Transit Engines Recalled What’s going on?
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stevemcs said:
Its under a day to do it, biggest pain is getting the water pump out. Budget £1400, thats with genuine parts, new chain cover, sump, belts, water pump etc.
That’s not a bad price IMO considering the amount of work required.It’s just cost me £1300 to have timing chains & guides, aux belt & tensioner, water pump, new radiator, air-con heat exchanger and MOT done on my Renault Trafic.
105.4 said:
stevemcs said:
Its under a day to do it, biggest pain is getting the water pump out. Budget £1400, thats with genuine parts, new chain cover, sump, belts, water pump etc.
That’s not a bad price IMO considering the amount of work required.It’s just cost me £1300 to have timing chains & guides, aux belt & tensioner, water pump, new radiator, air-con heat exchanger and MOT done on my Renault Trafic.
Fast and Spurious said:
I read it as £1400 for the parts! Plus a day of swearing etc.
The day of swearing is included as is HMRC's cut. It would be cheaper if ford didn't use thin tin for the belt covers that is stuck on, or if the front crank seal was available separate from the front cover. ITs around £300 for the part alone which makes the job more expensive than it should be. The sump itself is cheap around £30, the pick up pipe £15 the water pump £200 i think ... you don't have to change the waterpump but you have to remove it to remove the chain cover so its pointless putting it back. Price also includes oil a filter - again 0w30 is stupidly priced105.4 said:
grumpy52 said:
We had Transits on long term testing from Ford,serviced exactly on schedule at the dealers . Every one of them blew up and always many miles from home , Poland ,Spain ,Italy . All transported back to Ford and never seen again.
The exception were the big 5 cylinder turbo lumps ,they were flying machines and had all sorts of different ECUs tried in them . They did go bang but they were rebuilt and returned. Some set up for power , sometimes set up for economic running.
One had 300+bhp !
We had special oil from ford just for their vehicles and all had to be logged when topping up .
That sounds like a great gig to have tbh.The exception were the big 5 cylinder turbo lumps ,they were flying machines and had all sorts of different ECUs tried in them . They did go bang but they were rebuilt and returned. Some set up for power , sometimes set up for economic running.
One had 300+bhp !
We had special oil from ford just for their vehicles and all had to be logged when topping up .
What was it you do to get such privileges from Ford?
Most of our vans were sprinters but we also ran up to 4 Transits on long term tests .
All didn't have spec badges and all had instructions on how they were to be driven, in eco mode,with traction control on or off . We had a questionnaire to fill in and an evaluation report to write after every trip . We did have a German spec LHD version that had a tachograph fitted along with adblu and KMH Speedo but non of the fancy add ons of the UK spec vans on test like ,rear parking camera,lane control warning, adaptive cruise control,A/C and cornering lights .
All the test vehicles had strict service guidelines carried out at select main dealers anything out of the ordinary and they went back to Fords . We did urgent express delivery of parts for Ford mainly to the UK but also in Europe.
We also did work for most of the car manufacturers in the UK .
The best perk was a tour of the Bentley Museum at Crewe at 1am after delivery of some urgent catalytic converters.
Also delivered various parts of vehicles to Thatchams or TUV test centre in Germany.
We also did aircraft and ship parts ,TV and films,music , exhibition, air shows , military and MOD work. Also dangerous goods and F1 work .
Hi all, new to forum, just fallen into transit wet belt trap, going thro argument with dealership and ford at mo whilst losing tons of money... for everyones info. mines a 2018 base model, 2.0 eco. owned it from new, full service history twice yearly with the dealer (ford main ). had no recall, no notification, but mines less than 6 yrs old, and only done 82k...dealer hasnt notified me of any changes or advised to get belt done, my prob is this crap about ford offering a partial payment of the cost. noticed most of you saying the same, but in any law, where thier is a design fault especially unnotified the cust. must be put back in a position he /she would be before the damage. and that includes loss of earnings, grievance etc. can anyone tell me if any legal cases are being brought, or a collective.... lastly, mine was idling, just warming it up to defrost windows, wasnt being driven, or in gear, went as tho diesel ws running out, and then stopped, outside home. drove it home yesterday down m6, had full power, no hiccups no warning, and when it failed this am, no warning lights have come on. appreciate all your info on here
dodgy PPS the law is the 2006 consumer credit act. take a look. it states that in the event of faulty goods or services, you have the right to sue not only the provider of the goods, but also the financer. I have used this law to good effect before, It basically states that you can sue the financer (if financed) or your bank, if you borrowed the money, for lending you the money to buy defective goods.....reason being. the financers dont want you in debt for something you now dont own, in this case because of write off, as they have no asset to recover, should you fail to pay
dodgy PPS the law is the 2006 consumer credit act. take a look. it states that in the event of faulty goods or services, you have the right to sue not only the provider of the goods, but also the financer. I have used this law to good effect before, It basically states that you can sue the financer (if financed) or your bank, if you borrowed the money, for lending you the money to buy defective goods.....reason being. the financers dont want you in debt for something you now dont own, in this case because of write off, as they have no asset to recover, should you fail to pay
My local Ford dealer has quoted between 1850-2250 inc vat depending on parts required.
