EV with real 300+ mile range?

[JNW1]

foggy said:

It’s unfamiliar journeys where I find the odd bit of range anxiety, or more realistically charging anxiety, can kick in, especially if you’re somewhere off the beaten track. Then it can mean making diversions and wasting time on slower chargers.

For those unable to charge at home I think that's actually the issue. The vast majority of drivers aren't doing long trips regularly and often but what they're used to with an ICE vehicle is the ability to top-up and add range quickly and easily; there are loads of fuel stations around and it takes less than 5 minutes to add several hundred miles.

So for most I don't think range per se is the issue, it's more they're worried they won't be able to recharge as quickly and easily as they can refuel their ICE car. I'd actually argue an EV with a range of 150 miles or less wouldn't be a problem to most providing they had confidence a charger would be easily accessible and their battery would recharge in the same sort of time it takes to fill a tank with fuel.

Therefore, IMO what the majority of drivers need aren't bigger batteries and heavier cars with a longer range, they need smaller, lighter, batteries (and cars) that charge quickly together along with the charging infrastructure to do the recharging. In my view a lot of the fixation with range isn't because people need to do long runs, it's more just a symptom of lack of confidence in the recharging process.

[740EVTORQUES]

fatjon said:

740EVTORQUES said:

Interesting

Do you mind me asking what your overall average is?

Mine is 2.8 over 18,000 miles starting in Jan 2023

Thanks

Thanks,

I was really meaning over a whole year or even the lifetime of the car rather than one month in Spring, that is what my data is, so it takes in all weather conditions. I’d be interested to know. I suspect my current consumption is not too dissimilar to yours though not quite as frugal.

You can get this from the car I think.

Thank you.

[fatjon]

740EVTORQUES said:

Thanks,

I was really meaning over a whole year or even the lifetime of the car rather than one month in Spring, that is what my data is, so it takes in all weather conditions. I’d be interested to know. I suspect my current consumption is not too dissimilar to yours though not quite as frugal.

You can get this from the car I think.

Thank you.

unfortunately it all got reset last month when trying to diagnose a problem so it is skewed towards warmer weather.

[Mr E]

For additional reference.
Tesla model Y dual motor.

Today’s milage (ie current drive and since last charge) are all motorway work in borderline ideal conditions.

Lifetime (21k miles worth) on the right.



Today I think I could just do 300 miles on a full battery, but it would be at a very strict 70mph and with absolutely zero margin. I’d be looking for a charger and a toilet 4 hours in.

[Grapevine226]

Another Model Y LR here. Recent trip from Gloucester to Warrington going at 70mph or whatever speed the traffic allowed. Did 118 miles using a third of the battery, so well over 300+ miles. Much more efficient in the warmer weather but, having got the car in December 2023, it might struggle to do 280 in the winter - although very very close and a 5 mine top up would be enough.

[Mr E]

I’d suggest the lifetime of nearer 270Wh/mile is more realistic.

[blueg33]

70mph is a very irritating speed on the motorway as a driver!

[740EVTORQUES]

So my car has charged to 100%, showing 227 miles range, more than enough for my planned 195 mile round trip later. I usually stop for a quick top up on the way back (less than 10 mins)

Shame, I won’t have an excuse to stop for a coffee on the way back, I might stop anyway though.

It sounds like I could get another 10% range by driving more sedately, but I don’t need to, and unlike a petrol car, it’s so cheap to run that there’s no financial incentive to slow down either.

[ChocolateFrog]

740EVTORQUES said:

fatjon said:

740EVTORQUES said:

Interesting

Do you mind me asking what your overall average is?

Mine is 2.8 over 18,000 miles starting in Jan 2023

Thanks

Thanks,

I was really meaning over a whole year or even the lifetime of the car rather than one month in Spring, that is what my data is, so it takes in all weather conditions. I’d be interested to know. I suspect my current consumption is not too dissimilar to yours though not quite as frugal.

You can get this from the car I think.

Thank you.

I'm at 2.8 since I got my current car but only had that 4 months and 4000 miles.

The ID3 was more like 3.5 over 20000 miles.

