Petrol motorcycle sales banned from 2040

[modellista]

SteveKTMer said:

modellista said:

SteveKTMer said:

modellista said:

No, seriously, please can you explain what a "climate emergency" actually is?

It's not a difficult term to understand. https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/

And yet that link doesn't mention "climate emergency" at all.

Just shows you haven't read it, so I was right not to do your googling for you, it would have been a waste of time. If you're not capable of reading I suggest you sit down and carry on with whatever else you were doing.

Well I have to say you've not won me over with your supercilious attitude and inability to explain anything. If you believe in the "climate emergency", which I take from your comments you do, you'll need to get better at winning people over when the bans of things like selling normal cars and bikes actually start to happen (if they ever do), and the quality of life to which we have become accustomed appears under serious threat.

I'm still waiting for someone to put their big boy pants on and explain what a "climate emergency" is.

[OutInTheShed]

modellista said:

Well I have to say you've not won me over with your supercilious attitude and inability to explain anything. If you believe in the "climate emergency", which I take from your comments you do, you'll need to get better at winning people over when the bans of things like selling normal cars and bikes actually start to happen (if they ever do), and the quality of life to which we have become accustomed appears under serious threat.

I'm still waiting for someone to put their big boy pants on and explain what a "climate emergency" is.

People who understand the basics of global warming really don't need to bother trying to explain it to people like you.
It's been debated to death elsewhere, and nobody in their right mind is going pander to you by repeating it all here for someone too ignorant to look for themselves.

The people in charge believe in MMGW, so they really don't need to 'get better at winning people over', because what you think doesn't matter.
Science is not a democracy,
The decisions have mostly been made, we just have to wait and see what happens now.

[Forester1965]

OutInTheShed said:

The people in charge believe in MMGW, so they really don't need to 'get better at winning people over', because what you think doesn't matter.
Science is not a democracy,
The decisions have mostly been made, we just have to wait and see what happens now.

Was it science or democracy that caused Sunak to delay the ban in ICE sales?

[OutInTheShed]

Forester1965 said:

Was it science or democracy that caused Sunak to delay the ban in ICE sales?

No.

[moanthebairns]

OutInTheShed said:

modellista said:

Well I have to say you've not won me over with your supercilious attitude and inability to explain anything. If you believe in the "climate emergency", which I take from your comments you do, you'll need to get better at winning people over when the bans of things like selling normal cars and bikes actually start to happen (if they ever do), and the quality of life to which we have become accustomed appears under serious threat.

I'm still waiting for someone to put their big boy pants on and explain what a "climate emergency" is.

People who understand the basics of global warming really don't need to bother trying to explain it to people like you.
It's been debated to death elsewhere, and nobody in their right mind is going pander to you by repeating it all here for someone too ignorant to look for themselves.

The people in charge believe in MMGW, so they really don't need to 'get better at winning people over', because what you think doesn't matter.
Science is not a democracy,
The decisions have mostly been made, we just have to wait and see what happens now.

What's the break even point of an electric bike? For a car depending on what country it's charged in, it can be as much as 70-80k before carbon parity. The biggest bike markets tend to be in underdeveloped countries that still heavily rely upon coal powered electricity. This is the point at which I struggle to understand wtf the actual plan is that would result in tangible benefits to the environment and really question if battery power vehicles are the mini disc of the future. It seems to be sold as the solution to the guy in the street, do you're bit for the environment, oh and btw it's going to cost you a fking arm and a leg to join this virtue signalling group. Don't question the science behind making the change to electric vehicles nor the complexity on the energy sector, nor the conditions for the workers mining themselves to death for your batteries.

It's funny you never hear about the banning of private jets, or targeting the 1% in society that cause the most pollution.

[OutInTheShed]

If you want to question the science and the politics, it's much better to do so in an appropriate forum instead of just ill informed ranting in a motorbike sub-forum.
There are more urgent problems for bikes being on the road than a lack of new petrol bikes in 16 years' time.
Noise and emissions other than CO2 will have a big effect much sooner.
As cars get cleaner and quieter, the noisy twunts with aftemarket exhausts will increasingly set the public against bikes.

[moanthebairns]

OutInTheShed said:

If you want to question the science and the politics, it's much better to do so in an appropriate forum instead of just ill informed ranting in a motorbike sub-forum.
There are more urgent problems for bikes being on the road than a lack of new petrol bikes in 16 years' time.
Noise and emissions other than CO2 will have a big effect much sooner.
As cars get cleaner and quieter, the noisy twunts with aftemarket exhausts will increasingly set the public against bikes.

