Potholes - Porsche Driver Killed

[daytona111r]

I’ve had to get a replacement gearbox after cracking the casing due to a huge unsigned pothole on a406 at Palmers Green tunnel.

[Bonefish Blues]

EK9_CTR said:

I can't be the only one saddened by the state of British roads and thinks about calling it a day with performance cars, and buying a comfy SUV with chunky tyres? E.g. Land Cruiser.

Ariel Nomad would be fine, as would a Bowler

[bigothunter]

braddo said:

I disagree, the A272 is still a great road to drive. That straight stretch where the accident happened has very little room for error, however.

ETA I won't be surprised if lower speed limits are implemented in that area pretty quickly.

Lower speed limits must be on the cards for pothole infested roads. 40 limit to replace NSL?

Banning overtaking must be high priority. Don't want to risk hitting potholes when roaring past.

Badly potholed roads could be closed apart from access to residents and service vehicles. 20 limit would suit.

Anything rather than sort out the bloody roads and make them fit for purpose, as we lurch towards 3rd world status

[Donbot]

Forester1965 said:

Donbot said:

I'm surprised people have so much difficulty scanning the road surface.

On a bike / motorbike you have to do it constantly if you don't want to fall off every time you go out.

How high is your eyeline riding a motorbike versus someone sat in a 911?

Obviously higher. But I've driven cars with low seating positions and can still see the road surface fine.

[biggbn]

Zarco said:

biggbn said:

Could there be a solution of a super strong plate of some sort bolted through to the road as a temporary fix for potholes? I'm sure I've seen 'plates' used in roadworks etc...?

Its called a road plate funnily enough.

We'd need a lot of them! They're around 30-40mm thick so are a bump in themselves. Traffic would move them after a while I'd expect (especially in a NSL).

I meant for the worst ones as an emergency repair. I also wondered if something like that could be applied then a sort of cavity sealer injected from the top, assuming the 'plate' had some kind of membrane or anti stick on the underside? Something that would grip into the hole...temporary again but better than fk all which is what happens

[Guybrush]

It may be that the Porsche driver didn't swerve at all and that it was one of the other drivers involved who did (or even someone who didn't remain at the scene).

[FMOB]

biggbn said:

Zarco said:

biggbn said:

Could there be a solution of a super strong plate of some sort bolted through to the road as a temporary fix for potholes? I'm sure I've seen 'plates' used in roadworks etc...?

Its called a road plate funnily enough.

We'd need a lot of them! They're around 30-40mm thick so are a bump in themselves. Traffic would move them after a while I'd expect (especially in a NSL).

I meant for the worst ones as an emergency repair. I also wondered if something like that could be applied then a sort of cavity sealer injected from the top, assuming the 'plate' had some kind of membrane or anti stick on the underside? Something that would grip into the hole...temporary again but better than fk all which is what happens

The plates would get nicked as soon as the workmen were out of sight, is nicking tarmac a thing yet?

[mcpoot]

Donbot said:

Forester1965 said:

Donbot said:

I'm surprised people have so much difficulty scanning the road surface.

On a bike / motorbike you have to do it constantly if you don't want to fall off every time you go out.

How high is your eyeline riding a motorbike versus someone sat in a 911?

Obviously higher. But I've driven cars with low seating positions and can still see the road surface fine.

Can you tell me how I can get the x-ray vision you obviously have to see through the car in front to see the road surface.

[Zarco]

mcpoot said:

Donbot said:

Forester1965 said:

Donbot said:

I'm surprised people have so much difficulty scanning the road surface.

On a bike / motorbike you have to do it constantly if you don't want to fall off every time you go out.

How high is your eyeline riding a motorbike versus someone sat in a 911?

Obviously higher. But I've driven cars with low seating positions and can still see the road surface fine.

Can you tell me how I can get the x-ray vision you obviously have to see through the car in front to see the road surface.

Not following too close helps. Not saying you do, but I'd say 70% of drivers follow much closer than I do (whilst constantly dabbing their brakes to maintain than 0.5sec gap to the car in front).

[bigothunter]

mcpoot said:

Donbot said:

Forester1965 said:

Donbot said:

I'm surprised people have so much difficulty scanning the road surface.

On a bike / motorbike you have to do it constantly if you don't want to fall off every time you go out.

How high is your eyeline riding a motorbike versus someone sat in a 911?