[ChocolateFrog]

blueg33 said:

70mph is a very irritating speed on the motorway as a driver!

You always, almost without fail, pick someone up that you end up overtaking 3, 4 or 5 times.

[blueg33]

So which ev for real 300 miles range in winter that’s not Tesla or Polestar. I quite like the Ioniq5 I tested but it’s not 300 mile real range.

BMW is also out

I would like something sporty as it will replace my Alfa

[TheRainMaker]

blueg33 said:

So which ev for real 300 miles range in winter that’s not Tesla or Polestar.

You need to ensure you get the Gen 2 Polestar 2 long-range single motor, as the Gen 1 twin motor will not do 300 miles (nowhere close).

Mine is more like 200.

[blueg33]

TheRainMaker said:

blueg33 said:

So which ev for real 300 miles range in winter that’s not Tesla or Polestar.

You need to ensure you get the Gen 2 Polestar 2 long-range single motor, as the Gen 1 twin motor will not do 300 miles (nowhere close).

Mine is more like 200.

Not a Polestar. Found it very uncomfortable

[TheRainMaker]

blueg33 said:

TheRainMaker said:

blueg33 said:

So which ev for real 300 miles range in winter that’s not Tesla or Polestar.

You need to ensure you get the Gen 2 Polestar 2 long-range single motor, as the Gen 1 twin motor will not do 300 miles (nowhere close).

Mine is more like 200.

Not a Polestar. Found it very uncomfortable

Fair enough, I thought you were asking what other EVs could also do 300 miles as it was established the Polestar and Tesla could

[JNW1]

blueg33 said:

Not a Polestar. Found it very uncomfortable

Out of interest why was that - seats, ride quality or both?

[raspy]

blueg33 said:

So which ev for real 300 miles range in winter that’s not Tesla or Polestar. I quite like the Ioniq5 I tested but it’s not 300 mile real range.

BMW is also out

I would like something sporty as it will replace my Alfa

BMW iX50 would give you 300 mile real range on motorway

[JNW1]

TheRainMaker said:

You need to ensure you get the Gen 2 Polestar 2 long-range single motor, as the Gen 1 twin motor will not do 300 miles (nowhere close).

Mine is more like 200.

Yes, if I understand the published figures correctly the Gen 1 twin motor is only claimed to do about 300 miles which will presumably translate into a fair bit less in winter? That said 200 miles seems a fair old drop although that still wouldn't be an issue for me on the typical daily mileage I do nowadays; however, the lack of comfort to which blueg33 referred certainly could be an issue though!

[blueg33]

JNW1 said:

blueg33 said:

Not a Polestar. Found it very uncomfortable

Out of interest why was that - seats, ride quality or both?

Seats. We have a new Volvo and they have tweaked the seats for the Polestar just enough to ruin them. The head rest is fixed and pushes your head forward at an uncomfortable angle. It may be ok for other but it gave both me and my wife neck ache very quickly.

A shame because the seats in the Volvo are fantastic

[blueg33]

raspy said:

blueg33 said:

So which ev for real 300 miles range in winter that’s not Tesla or Polestar. I quite like the Ioniq5 I tested but it’s not 300 mile real range.

BMW is also out

I would like something sporty as it will replace my Alfa

BMW iX50 would give you 300 mile real range on motorway

SWMBO doesn't like BMW's

[JNW1]

blueg33 said:

JNW1 said:

blueg33 said:

Not a Polestar. Found it very uncomfortable

Out of interest why was that - seats, ride quality or both?

Seats. We have a new Volvo and they have tweaked the seats for the Polestar just enough to ruin them. The head rest is fixed and pushes your head forward at an uncomfortable angle. It may be ok for other but it gave both me and my wife neck ache very quickly.

A shame because the seats in the Volvo are fantastic

Yes, I've always found Volvo seats to be one of the most comfortable available so it's really disappointing if they've managed to spoil them in the Polestar. But as you say, not everyone might find them as bad as you and your wife did so I think I'll keep the Polestar on my list to look at - as with a number of EV's there seems to be some decent second-hand buys around at the moment!