Why so high?

[ratrod 2]

newsatten said:

Got my Pontiac Historical papers
The car was supplied to a dealer in Manhattan on the 19th May 1970,
So very much East Side!!!
All decodes as per the cowl and vin tags,
Another piece in the jigsaw!

Fantastic news , I love a no stories car , will give you the conferdence to lavish time and money into your restoration,

At least you won't need to go to the gym by the looks of your photo's

[aeropilot]

newsatten said:

Got my Pontiac Historical papers
The car was supplied to a dealer in Manhattan on the 19th May 1970,
So very much East Side!!!

Must have not seen a lot of winter use then when it was new, as it would be rotten as a pear by now, given the snow/salt roads that Manhatten is subjected to in winter time.

[newsatten]

ratrod 2 said:

newsatten said:

Got my Pontiac Historical papers
The car was supplied to a dealer in Manhattan on the 19th May 1970,
So very much East Side!!!
All decodes as per the cowl and vin tags,
Another piece in the jigsaw!

Fantastic news , I love a no stories car , will give you the conferdence to lavish time and money into your restoration,

At least you won't need to go to the gym by the looks of your photo's

Fascinating stuff this, its one of 189 and probably of of less than 10 as it was specc'ed with custom Black trim, and the very very expensive Stereo 8 track console mounted tape player! Grave Yard Cars would be wetting themselves if it was a Mope!
4 Bolt Block, 10.5 CR, rated at 345HP, but according to the gurus this is more likely to be well over 400...................
And something i wasn't aware of the holy grail is a 1970 SD, just 88 were made..........

[newsatten]

aeropilot said:

newsatten said:

Got my Pontiac Historical papers
The car was supplied to a dealer in Manhattan on the 19th May 1970,
So very much East Side!!!

Must have not seen a lot of winter use then when it was new, as it would be rotten as a pear by now, given the snow/salt roads that Manhatten is subjected to in winter time.

Yep did wonder why New York ?
I’ll probably never know but the old girl had survived amazingly well,
Obviously being off road and reasonably dry storage has undoubtedly helped!
What I’ve uncovered so far is most of a damaged was done by the numpty who repainted it !
But it’s early days still time to uncover some horrors!
I’ve a feel for these things and I’m fairly confident I don’t think I’m going to!
The cars is so unmolested it shouts original were ever I look!
Hope I don’t regret that thought!

If it does turn out as good as I’m hoping for,
I could get away with just a hood , may even be able too repair that!
Then it would leave me with a very handy budget for seriously up rating the mill,
600 Gee’ges would be nice!

Oh and according to the build sheet it’s a M21 tranny ,

[aeropilot]

newsatten said:

Oh and according to the build sheet it’s a M21 tranny ,

M21 was the default 4-speed for 70.5 T/A....M22 wasn't on the option list IIRC.

M22 then became default transmission for following year, in '71 when they went to the 455.

[aeropilot]

newsatten said:

And something i wasn't aware of the holy grail is a 1970 SD, just 88 were made..........

Those are the LS1 Ram Air IV cars.

[LeighW]

newsatten said:

ratrod 2 said:

newsatten said:

Got my Pontiac Historical papers
The car was supplied to a dealer in Manhattan on the 19th May 1970,
So very much East Side!!!
All decodes as per the cowl and vin tags,
Another piece in the jigsaw!

Fantastic news , I love a no stories car , will give you the conferdence to lavish time and money into your restoration,

At least you won't need to go to the gym by the looks of your photo's

Fascinating stuff this, its one of 189 and probably of of less than 10 as it was specc'ed with custom Black trim, and the very very expensive Stereo 8 track console mounted tape player! Grave Yard Cars would be wetting themselves if it was a Mope!
4 Bolt Block, 10.5 CR, rated at 345HP, but according to the gurus this is more likely to be well over 400...................
And something i wasn't aware of the holy grail is a 1970 SD, just 88 were made..........

Really interesting stuff NaT, looks like you've dropped on a real gem! My Firebird is a North East car (Springfield PA), it's had sills and rear quarters but has otherwise survived well considering the age and where it's from, the original boot floor and floors are rock solid. Shame the original motor is gone though.

[ratrod 2]

LeighW said:

Really interesting stuff NaT, looks like you've dropped on a real gem! My Firebird is a North East car (Springfield PA), it's had sills and rear quarters but has otherwise survived well considering the age and where it's from, the original boot floor and floors are rock solid. Shame the original motor is gone though.

