Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister

[Unreal]

Rivenink said:

Unreal said:

Condi said:

Unreal said:

I think he'd be far better concentrating on a Project Fear type policy regarding what havoc Labour policies would cause than continuing on his present path over over promising and under delivering. Covid proved how fear can be used to motivate, however much some academics would like us to believe it doesn't.

Is this satire?

Or is he praying people forget Boris - lied to everyone, even himself, had parties in Downing Street, wasted money during Covid, removed almost everyone in the Party who disagreed with his version of Brexit, gave Honours to all of his mates including the 27 year old blond assistant? Or maybe Truss, who lasted 49 (42?) days in office, and caused so much havoc the BoE had to intervene and inject liquidity into the pensions system, also caused everyone's mortgages to go up.

Project fear? The evidence is there. The national debt is 50% higher today than it was when they left the note that "the money has gone". Taxes are higher. NHS waiting lists are longer. Councils are cutting services and going bust due to cuts in government funding. Project fear, its the Tory's we should be fearful of!

I note your selective quote. You omitted this bit:

I want to live in Utopia just like everyone else. I just want to know who is going to pay for it. Other than the non-doms, Labour policy on that seems to be a bit threadbare whereas the shopping list is nice and juicy.

Rishi needs to hammer home this disparity. I honestly don't think it will make any difference but the thread is about him so we can either close it now because we know he is going to California and Labour will have a 200 seat majority or we can continue to talk about the man and his options.

So do you want the thread to be limited to how awful Rishi and the Tories are, in which case we can close the thread or combine it with the Trump thread, or would it be ok with you to explore other options, such as how Rishi and the Tories may try and extricate themselves from the hole they're in?

The Tories are in the hole they are because its the natural consequence of the policies they've pursued. Policies that have, and are making the average Briton poorer, while making the very wealthy even wealthier.

People look back over the past 14 years, and they're realising that the Tories also have an uncosted plan to offer a Utopia. They just don't publish their nice and juicy shopping list, because it only contains caviar and champagne for the very rich.

We know that. Tories awful. Tories doomed. Rishi useless. Hooray/Grrr.

So what could turn it around or at least keep them in power? I think a war might do it. Something forcing SKS's resignation. An alliance with Reform. Rishi donating his millions to the Sally Army. VAT halved and the personal allowance raised to £20K.

I believe they're too far gone but i have enough life experience to know that talk is cheap, especially when I hear tales of lifelong Tories saying they'll vote Labour. I think there's plenty of life left in the election results yet.

[turbobloke]

Unreal said:

We know that. Tories awful. Tories doomed. Rishi useless. Hooray/Grrr.

Unreal said:

I think there's plenty of life left in the election results yet.

Other commentators including the Guardian's writers think there's at least some life.

[sunbeam alpine]

Unreal said:

...So what could turn it around or at least keep them in power? I think a war might do it...

What??? Seldom has a user name been more appropriate.

In PH terms UK governments of both colours have run an exotic car while spending the absolute on servicing and maintenance. The car has reached the point where nothing works properly, bits fall off regularly, and there's only a tiny budget to keep it running (after a fashion). There's certainly not the money to replace the car with a new equivalent.

I agree with something posted earlier in the thread - the UK has suffered from many years of under- or badly-targeted investment, under parties of all colours, and it has got so bad that it can't be solved without radical change, and probably needs several parliamentary terms to put it right.

Any party brave enough to present the electorate with the true picture would get absolutely slaughtered in an election.

ETA: I do wonder why Rishi even bothers to hang in there as PM - it's not like he needs the money or even the "prestige", unlike some of his predecessors.

Edited by sunbeam alpine on Tuesday 7th May 11:57

Edited by sunbeam alpine on Tuesday 7th May 11:58

[Killboy]

I think the Tories need to double down on Rwanda and culture wars. Loads of life left in that

[carlo996]

President Merkin said:

Mostly because there's always a small army of mouth breathers only too ready to be semi profesional empty vessels.

Was there a point you were trying to make, does poverty affect you in some way?

[turbobloke]

carlo996 said:

President Merkin said:

Mostly because there's always a small army of mouth breathers only too ready to be semi profesional empty vessels.

Was there a point you were trying to make, does poverty affect you in some way?

In addition, wasn't it a demonstration of irony?

[smn159]

Killboy said:

I think the Tories need to double down on Rwanda and culture wars. Loads of life left in that

We need a national debate on women's toilets - that's where Sunak should be focusing between now and the election

I'm beginning to think that Rishi's strategy team already have something else lined up after the election.

So how doing we turn this around guys?

Er... say something about Labour raising taxes and... er.... I dunno, something about toilets?

Edited by smn159 on Tuesday 7th May 12:10

[Rivenink]

smn159 said:

Killboy said:

I think the Tories need to double down on Rwanda and culture wars. Loads of life left in that

We need a national debate on women's toilets - that's where Sunak should be focusing between now and the election

I'm beginning to think that Rishi's strategy team already have something else lined up after the election.

So how doing we turn this around guys?

Er... say something about Labour raising taxes and... er.... I dunno, something about toilets?

Edited by smn159 on Tuesday 7th May 12:10

It's honestly pathetic. Absolutely decimated in local elections last week, and the first thing they come out with is red tape for businesses dictating what correct toilet policy is.

fking nuts.