I could but it was 4 or 5 in the morning and I couldn't sleep, I replied just off the cuff, truth be told I cannot be fked with it. Although at the risk of fanning the flames you don't seem to offer anything of value in your responses, and I mean that in the best possible way.

As for aftermarket exhausts, I've just bought two euro 5 bikes with standard end cans on them where you cannot remove the baffle and they sound fking pish. fk the public, I'm fitting two aftermarket end cans. Tasteful mind you, a nice Arrow and an Akrapovic.

[Ken_Code]

moanthebairns said:

I could but it was 4 or 5 in the morning and I couldn't sleep, I replied just off the cuff, truth be told I cannot be fked with it. Although at the risk of fanning the flames you don't seem to offer anything of value in your responses, and I mean that in the best possible way.

As for aftermarket exhausts, I've just bought two euro 5 bikes with standard end cans on them where you cannot remove the baffle and they sound fking pish. fk the public, I'm fitting two aftermarket end cans. Tasteful mind you, a nice Arrow and an Akrapovic.

No-one is offering you “anything of value” as they think that you must be pretending to be as thick as your posts on here make you.

You probably think you are being funny, but it’s coming across as unpleasant.

[moanthebairns]

Ken_Code said:

moanthebairns said:

I could but it was 4 or 5 in the morning and I couldn't sleep, I replied just off the cuff, truth be told I cannot be fked with it. Although at the risk of fanning the flames you don't seem to offer anything of value in your responses, and I mean that in the best possible way.

As for aftermarket exhausts, I've just bought two euro 5 bikes with standard end cans on them where you cannot remove the baffle and they sound fking pish. fk the public, I'm fitting two aftermarket end cans. Tasteful mind you, a nice Arrow and an Akrapovic.

No-one is offering you “anything of value” as they think that you must be pretending to be as thick as your posts on here make you.

You probably think you are being funny, but it’s coming across as unpleasant.

You've been posting on PH for 3 months, you couldn't comprehend the amount of pish I've spoken on here. However, unpleasant I am never.

[black-k1]

Forester1965 said:

Was it science or democracy that caused Sunak to delay the ban in ICE sales?

Or sort sighted economics?

[black-k1]

OutInTheShed said:

If you want to question the science and the politics, it's much better to do so in an appropriate forum instead of just ill informed ranting in a motorbike sub-forum.

100% The key point is that the vast majority of people who have a much better understanding of this than most PH subscribers are in agreement there is an issue. the only depate is abould how urgent that issue is and how quickly things need to be implemented to address the issue.

OutInTheShed said:

There are more urgent problems for bikes being on the road than a lack of new petrol bikes in 16 years' time.
Noise and emissions other than CO2 will have a big effect much sooner.
As cars get cleaner and quieter, the noisy twunts with aftemarket exhausts will increasingly set the public against bikes.

Again 100%. Selfish aholes will spoil it for the rest of us long before bans on ICE will take effect. We already have areas of the Alps and Pyrenees where bikes are restricted or banned. Only recently, attempts to ban motorcycles in parts of Bavaria were only narrowly overturned. And all of this is due to noise.

Before anyone comes back to tell me that it's not just bikes that are unreasonably loud, I know, but, as a group, we are hugely over represented by selfishly loud pricks who are happy to fk it up for everyone else. Just because there are other loud vehicles is not justification to be a complete . The "powers that be" are not going to ban cars lorries or busses, even if some are noisy, but they've already shown they are happy to ban ALL motorcycles because of the selfish dheads.

[moanthebairns]

black-k1 said:

OutInTheShed said:

If you want to question the science and the politics, it's much better to do so in an appropriate forum instead of just ill informed ranting in a motorbike sub-forum.

100% The key point is that the vast majority of people who have a much better understanding of this than most PH subscribers are in agreement there is an issue. the only depate is abould how urgent that issue is and how quickly things need to be implemented to address the issue.

OutInTheShed said:

There are more urgent problems for bikes being on the road than a lack of new petrol bikes in 16 years' time.
Noise and emissions other than CO2 will have a big effect much sooner.
As cars get cleaner and quieter, the noisy twunts with aftemarket exhausts will increasingly set the public against bikes.

Again 100%. Selfish aholes will spoil it for the rest of us long before bans on ICE will take effect. We already have areas of the Alps and Pyrenees where bikes are restricted or banned. Only recently, attempts to ban motorcycles in parts of Bavaria were only narrowly overturned. And all of this is due to noise.

