Clarkson’s Farm
Discussion
FiF said:
A significant amount of the argument completely ignores that Jeremy, and by the way let's not forget Andy Wilman's hand in all this, has made a programme that is liked by the people who are actually involved in the activity on which the programme is mainly focused and who recognise and approve of the issues raised. Yet it's also liked by people who don't know diddley squat about farming but it gets them thinking about some of the issues and difficulties of getting food on the table.
A programme which is by far the most watched Amazon Prime show in the UK, by far. Yes a lot of it is contrived, Jeremy continues to play his persona and it's not typical of many / most farms. Harry's farm and his position isn't typical of many farms either but he's trying to do a similar thing but not contrived and very much low key.
In the same breath there is the BBC's major farming / country show, CountryFile which frankly is doing a disservice.
It's very telling that even with all the dicking about it's still a more accurate depiction of farming than Countryfile A programme which is by far the most watched Amazon Prime show in the UK, by far. Yes a lot of it is contrived, Jeremy continues to play his persona and it's not typical of many / most farms. Harry's farm and his position isn't typical of many farms either but he's trying to do a similar thing but not contrived and very much low key.
In the same breath there is the BBC's major farming / country show, CountryFile which frankly is doing a disservice.
Countryfile stopped being about farming many years ago. Its centred very loosely around country activities...but nobody really knows because nobody watches it any more! It's just another piece of crap mainstream TV that people only watch because they don't have any other alternative. Maybe.
This series of Clarksons Farm is more 'Top Gear on the farm' than the last two for sure, but it does still show the trials and tribulations of farming very well.
The Blackberry harvesting, dam building, and Hovercraft bits were Top Gear. Daft, silly,
Hilarious.
Certainly not complaining though...Clarkson is still very entertaining and funny.
This series of Clarksons Farm is more 'Top Gear on the farm' than the last two for sure, but it does still show the trials and tribulations of farming very well.
The Blackberry harvesting, dam building, and Hovercraft bits were Top Gear. Daft, silly,
Hilarious.
Certainly not complaining though...Clarkson is still very entertaining and funny.
StevieBee said:
2 GKC said:
KTF said:
It might not be scripted but I would suggest that some scenes are 'made for TV'.
It’s all made for TV. I'm not sure why anything with Clarkson in it get's singled-out for criticism on this.
So it’s natural that people will start to shoot holes through it. On the one hand he is championing how hard it is to be farmer while running his farm like an idiot to make a point.
Especially when he is twisting his figures to look worse and ignoring the considerable support farmers get.
ntiz said:
StevieBee said:
2 GKC said:
KTF said:
It might not be scripted but I would suggest that some scenes are 'made for TV'.
It’s all made for TV. I'm not sure why anything with Clarkson in it get's singled-out for criticism on this.
So it’s natural that people will start to shoot holes through it. On the one hand he is championing how hard it is to be farmer while running his farm like an idiot to make a point.
Especially when he is twisting his figures to look worse and ignoring the considerable support farmers get.
Janluke said:
FiF said:
A significant amount of the argument completely ignores that Jeremy, and by the way let's not forget Andy Wilman's hand in all this, has made a programme that is liked by the people who are actually involved in the activity on which the programme is mainly focused and who recognise and approve of the issues raised. Yet it's also liked by people who don't know diddley squat about farming but it gets them thinking about some of the issues and difficulties of getting food on the table.
A programme which is by far the most watched Amazon Prime show in the UK, by far. Yes a lot of it is contrived, Jeremy continues to play his persona and it's not typical of many / most farms. Harry's farm and his position isn't typical of many farms either but he's trying to do a similar thing but not contrived and very much low key.
In the same breath there is the BBC's major farming / country show, CountryFile which frankly is doing a disservice.
It's very telling that even with all the dicking about it's still a more accurate depiction of farming than Countryfile A programme which is by far the most watched Amazon Prime show in the UK, by far. Yes a lot of it is contrived, Jeremy continues to play his persona and it's not typical of many / most farms. Harry's farm and his position isn't typical of many farms either but he's trying to do a similar thing but not contrived and very much low key.
In the same breath there is the BBC's major farming / country show, CountryFile which frankly is doing a disservice.