I bought a bandit Trans Am with a Chevy 350 fitted ,think it was a 77 from memory, I didn't care nor did the guy i sold it to,

At the prices at the time it mattered less than now with the high prices being asked,

The guy was so nervous about buying it as was his first yank but more that that he couldn't

afford to buy it outright without selling his much loved modified TR6 which i ended up taking off him

as i quite fancied another British sports car.

Spoke to him when he got back as i left my camera in the car and i asked was there any doubts about buying it and he

was so excited ,he said he felt like a film star on the way home after a longer than usual petrol stop because everyone wanted to takr

photo's and talk to him, then being filmed on the motorway by overtaking cars ,something that never happened in the TR6,

He couldn't stop thanking me for selling him the car which was lovely,

[roscobbc]

This guy (Cliff) has owned (and built) some nice cars historically - this could be the third 'breadvan' he's built.......nice size engine (532 cu in)......wonder what output is?
eBay item number:326118376482

[LeighW]

ratrod 2 said:

I bought a bandit Trans Am with a Chevy 350 fitted ,think it was a 77 from memory, I didn't care nor did the guy i sold it to,

At the prices at the time it mattered less than now with the high prices being asked,

The guy was so nervous about buying it as was his first yank but more that that he couldn't

afford to buy it outright without selling his much loved modified TR6 which i ended up taking off him

as i quite fancied another British sports car.

Spoke to him when he got back as i left my camera in the car and i asked was there any doubts about buying it and he

was so excited ,he said he felt like a film star on the way home after a longer than usual petrol stop because everyone wanted to takr

photo's and talk to him, then being filmed on the motorway by overtaking cars ,something that never happened in the TR6,

He couldn't stop thanking me for selling him the car which was lovely,

I suppose it doesn't matter too much, my car was never going to be one for the rivet counters anyway.

When I picked it up from near to Blackpool it was a 140 odd mile drive home, down the M6 to Stoke then across the A50 to home, talk about in at the deep end. I remember being chuffed that people were taking photos, but after a while I forgot that I was in something noticable and started looking at other drivers and wondering 'WTF is he staring at'?

I fancy a getting a bigger motorhome but that would really mean selling the Firebird as well as my camper, I get tempted but I know I'd regret it if I did.

That 74 TA 455 on ebay is looking decent value now at £24995, if that had been available when I was looking I'd have been in. Mind you, that was in '21 when we had the covid price sillyness, probably would have been over £30k then. Compare it to the prices being asked in the US:

https://www.streetsideclassics.com/vehicles/7834-a...

Edited by LeighW on Wednesday 8th May 21:09

[newsatten]

roscobbc said:

This guy (Cliff) has owned (and built) some nice cars historically - this could be the third 'breadvan' he's built.......nice size engine (532 cu in)......wonder what output is?
eBay item number:326118376482

Yes saw this a few days ago, should be a monster,
Huge motor , manual transmission and looking at the spec not particularly expensive, must have cost loads more the build !
In a dream scenario a mega motor etc In my project sounds lovely, but the reality is it’s just not worth the money and effort,
The reality is tons of traffic, road restrictions, speed limits
Blah blah, so I’ll almost certainly keep mine near to stock,
Fuel injection is a definite possibility,
Providing I could keep the induction all at the correct height,
Maybe upgrade cooling and charging, but that’s it,
I’ll almost certainly keep it’s factory type cast exhaust manifolds,
But got plenty of time for everything to change!!!

[aeropilot]

newsatten said:

In a dream scenario a mega motor etc In my project sounds lovely, but the reality is it’s just not worth the money and effort,
The reality is tons of traffic, road restrictions, speed limits
Blah blah, so I’ll almost certainly keep mine near to stock,
Fuel injection is a definite possibility,
Providing I could keep the induction all at the correct height,
Maybe upgrade cooling and charging, but that’s it,
I’ll almost certainly keep it’s factory type cast exhaust manifolds,
But got plenty of time for everything to change!!!

Very sensible, as its a Pontiac, not a Chevy, and if you chuck random off-the-shelf catalogue bits at it, you'll end up with an empty wallet and a slower car....!

Maybe replace the Q-jet with EFI if you can get one that fits the stock intake, as Q-jets are a great carb, but not if a monkey that doesn't know how they work has been fiddling with it and messed it up....

I'd be inclined to keep it all as Pontiac designed it, if the Q-jet hasn't been buggered up, and its all good and strong and just upgrade cooling system.