Before anyone comes back to tell me that it's not just bikes that are unreasonably loud, I know, but, as a group, we are hugely over represented by selfishly loud pricks who are happy to fk it up for everyone else. Just because there are other loud vehicles is not justification to be a complete . The "powers that be" are not going to ban cars lorries or busses, even if some are noisy, but they've already shown they are happy to ban ALL motorcycles because of the selfish dheads.

Have you not got an aftermarket on your H2?

[black-k1]

moanthebairns said:

Have you not got an aftermarket on your H2?

No, it's the standard Akra that comes as part of the Kawasaki Performance package.

ETA - with the baffles still in!

[moanthebairns]

black-k1 said:

moanthebairns said:

Have you not got an aftermarket on your H2?

No, it's the standard Akra that comes as part of the Kawasaki Performance package.

ETA - with the baffles still in!

So the fixed baffles like the akras I've been looking at for the KTM which they offer. I'm not trying to be arse here but is there a notable difference in sound and increase in dB level.

[black-k1]

moanthebairns said:

black-k1 said:

moanthebairns said:

Have you not got an aftermarket on your H2?

No, it's the standard Akra that comes as part of the Kawasaki Performance package.

ETA - with the baffles still in!

So the fixed baffles like the akras I've been looking at for the KTM which they offer. I'm not trying to be arse here but is there a notable difference in sound and increase in dB level.

I've not even looked to see if the baffles are fixed or not as I have no intention of removing them. While the sound is different to the Kawasaki can, the Akra is a manufacturer, not dealer, supplied part so will be subject to all the rules and regulations thus will be required to meet the noise test requirements as per any other new bike. I've not had it noise tested but it the combination of the V5, the fact that the exhaust had not been interfered with (Cat still in place) and the assessment of the Mk1 ear-drum meant that the Austrian police who stopped myself and a fellow Old Git last year didn't feel the need to use their noise meter before they let us ride the pass.

[SteveKTMer]

modellista said:

SteveKTMer said:

modellista said:

SteveKTMer said:

modellista said:

No, seriously, please can you explain what a "climate emergency" actually is?

It's not a difficult term to understand. https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/

And yet that link doesn't mention "climate emergency" at all.

Just shows you haven't read it, so I was right not to do your googling for you, it would have been a waste of time. If you're not capable of reading I suggest you sit down and carry on with whatever else you were doing.

Well I have to say you've not won me over with your supercilious attitude and inability to explain anything. If you believe in the "climate emergency", which I take from your comments you do, you'll need to get better at winning people over when the bans of things like selling normal cars and bikes actually start to happen (if they ever do), and the quality of life to which we have become accustomed appears under serious threat.

I'm still waiting for someone to put their big boy pants on and explain what a "climate emergency" is.

I'm not trying to win anybody over, like most things, you're much better coming to an understanding yourself, but simply playing dumb and saying you don't understand a term that's been used in science and the press for a number of years now, is just nonsense and nobody is going to waste their time explaining it to you. Doesn't matter if you believe the science or not, the vocabulary around it isn't difficult. Maybe you need some "big boy pants", whatever they might be ?

[Bob_Defly]

Ken_Code said:

moanthebairns said:

I could but it was 4 or 5 in the morning and I couldn't sleep, I replied just off the cuff, truth be told I cannot be fked with it. Although at the risk of fanning the flames you don't seem to offer anything of value in your responses, and I mean that in the best possible way.

As for aftermarket exhausts, I've just bought two euro 5 bikes with standard end cans on them where you cannot remove the baffle and they sound fking pish. fk the public, I'm fitting two aftermarket end cans. Tasteful mind you, a nice Arrow and an Akrapovic.

No-one is offering you “anything of value” as they think that you must be pretending to be as thick as your posts on here make you.

You probably think you are being funny, but it’s coming across as unpleasant.

Wind ya neck in Ken.

[KTMsm]

moanthebairns said:

What's the break even point of an electric bike?

Don't question the science behind making the change to electric vehicles nor the complexity on the energy sector, nor the conditions for the workers mining themselves to death for your batteries.

It's funny you never hear about the banning of private jets, or targeting the 1% in society that cause the most pollution.

EXACTLY !

I don't mind losing out if it's the best way to help but the money would be far better spent bringing the rest of the world up to our current standards and reducing international travel etc

If we all got a CO2 allowance, I'd rather give up my holiday in the sun than my petrol motorcycle

[Ken_Code]

Bob_Defly said:

Wind ya neck in Ken.

There’s a button to report my posts if you have a problem with any.

I think my response is absolutely fine.

[svracers]

None of this will happen... the uk and scottish govt have just scrapped all climate targets. Usual scaremongering. I have 3 petrol sportsbikes and will never buy a zanussi bike sorry dont interest me. Just like horrendous ev cars