48k said:
He's not twisting anything, him and Charlie are very clear about it. See season 1 episode 8 from 45 minutes in where Charlie sits down to go through the figures with him for their first year (the "144 pounds profit" conversation)
You'll never meet a poor farmer. I think what they're doing well is highlighting how the government have things upside down with the help in the wrong places. Cash flow and productivity is tough but there are tax breaks and other assistance in areas its not so needed.romft123 said:
Janluke said:
FiF said:
A significant amount of the argument completely ignores that Jeremy, and by the way let's not forget Andy Wilman's hand in all this, has made a programme that is liked by the people who are actually involved in the activity on which the programme is mainly focused and who recognise and approve of the issues raised. Yet it's also liked by people who don't know diddley squat about farming but it gets them thinking about some of the issues and difficulties of getting food on the table.
A programme which is by far the most watched Amazon Prime show in the UK, by far. Yes a lot of it is contrived, Jeremy continues to play his persona and it's not typical of many / most farms. Harry's farm and his position isn't typical of many farms either but he's trying to do a similar thing but not contrived and very much low key.
In the same breath there is the BBC's major farming / country show, CountryFile which frankly is doing a disservice.
It's very telling that even with all the dicking about it's still a more accurate depiction of farming than Countryfile A programme which is by far the most watched Amazon Prime show in the UK, by far. Yes a lot of it is contrived, Jeremy continues to play his persona and it's not typical of many / most farms. Harry's farm and his position isn't typical of many farms either but he's trying to do a similar thing but not contrived and very much low key.
In the same breath there is the BBC's major farming / country show, CountryFile which frankly is doing a disservice.
48k said:
He's not twisting anything, him and Charlie are very clear about it. See season 1 episode 8 from 45 minutes in where Charlie sits down to go through the figures with him for their first year (the "144 pounds profit" conversation)
Oh really. If you listen carefully that figure is having taken off al the machinery he bought to do it. That’s not how you work out profit. Your machinery are assets that go on your balance sheet not taken off your profit and loss accounts. So real profit 80k. Anyone with basic knowledge of running a company knows this.
Notice how he hasn’t discussed the figures for the last few seasons since? That’s because he would have to say he actually made quite a lot of money as he can’t hide behind the machine cost.
Also fails to mention as he is a farm, which means that big house is part of it. The running of the house all go through the farm. That includes up keep, bills, even his dogs. All pre income tax, no VAT and put against his corporation tax, so that he can post minimum profit this less to be taxed on.
Why do you think he bought a farm in the first place a long with Mr Dyson, Lord Bamford etc
Edited by ntiz on Wednesday 8th May 10:29
LimmerickLad said:
romft123 said:
Janluke said:
FiF said:
A significant amount of the argument completely ignores that Jeremy, and by the way let's not forget Andy Wilman's hand in all this, has made a programme that is liked by the people who are actually involved in the activity on which the programme is mainly focused and who recognise and approve of the issues raised. Yet it's also liked by people who don't know diddley squat about farming but it gets them thinking about some of the issues and difficulties of getting food on the table.
A programme which is by far the most watched Amazon Prime show in the UK, by far. Yes a lot of it is contrived, Jeremy continues to play his persona and it's not typical of many / most farms. Harry's farm and his position isn't typical of many farms either but he's trying to do a similar thing but not contrived and very much low key.
In the same breath there is the BBC's major farming / country show, CountryFile which frankly is doing a disservice.
It's very telling that even with all the dicking about it's still a more accurate depiction of farming than Countryfile A programme which is by far the most watched Amazon Prime show in the UK, by far. Yes a lot of it is contrived, Jeremy continues to play his persona and it's not typical of many / most farms. Harry's farm and his position isn't typical of many farms either but he's trying to do a similar thing but not contrived and very much low key.
In the same breath there is the BBC's major farming / country show, CountryFile which frankly is doing a disservice.
48k said:
He's not twisting anything, him and Charlie are very clear about it. See season 1 episode 8 from 45 minutes in where Charlie sits down to go through the figures with him for their first year (the "144 pounds profit" conversation)
I'd agree. That bit of the show was completely factual.Before Clarksons Farm I heard farmers complain about being hard up and dismissed it.
Now I understand that things *are* tight and more importantly what a gamble it is. It never occurred to me you could have a crop completely fail and get zero back from your hefty investment. (Obvious once you know.)
Mind you, I'm not sure what the solution is. Letting them build houses on their farms is something I'm totally opposed to and subsidies are never a good thing.
Massive tarrif on imported foods that can be grown here? Sounds like it would trigger a trade war.