Obviously higher. But I've driven cars with low seating positions and can still see the road surface fine.

Can you tell me how I can get the x-ray vision you obviously have to see through the car in front to see the road surface.

You need to leave a 4 second gap

[Vipers]

Gordon Hill said:

Yes and how much does the drivers house cost?

Like news papers on the lines of “So and so, whose parents live in a £250,000 house……”

[Baldchap]

Gary C said:

Pica-Pica said:

740EVTORQUES said:

But to swerve is a very human reaction and why the whole thing is just tragic.

But, swerving is panicking, driving is about observation and planning, not panicking.

Good job most people on PH are perfect drivers who never make an error, or miss something.

To anyone who thinks gut reaction responses can't be overcome, I say ride a motorcycle. Once you have binned it once you very quickly learn to think before you act. Further training improves on this.

Through training and practice - and that doesn't mean just driving, it means *practicing* specific skills, you can overcome your gut reaction and learn to think and plan in response to an emergency. You also learn, of course, how to have less 'emergencies' to begin with.

It doesn't mean anyone is claiming to be a perfect driver. Merely that they accept a few hours of training at 17 years old isn't enough and have improved the situation.

Don't let best be the enemy of better, hey?

Edited by Baldchap on Wednesday 8th May 09:57

[8IKERDAVE]

EK9_CTR said:

I can't be the only one saddened by the state of British roads and thinks about calling it a day with performance cars, and buying a comfy SUV with chunky tyres? E.g. Land Cruiser.

Yep I fall into that category. After repairing 2 wheels on my S5 I recently changed cars to a BMW 330e and specifically hunted out a non-M-Sport for this very reason. The days of running 20" wheels with rubber band tyres are long gone for me it's just too much hassle.

[Rusty Old-Banger]

As alluded to above, people seem to want to/think they have the right to swerve around them, in to oncoming traffic, without slowing, rather than slowing/stopping if necessary.

RIP to this chap, but a GT2, doing that much damage, more to this story than just the pothole, IMO.

[BricktopST205]

NRG1976 said:

If it was a car with side curtain airbags he would likely have survived.

If the car was RHD he would have definitely survived.

Bad luck, feel for the family.

Reminds me of Keith O'dors accident in the supertouring era on the old Avus track. He was racing a RHD car and lost it in the wall as he spun around Biela's Audi slammed right into the side of him killing him. If he was in a left hooker like the majority of the grid he would most likely still be alive today.

[SuperPav]

OT but the thread title acronym of PDK seems morbidly fitting.

I drive cross country, a decent mileage every day and the pot holes do genuinely seem worse recently, certainly in the amount of time they're left untreated, even on A-roads. Thankfully I've managed to avoid ever damaging a wheel (or heading into oncoming traffic), but it's enough to deter me from cycling on a lot of roads, and I regularly see people darting left and right instinctively to avoid them.

[Nomme de Plum]

SuperPav said:

OT but the thread title acronym of PDK seems morbidly fitting.

I drive cross country, a decent mileage every day and the pot holes do genuinely seem worse recently, certainly in the amount of time they're left untreated, even on A-roads. Thankfully I've managed to avoid ever damaging a wheel (or heading into oncoming traffic), but it's enough to deter me from cycling on a lot of roads, and I regularly see people darting left and right instinctively to avoid them.

I'm a cyclist too but I don't dart anywhere. A bicycle gives great visibility of the road ahead and plenty of time to react.

[Donbot]

bigothunter said:

mcpoot said:

Donbot said:

Forester1965 said:

Donbot said:

I'm surprised people have so much difficulty scanning the road surface.

On a bike / motorbike you have to do it constantly if you don't want to fall off every time you go out.

How high is your eyeline riding a motorbike versus someone sat in a 911?

Obviously higher. But I've driven cars with low seating positions and can still see the road surface fine.

Can you tell me how I can get the x-ray vision you obviously have to see through the car in front to see the road surface.

You need to leave a 4 second gap

What's wrong with leaving a four second gap?

[Forester1965]

Donbot said:

What's wrong with leaving a four second gap?

100m gap at 60mph?

[Donbot]

Forester1965 said:

Donbot said:

What's wrong with leaving a four second gap?

100m gap at 60mph?

Yeah, why not. You only bunch up back together at junctions etc.