rail/driving for us), a PA28 and most recently a delightful flight on a civilian re-registered C47 (DC3) over Normandy which was spectacular!

[hidetheelephants]

Arrivalist said:

I used to fly prop planes between Glasgow and Edinburgh (and possibly Aberdeen iirc) quite a lot for work.

Used to have some quite bumpy funfair-like rides when the winds were during the regular stormy weather which made for some exciting flights.

Always loved the sound of a propeller or two.

It's quicker to take the train surely?

[Eric Mc]

Regarding flights to Europe by BOAC, before BEA was formed in 1946, BOAC was intended to fly to Europe too. However, the war intervened so most routes to the continent were impossible. Despite that, a number were maintained to neutral countries such as Portugal (using DC-3s mostly) and, most famously to Stockholm using a variety of odd aircraft, including the Armstrong-Whitworth Whitley, the Lockheed Hudson and the de Havilland Mosquito.





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For a year after the war, BOAC continued with their revived European services until BEA waa set up.




However, I doubt if many PHers around today are old enough to have experienced a flight in any of these aircraft

BOAC did operate an internal British service in the early 1970s connecting Glasgow, Prestwick to Aberdeen supporting the oil industry using some very old Series 700 Viscounts -



.

[Mark V GTD]

Hmm from memory: Spitfire, P-51 Mustang, P-40 Kitthawk, Sea Fury, B-25, B-24, PBY Catalina, A-36 Bonanza and various Cessnas.

[magpie215]

Eric Mc said:

magpie215 said:

Probably a HS 748

Could even have been this -



or this -





They also operated a Fairchild Metro for a short while in the early days - although it was never painted in full Ryan Air colours.

Ooo forgot RYN operated Bandits I've flown one of those they were a nice aircraft.

[rallye101]

Panamax said:

The real test is whether you've flown in a propeller aircraft with one of more rotary petrol engines!

That's the full "Indiana Jones" experience.

My old instructor Andrew gets to fly this....winner!
Still hear/see one of my old trainers each week going over, I can tell it's (g-pat) without having to look, go on adsb exchange and yep, there she is!

Edited by rallye101 on Sunday 19th May 15:10

[Eric Mc]

I don't see a single rotary engine in those pictures. I do see plenty of Wright RADIAL engines.

This is a rotary -



This is a radial -



They may look similar but there is one massive difference. In a rotary, the entire engine spins with the propeller. On a radial the engine is stationary.

[eharding]

P1 : Piper PA-28, Cessna C-172, Cessna C-182,Yak-52, Pitts S1/S2, Piper PA-18, Extra 300.

Flown but not P1: DH Chipmunk, Mudry CAP 10B, Cessna C-140, Nanchang CJ-6, Yak-18T, Maule M5, Starduster SA300, SBach 342 + whatever I've forgotten

Pax: Cessna C-208 Amphibian, Short Skyvan, Fokker F-27, DH Devon, Lockheed C-130

Edited by eharding on Sunday 19th May 18:35

[2xChevrons]

Eric Mc said:

I don't see a single rotary engine in those pictures. I do see plenty of Wright RADIAL engines.

This is a rotary -



This is a radial -



They may look similar but there is one massive difference. In a rotary, the entire engine spins with the propeller. On a radial the engine is stationary.

I immediately feel on dodgy ground questioning your accuracy, Eric, but a two-row rotary with two pushrods per cylinder?

It may be a Clerget but I'm pretty sure that's a WW2-era radial. It even seems to have mechanical fuel injection.

[hidetheelephants]

2xChevrons said:

I immediately feel on dodgy ground questioning your accuracy, Eric, but a two-row rotary with two pushrods per cylinder?

It may be a Clerget but I'm pretty sure that's a WW2-era radial. It even seems to have mechanical fuel injection.

Weirdly it's a diesel, but Clerget did make loads of rotary engines.

A Clerget rotary earlier.

[52classic]

I am only aware of 2 makers of Rotary aero engines. Gnome, who provided the power for the Fokker Triplane and Clerget who licensed their design to Gwynnes Ltd in the UK to be used in Sopwith aircraft.

Are there any others?
Have there been any more Rotary powered aircraft since WW1?

[Arrivalist]

hidetheelephants said:

Arrivalist said:

I used to fly prop planes between Glasgow and Edinburgh (and possibly Aberdeen iirc) quite a lot for work.

Used to have some quite bumpy funfair-like rides when the winds were during the regular stormy weather which made for some exciting flights.

Always loved the sound of a propeller or two.

It's quicker to take the train surely?

Who knows. The people organising my travel always did flights, so I flew!

[aeropilot]

2xChevrons said:

Eric Mc said:

I don't see a single rotary engine in those pictures. I do see plenty of Wright RADIAL engines.

This is a rotary -



This is a radial -



They may look similar but there is one massive difference. In a rotary, the entire engine spins with the propeller. On a radial the engine is stationary.

I immediately feel on dodgy ground questioning your accuracy, Eric, but a two-row rotary with two pushrods per cylinder?

It may be a Clerget but I'm pretty sure that's a WW2-era radial. It even seems to have mechanical fuel injection.

That's because the Clerget 14F is a diesel radial engine.

It is indeed not a rotary.

[hidetheelephants]

Rotary engines went out of use quite quickly, they're not terribly reliable, inefficient and in single engine aircraft the handling characteristics are dangerous. They were used at the time as they were light and powerful, suitably powerful conventional engines didn't really appear until the middle of the war.

[aeropilot]

52classic said:

I am only aware of 2 makers of Rotary aero engines. Gnome, who provided the power for the Fokker Triplane and Clerget who licensed their design to Gwynnes Ltd in the UK to be used in Sopwith aircraft.

Are there any others?

Oberursel in Germany made what was basically a clone of the Gnome rotaries.

And Bentley made a rotary as well.

[52classic]

That's interesting AP. In the Tim Birkin biog with Rowan Atkinson he refers to flying a Sopwith having a Bentley engine.

[aeropilot]

52classic said:

That's interesting AP. In the Tim Birkin biog with Rowan Atkinson he refers to flying a Sopwith having a Bentley engine.

Sopwith Snipe most likely.

[52classic]

WOW! Every day a school day.

[Glosphil]

Prop planes
Hastings back from Egypt
York to Iraq & Hastings back
Britannia to/from Singapore
Pembroke & Britannia when working at BAC
Cessna 152 (flown apart from take-off & landing)
Viscount to/from Jersey
ATR to/from Jersey
Saab something (low-wing twin-engined) 340? from Jersey to Bristol

[2xChevrons]

aeropilot said:

Oberursel in Germany made what was basically a clone of the Gnome rotaries.

And Bentley made a rotary as well.

'Bentley', as in the car company, didn't make a rotary. Because they didn't exist yet.

The Bentley engine of Sopwith Camel/Snipe fame was designed by W.O. Bentley, who took the existing Clerget rotary and added his expertise in using aluminium alloy for the cylinder barrels and improving the design of the heads. He also came up with a way of building up the engines by shrink-fitting the cylinder barrels liners to the pistons, allowing much stronger piston rings to be used.

They were superior in performance and reliability to the original Clerget but were far more expensive and couldn't be built in the same volumes.

The engines were actually built by Humber