They even said other option is run it and if it breaks then try a claim but they can’t guarantee success!
Now on 77k (2016) even though it actually been a very reliable van it’s now showing its age everywhere else.
They even said other option is run it and if it breaks then try a claim but they can’t guarantee success!
Now on 77k (2016) even though it actually been a very reliable van it’s now showing its age everywhere else.
Patch1875 said:
Now on 77k (2016) even though it actually been a very reliable van it’s now showing its age everywhere else.
77k miles and your commercial vehicle is falling apart? f
k me Ford really have lost the plot. Meanwhile, Sprinters are regularly clocking 400k miles with no real issues....
Patch1875 said:
My local Ford dealer has quoted between 1850-2250 inc vat depending on parts required.
They even said other option is run it and if it breaks then try a claim but they can’t guarantee success!
Now on 77k (2016) even though it actually been a very reliable van it’s now showing its age everywhere else.
We are £1400 using genuine parts, Ford have also changed the interval to 6 years.They even said other option is run it and if it breaks then try a claim but they can’t guarantee success!
Now on 77k (2016) even though it actually been a very reliable van it’s now showing its age everywhere else.
Are the later Euro 6 engines any less susceptible to wet belt failure? I'm hearing conflicting info from various dealers. Some are telling me that the early engines are Euro 6 standard and more prone to failure and the later models (2020 onwards it seems) are Euro 6.2 standard, use different components and are less prone to failure. Others are telling me that they're all the same regardless.
ChemicalChaos said:
77k miles and your commercial vehicle is falling apart? fk me Ford really have lost the plot.
Meanwhile, Sprinters are regularly clocking 400k miles with no real issues....
Not with the latest engine, the 654, I think, and every Euro 6 in this part of the world, with the old Engine, is running with Adblue delete, including my own, k me Ford really have lost the plot. Meanwhile, Sprinters are regularly clocking 400k miles with no real issues....
Had it 3 years, it has done 2k, in that time done 76k in an NV400 21 plate, traded that for a 23 New Iveco, done 43k in that, the Sprinter is a yard ornament, bloody horrible thing to drive, and no aircon, bought on 85k and great condition, just awful to drive and risks a prohibition if it does go out.
WarrenB said:
Are the later Euro 6 engines any less susceptible to wet belt failure? I'm hearing conflicting info from various dealers. Some are telling me that the early engines are Euro 6 standard and more prone to failure and the later models (2020 onwards it seems) are Euro 6.2 standard, use different components and are less prone to failure. Others are telling me that they're all the same regardless.
The belt composition has been changed a few times. The biggest problem is using incorrect oil, not changing it often enough, running low on oil, basically the belt stays ok in decent correct oil.That was probably the reson for the first post on the thread, recalled for new belt compossition.
Lots of mechanics have got changes off to a tee now and can do them much cheaper than main agent, who quote high as they do not really want to do them.
Don,t take a chance of them going bang and arguing the toss, invaribly you will come second, every trick in the book will be used, including oil analysis.
Always remember the core business is selling the things. Having them back is an annoyance, and in the case of Ford, you are not dealing with the Franchise that sold it, warranty etc, is another thing all together, good will is highly unlikely.
My 21 Connect, blew a turbo, 2 days after the warranty expired, after a load of warranty work less than 7k miles before, involving blocked oilways, was pissing in the wind.
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