[President Merkin]

Um before that, all the headbangers, Gullis, Cates, Clarke, Scott Benton (oops no, sorry not him) were out over the weekend punting postal vote fraud without a shred of evidence. I suppose you could be like Turbs & Carlo & all the rest & get behind those guys but you'd have to really, really try hard to suppress the knowledge they think you're a sucker who'll swallow any old rubbish.

[blueg33]

Unreal said:

So would I, which is why I find it far more interesting to discuss what they could try rather than participating in a circle jerk about how awful they are.

I honestly think that they don't have a clue on what they could try, the current mix was largely put in place to implement the single issue of Brexit, now that is over I just don't think that they have the empathy or insight to come up with proposals that will win the vote across the board. They have never won by only appealing to the red meat eaters.

[Randy Winkman]

Rivenink said:

It's honestly pathetic. Absolutely decimated in local elections last week, and the first thing they come out with is red tape for businesses dictating what correct toilet policy is.

fking nuts.

It is. Women's weightlifting and Parkrun results are way more important.

Edited by Randy Winkman on Tuesday 7th May 13:59

[blueg33]

President Merkin said:

Um before that, all the headbangers, Gullis, Cates, Clarke, Scott Benton (oops no, sorry not him) were out over the weekend punting postal vote fraud without a shred of evidence. I suppose you could be like Turbs & Carlo & all the rest & get behind those guys but you'd have to really, really try hard to suppress the knowledge they think you're a sucker who'll swallow any old rubbish.

I thought they had introduced steps to prevent vote fraud - are they admitting they didn't do it properly? Pretty desperate when you start to blame a system that elected you for failing to elect you next time. Sounds like they have been channelling Trump style nonsense

[Killboy]

President Merkin said:

Um before that, all the headbangers, Gullis, Cates, Clarke, Scott Benton (oops no, sorry not him) were out over the weekend punting postal vote fraud without a shred of evidence. I suppose you could be like Turbs & Carlo & all the rest & get behind those guys but you'd have to really, really try hard to suppress the knowledge they think you're a sucker who'll swallow any old rubbish.

I've noticed the Reform thread has died down and we're back to asking how the Tory party could turn things around last minute

[biggbn]

S600BSB said:

W124 said:

I was talking to my errant father about this last night. Over a nice pint of Cotswold Pale. He is a self described ‘natural conservative’.

He said something like ‘the Conservative Party has always relied on people voting in narrow self-interest but, now, nobody voting even in their own narrow self interest is going to vote for them.’

He tells me he’s going to vote for Starmer. Quite something. This is the Tories absolute core. A dyed-in-the-wool, allotment dwelling resident of Henley-on-Thames.

If they really have lost people like him, then they really are in serious st. He’s voted Conservative since the 1960’s.

Edited by W124 on Tuesday 7th May 08:47

I have a similar story. My mother was a Conservative councillor for many years in north London and obviously a Conservative voter her entire adult life. Never again she assures me. Sadly she refuses to back Labour (I’m obviously working on it) so voted for the Green candidate in these locals.

Add my dad to the list, 75, proper Tory, reads both Mail and Telegraph...Will never vote for them again he says

[biggbn]

carlo996 said:

President Merkin said:

Mostly because there's always a small army of mouth breathers only too ready to be semi profesional empty vessels.

Was there a point you were trying to make, does poverty affect you in some way?

Does it need to affect him? It affects millions. Do you have to be one of them to give a st?

[Rufus Stone]

Killboy said:

I've noticed the Reform thread has died down and we're back to asking how the Tory party could turn things around last minute

There was really only one avid Reform supporter and I think he's been banned. Don't know if it's temporary or permanent though.

[Gecko1978]

Rufus Stone said:

Killboy said:

I've noticed the Reform thread has died down and we're back to asking how the Tory party could turn things around last minute

There was really only one avid Reform supporter and I think he's been banned. Don't know if it's temporary or permanent though.

Just thinking out loud but if reform got it (they won't). Would supporting their ideas get you banned still. I ask kind of tongue in cheek but they are a registered political party with elected members. They are not a prescribed hate group even though their social media is out of the far right hand book

[smn159]

Gecko1978 said:

Rufus Stone said:

Killboy said:

I've noticed the Reform thread has died down and we're back to asking how the Tory party could turn things around last minute

There was really only one avid Reform supporter and I think he's been banned. Don't know if it's temporary or permanent though.

Just thinking out loud but if reform got it (they won't). Would supporting their ideas get you banned still. I ask kind of tongue in cheek but they are a registered political party with elected members. They are not a prescribed hate group even though their social media is out of the far right hand book

I don't know what he was banned for but it's unlikely to have been just for supporting Reform

[Rivenink]

biggbn said:

carlo996 said:

President Merkin said:

Mostly because there's always a small army of mouth breathers only too ready to be semi profesional empty vessels.

Was there a point you were trying to make, does poverty affect you in some way?

Does it need to affect him? It affects millions. Do you have to be one of them to give a st?

Poverty affects almost everyone.

Even the over-paid footballers who find their mansions being robbed from time to time.

[S600BSB]

blueg33 said:

Unreal said:

So would I, which is why I find it far more interesting to discuss what they could try rather than participating in a circle jerk about how awful they are.

I honestly think that they don't have a clue on what they could try, the current mix was largely put in place to implement the single issue of Brexit, now that is over I just don't think that they have the empathy or insight to come up with proposals that will win the vote across the board. They have never won by only appealing to the red meat eaters.

They could commit to rejoining the customs union at the first opportunity and abolishing the HoL? Give the water regulator real power and renationalise the railways? Would definitely read their manifesto.