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Except she isn't standing again. On one level, I can see why Starmer took her but it's deeply cynical of him to have done so. She's as righty tighty as they come & toxic history too. Still, the rot at the heart of the Conservative party gets yet another run out, which is why Starmer did it, presumably.
thetapeworm said:
It didn't take them long to turn on her and bring some old quotes back to life 
Labour does seem like an odd choice if you've no intention of standing again, why not just be independent?
Those all look like lines that have been texted by Central Office to MPs for them to repeat TBH. That 'coalition of chaos' line dates back to when Miliband was leader, doesn't it?Labour does seem like an odd choice if you've no intention of standing again, why not just be independent?
Seems an odd time to realise it's all b
ksPresident Merkin said:
Mr Penguin said:
No part of the process has changed in the last 20 years, so it still applies.
Having no convictions or reports of postal voting fraud would back up my hypothesis that it is impossible to police, unless you want to claim that nobody even tries to commit postal fraud but would rather do it in person (which is both less efficient and more likely to be caught in the moment).
Except no one finds it at any election at any significant level except for a cabal of right wing loonies who can't shut up about it & in any case, this cul-de-sac of a strand has been overtaken by events. In short, no one is interested in negligible postal fraud when Natalie Elphicke has just goose stepped across the floor.Having no convictions or reports of postal voting fraud would back up my hypothesis that it is impossible to police, unless you want to claim that nobody even tries to commit postal fraud but would rather do it in person (which is both less efficient and more likely to be caught in the moment).
Edited by President Merkin on Wednesday 8th May 13:24
Fortunately the second item (below) was 'attempted' but not the first. WHy not check these out.
A Judge has delivered a devastating indictment of the postal voting system championed by Ministers as he found six Labour councillors guilty of electoral fraud. He said checks against corruption were "hopelessly insecure" and accused the Government of being in denial about the risks to democracy.
Five men, including two former councillors, were today jailed for their parts in a failed postal votes scam intended to get a Conservative candidate elected.
It's frothy, man.
thetapeworm said:
Labour does seem like an odd choice if you've no intention of standing again, why not just be independent?
Paid advisory roles or being on the winning side in the House of Lords I would suppose. As the trough looks like it will be taken away from them they will claw desperately for a replacement trough. 
BBC said:
'Not sure they'll be happy bedfellows' - Tory deputy chair
Angela Richardson, deputy chair of the Conservative party, has been telling the BBC's World at One programme she thinks the people of Dover and Deal will be "sorry" and "disappointed" that their MP, Natalie Elphicke, has defected to Labour.
They've felt the impact of illegal immigration and small boat arrivals, she says.
Richardson goes on to say more about the reaction of Conservative MPs.
"I was sat next to Jacob Rees-Mogg on the benches, and he said: 'Natalie is even to the right of me'. I am not sure they're going to be happy bedfellows," Richardson continues.
"Labour has just got its first member of the ERG," she says, referring to the Brexit-backing European Research Group of Conservative MPs.
"It is quite extraordinary so there is a level of bemusement," she adds.
I can see why Momentum are annoyed.Angela Richardson, deputy chair of the Conservative party, has been telling the BBC's World at One programme she thinks the people of Dover and Deal will be "sorry" and "disappointed" that their MP, Natalie Elphicke, has defected to Labour.
They've felt the impact of illegal immigration and small boat arrivals, she says.
Richardson goes on to say more about the reaction of Conservative MPs.
"I was sat next to Jacob Rees-Mogg on the benches, and he said: 'Natalie is even to the right of me'. I am not sure they're going to be happy bedfellows," Richardson continues.
"Labour has just got its first member of the ERG," she says, referring to the Brexit-backing European Research Group of Conservative MPs.
"It is quite extraordinary so there is a level of bemusement," she adds.
I've been listening to LBC on the drive home and there's a mix of opinions on Elphicke.
Plenty mirror mine which is what the hell is Starmer thinking but quite a few also being pragmatic that it's a "hold your nose" one as it sends a message.
I can understand that point of view but I'm not sure it's swayed my own view from what on earth is he thinking.
Plenty mirror mine which is what the hell is Starmer thinking but quite a few also being pragmatic that it's a "hold your nose" one as it sends a message.
I can understand that point of view but I'm not sure it's swayed my own view from what on earth is he thinking.
Mr Penguin said:
BBC said:
'Not sure they'll be happy bedfellows' - Tory deputy chair
Angela Richardson, deputy chair of the Conservative party, has been telling the BBC's World at One programme she thinks the people of Dover and Deal will be "sorry" and "disappointed" that their MP, Natalie Elphicke, has defected to Labour.
They've felt the impact of illegal immigration and small boat arrivals, she says.
Richardson goes on to say more about the reaction of Conservative MPs.
"I was sat next to Jacob Rees-Mogg on the benches, and he said: 'Natalie is even to the right of me'. I am not sure they're going to be happy bedfellows," Richardson continues.
"Labour has just got its first member of the ERG," she says, referring to the Brexit-backing European Research Group of Conservative MPs.
"It is quite extraordinary so there is a level of bemusement," she adds.
I can see why Momentum are annoyed.Angela Richardson, deputy chair of the Conservative party, has been telling the BBC's World at One programme she thinks the people of Dover and Deal will be "sorry" and "disappointed" that their MP, Natalie Elphicke, has defected to Labour.
They've felt the impact of illegal immigration and small boat arrivals, she says.
Richardson goes on to say more about the reaction of Conservative MPs.
"I was sat next to Jacob Rees-Mogg on the benches, and he said: 'Natalie is even to the right of me'. I am not sure they're going to be happy bedfellows," Richardson continues.
"Labour has just got its first member of the ERG," she says, referring to the Brexit-backing European Research Group of Conservative MPs.
"It is quite extraordinary so there is a level of bemusement," she adds.
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