[roscobbc]

On the subject of FI -
I see that FITech have introduced a MPI version of their supposed plug 'n' play injection system, with once again the ECU built in to the 'air' valve.
Wonder how well that will do on the market. Edelbrocks ProFlo system has been on the market for several years, comapring with other brands like Holley its very complete and (in the USA anyway) competitively priced.........but doesn't seem to have made a huge impact on the market.
https://fitechefi.com/product/30202-fitech-go-port...
https://www.edelbrock.com/edelbrock-pro-flo-4-efi-...

[newsatten]

roscobbc said:

On the subject of FI -
I see that FITech have introduced a MPI version of their supposed plug 'n' play injection system, with once again the ECU built in to the 'air' valve.
Wonder how well that will do on the market. Edelbrocks ProFlo system has been on the market for several years, comapring with other brands like Holley its very complete and (in the USA anyway) competitively priced.........but doesn't seem to have made a huge impact on the market.
https://fitechefi.com/product/30202-fitech-go-port...
https://www.edelbrock.com/edelbrock-pro-flo-4-efi-...

The whole sealed fuel system is what attracts me,
No or almost zero petrol smell, and I guess slightly less fussy running hot or cold?
Obviously not cheap and probably a headache getting the deck height absolutely spot on so the shaker sits perfectly in it’s original position,

I’ll get a new fuel tank so that won’t cost me to much more for a PI tank, probably go stainless, I’ve got a complete stainless fuel pipe system already, bit flow and return/breather etc,
And a full mandrel bent stainless brake pipe kit
Which came with the car,
I guess with modern fuels almost certainly getting more bio the Pi route could be future proofing to some degree??
Just another thing to think about!!

[aeropilot]

newsatten said:

I guess with modern fuels almost certainly getting more bio the Pi route could be future proofing to some degree??
Just another thing to think about!!

Indeed, this is very much a thought given the eth content in fuels, and if you are going new tank anyway, then going EFI is a potential sensible route.
Probably a good idea to now prepare for it, with new tank/lines and stuff, and then maybe later convert to EFI knowing that you've done the prep work regarding tank and lines etc already.

I'm sure there must be a bull-nose T/A forum in USA that someone has done a EFI conversion on a 70-73 already with regard to shaker fitment etc...?

[Harry Flashman]

aeropilot said:

newsatten said:

I guess with modern fuels almost certainly getting more bio the Pi route could be future proofing to some degree??
Just another thing to think about!!

Indeed, this is very much a thought given the eth content in fuels, and if you are going new tank anyway, then going EFI is a potential sensible route.
Probably a good idea to now prepare for it, with new tank/lines and stuff, and then maybe later convert to EFI knowing that you've done the prep work regarding tank and lines etc already.

I'm sure there must be a bull-nose T/A forum in USA that someone has done a EFI conversion on a 70-73 already with regard to shaker fitment etc...?

Following with interest as I may do this mod on my car too.

[roscobbc]

Have a car buddy who has owned his TA for ever. Has a centrifugal Procharger type blower AND some form of no-name FI too.....

[aeropilot]

newsatten said:

roscobbc said:

On the subject of FI -
I see that FITech have introduced a MPI version of their supposed plug 'n' play injection system, with once again the ECU built in to the 'air' valve.
Wonder how well that will do on the market. Edelbrocks ProFlo system has been on the market for several years, comapring with other brands like Holley its very complete and (in the USA anyway) competitively priced.........but doesn't seem to have made a huge impact on the market.
https://fitechefi.com/product/30202-fitech-go-port...
https://www.edelbrock.com/edelbrock-pro-flo-4-efi-...

The whole sealed fuel system is what attracts me,
No or almost zero petrol smell, and I guess slightly less fussy running hot or cold?
Obviously not cheap and probably a headache getting the deck height absolutely spot on so the shaker sits perfectly in it’s original position,

I’ll get a new fuel tank so that won’t cost me to much more for a PI tank, probably go stainless, I’ve got a complete stainless fuel pipe system already, bit flow and return/breather etc,
And a full mandrel bent stainless brake pipe kit
Which came with the car,
I guess with modern fuels almost certainly getting more bio the Pi route could be future proofing to some degree??
Just another thing to think about!!

Holley claim this version of their sniper is a direct fit replacement for a Q-Jet in terms of air cleaner fit (so assume would work with the shaker)

Not cheap.....!

https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/fuel_...

Might need compatible fuel tank and other gubbins as well though.....?

https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/fuel_...

[newsatten]

PTFB make these, dropped air filter housing for when the induction system is higher than stock...........

[newsatten]

Absolutely tons of stuff available for F Body's
Trick Suspensions, Chassis and Body Stiffeners, glittery bricks everywhere