Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)
Discussion
EddieSteadyGo said:
CoolHands said:
Really? If the grammar school is full (which they are) it will make no difference. The poor parents will have little timmy to go to a non-selective school! The horror
Just as likely is that "little Timmy" parent's will push out the other parent's children over time. They can do that because they can afford to buy the houses in the right catchments, and can use more tutoring to get better entrance exam scores.The thick but rich kids will stay put, the pressure point will be kids that just managed to scrape the tests, live on the edges of a catchment area and/or don't have any previous family members at the school.
turbobloke said:
Some people lap it up regardless, because not-the-tories. The idea that Labour will fix stuff has too little to support it beyond fine words from a protest Party.
Labour has made itself the Party fixated on independent education, their ideas will fix nothing worthwhile but the law of unintended consequences is waiting for them as usual.
I wouldn't get too carried away.Labour has made itself the Party fixated on independent education, their ideas will fix nothing worthwhile but the law of unintended consequences is waiting for them as usual.
The only reason this is possible is that the Tories are an even bigger bunch of dysfunctional f
kwits right now. Wombat3 said:
People who struggle to make the fees are the ones who have already set their priorities in favour of getting the best education they can for their kids rather than spanking new Range Rovers and holibobs in Barbidross. It's a lot of money, nobody does it if they don't find value in it.
VAT exemption for education is just there and always has been. Doesn't make it wrong. This is just the imposition of a tax to try and stop people using it..which will actually just make it more elitist, raise little money and disrupt the education of an unknown number of children.
Pareto ie the 80: 20 rule is what should be front and centre....80% of results come from 20% of your actions. This should not even be looked at before the last 5%, never mind in the first 20%
In other contexts, this would be regarded as a dog whistle policy..... VAT exemption for education is just there and always has been. Doesn't make it wrong. This is just the imposition of a tax to try and stop people using it..which will actually just make it more elitist, raise little money and disrupt the education of an unknown number of children.
Pareto ie the 80: 20 rule is what should be front and centre....80% of results come from 20% of your actions. This should not even be looked at before the last 5%, never mind in the first 20%
Are you still winnying on about this? 48 hours since you said you had no dog in the fight & I log on to see an entire weekend of posts on pe. You'd best find a way to make your peace with it.
Meanwhile, I'm sat here thinking about what we could have done with the reported £4.7bn spaffed up the wall from the last time the Tories got their way.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/post-brexit-bord...
Meanwhile, I'm sat here thinking about what we could have done with the reported £4.7bn spaffed up the wall from the last time the Tories got their way.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/post-brexit-bord...
Carl_VivaEspana said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
CoolHands said:
Really? If the grammar school is full (which they are) it will make no difference. The poor parents will have little timmy to go to a non-selective school! The horror
Just as likely is that "little Timmy" parent's will push out the other parent's children over time. They can do that because they can afford to buy the houses in the right catchments, and can use more tutoring to get better entrance exam scores.The thick but rich kids will stay put, the pressure point will be kids that just managed to scrape the tests, live on the edges of a catchment area and/or don't have any previous family members at the school.
Tom8 said:
"Thick rich kids"? You realise private schools are selective don't you? The main reason the left hates them as not everyone wins a prize? You did know that though, you were just messing. I think.
About half are academically selective, the other half just select your cash. Don't you have an entire thread devoted to moaning about it? Day after day of hand wringing over this is beyond tedious.Mr Penguin said:
President Merkin said:
About half are academically selective, the other half just select your cash. Don't you have an entire thread devoted to moaning about it? Day after day of hand wringing over this is beyond tedious.
What would you rather we discuss if not Starmer's policies?It looks a bit like a rug recently
I wonder if he has shaved it all off so he can identify as a baldie north of the border. He can play that Mr Swinney at his own game and get valuable votes from Scotland. Put the rug back on and get the votes in England
anonymoususer said:
Mr Penguin said:
President Merkin said:
About half are academically selective, the other half just select your cash. Don't you have an entire thread devoted to moaning about it? Day after day of hand wringing over this is beyond tedious.
What would you rather we discuss if not Starmer's policies?It looks a bit like a rug recently
I wonder if he has shaved it all off so he can identify as a baldie north of the border. He can play that Mr Swinney at his own game and get valuable votes from Scotland. Put the rug back on and get the votes in England
Wombat3 said:
It's no different to everything else. To increase funding you are either borrowing more, taxing more or cutting elsewhere. What's your poison?
The underlying point about VAT on PE is that its by far from guaranteed to achieve a positive outcome in any sphere (and if it does the gains will be marginal at the cost of unnecessary disruption and likely increased pressures in the state system).
It's therefore a stupid policy to even be thinking about as a priority if your objective is to "fix the country".
If it's indicative of what we can expect from a Labour government then we aren't going to get very far.
Just as you can rave about how it affects very few people (but actually the effects may well be felt on a much wider basis than that), so it's being argued that it's going to achieve very little that's positive either...and may well not be that good.
So what's the point of doing it?
I would like the one where everything that doesn't affect me is taxed more please. And some Skittles.The underlying point about VAT on PE is that its by far from guaranteed to achieve a positive outcome in any sphere (and if it does the gains will be marginal at the cost of unnecessary disruption and likely increased pressures in the state system).
It's therefore a stupid policy to even be thinking about as a priority if your objective is to "fix the country".
If it's indicative of what we can expect from a Labour government then we aren't going to get very far.
Just as you can rave about how it affects very few people (but actually the effects may well be felt on a much wider basis than that), so it's being argued that it's going to achieve very little that's positive either...and may well not be that good.
So what's the point of doing it?
Edited by Wombat3 on Sunday 19th May 09:55
I've just started watching Baby Reindeer on Netflix - if you haven't watched it do so it's fking brilliant so far.
Didn't realise it wasn't entirely grounded in fiction though
https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/179247468678732201...
Baby Reindeer’s ‘real Martha’ Fiona Harvey ‘bombarded Keir Starmer with over 200 chilling emails’
king brilliant so far.Didn't realise it wasn't entirely grounded in fiction though
https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/179247468678732201...
Baby Reindeer’s ‘real Martha’ Fiona Harvey ‘bombarded Keir Starmer with over 200 chilling emails’
Mr Penguin said:
President Merkin said:
About half are academically selective, the other half just select your cash. Don't you have an entire thread devoted to moaning about it? Day after day of hand wringing over this is beyond tedious.
What would you rather we discuss if not Starmer's policies?t than might be expected.(And its not as if this is one of many things we know much detail about, its about the ONLY thing we know any detail about !)
philv said:
Murph7355 said:
I wouldn't get too carried away.
The only reason this is possible is that the Tories are an even bigger bunch of dysfunctional fkwits right now.
Ah...no they're not.The only reason this is possible is that the Tories are an even bigger bunch of dysfunctional f
kwits right now. Wait and see.
Labour supporters are calling for an election yesterday as they know there's plenty of time for Starmer/Rayner to screw up, even on a big poll lead which should be an open goal. They'll have more time to screw up if they get a majority.
turbobloke said:
Starmer going along with a hit aimed at independent education before other policies are firmed up doesn't suggest a firm grip on priorities at Labour HQ.
Labour supporters are calling for an election yesterday as they know there's plenty of time for Starmer/Rayner to screw up, even on a big poll lead which should be an open goal. They'll have more time to screw up if they get a majority.
Lovely fanfic. Would definitely read again.Labour supporters are calling for an election yesterday as they know there's plenty of time for Starmer/Rayner to screw up, even on a big poll lead which should be an open goal. They'll have more time to screw up if they get a majority.
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