BikeBikeBIke said:
FiF said:
It seems to me that there are planning conditions applied to Clarkson that aren't applied to, for example, our farm shop.
It's not your local farmshop. It's a merch outlet for a global TV series watched by millions.So yeah they close and it’s others that are in trouble. Clarkson will have his wealth and money from Amazon so can pretty much do what he wants for the entertainment. Now he has involved others though their livelihood is at risk.
ntiz said:
48k said:
He's not twisting anything, him and Charlie are very clear about it. See season 1 episode 8 from 45 minutes in where Charlie sits down to go through the figures with him for their first year (the "144 pounds profit" conversation)
Oh really. If you listen carefully that figure is having taken off al the machinery he bought to do it. That’s not how you work out profit. Your machinery are assets that go on your balance sheet not taken off your profit and loss accounts. So real profit 80k. Anyone with basic knowledge of running a company knows this.
Notice how he hasn’t discussed the figures for the last few seasons since? That’s because he would have to say he actually made quite a lot of money as he can’t hide behind the machine cost.
Also fails to mention as he is a farm, which means that big house is part of it. The running of the house all go through the farm. That includes up keep, bills, even his dogs. All pre income tax, no VAT and put against his corporation tax, so that he can post minimum profit this less to be taxed on.
Why do you think he bought a farm in the first place a long with Mr Dyson, Lord Bamford etc
Edited by ntiz on Wednesday 8th May 10:29
Farms are usually bought for inheritence tax efficiency purposes IMO.
Can’t we just agree that:
1) He’s doing a good job of showing all the hoops farmers have to go through, making their lives difficult?
2) The farm and farm shop directly support local businesses.
3) Yes, he is ducking about and has a multibillion dollar company and independent wealth behind him, but he is trying to do things properly.
4) The council are making his life difficult for no other reason then he is a famous person. They absolutely could let the restaurant, car park and pathways open, bringing locals and tourists, directly adding to the local economy. If it poses an issue for local folk, it could be managed via restricted opening times and supplemented with a shop outside of the village.
A lot of local folk and businesses rely on Clarkson’s farm. The council and even government are doing themselves no favours in being hostile. Restrictions are always possible but outright bans (on a path way?!?!) is stupid. They are being difficult just because it’s J.C
1) He’s doing a good job of showing all the hoops farmers have to go through, making their lives difficult?
2) The farm and farm shop directly support local businesses.
3) Yes, he is ducking about and has a multibillion dollar company and independent wealth behind him, but he is trying to do things properly.
4) The council are making his life difficult for no other reason then he is a famous person. They absolutely could let the restaurant, car park and pathways open, bringing locals and tourists, directly adding to the local economy. If it poses an issue for local folk, it could be managed via restricted opening times and supplemented with a shop outside of the village.
A lot of local folk and businesses rely on Clarkson’s farm. The council and even government are doing themselves no favours in being hostile. Restrictions are always possible but outright bans (on a path way?!?!) is stupid. They are being difficult just because it’s J.C
BikeBikeBIke said:
48k said:
He's not twisting anything, him and Charlie are very clear about it. See season 1 episode 8 from 45 minutes in where Charlie sits down to go through the figures with him for their first year (the "144 pounds profit" conversation)
I'd agree. That bit of the show was completely factual.Before Clarksons Farm I heard farmers complain about being hard up and dismissed it.
Now I understand that things *are* tight and more importantly what a gamble it is. It never occurred to me you could have a crop completely fail and get zero back from your hefty investment. (Obvious once you know.)
Mind you, I'm not sure what the solution is. Letting them build houses on their farms is something I'm totally opposed to and subsidies are never a good thing.
Massive tarrif on imported foods that can be grown here? Sounds like it would trigger a trade war.
KTF said:
It might not be scripted but I would suggest that some scenes are 'made for TV'. Such as dragging the bramble picking machine along the wall or the nonsense with the hovercraft.
Breeding pigs rather than raising them from piglets seemed a TV decision so he could get newborn piglets on the show. Don't get me wrong it did make great TV but it would've been much easier to buy piglets in the Spring and feed/water/home them for 6 months. One of the farming channels on YouTube I watch (Gold Shaw Farm, it's a big small holding raising geese, chickens and cattle rather than a farm) did exactly this feeding his pigs spent brewer's grains from a local brewery.Wouldn't make for a very interesting show though - here's some pigs, here they are a bit bigger, here they are a bit bigger, here are some sausages.
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