Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister
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S600BSB said:
blueg33 said:
Unreal said:
So would I, which is why I find it far more interesting to discuss what they could try rather than participating in a circle jerk about how awful they are.
I honestly think that they don't have a clue on what they could try, the current mix was largely put in place to implement the single issue of Brexit, now that is over I just don't think that they have the empathy or insight to come up with proposals that will win the vote across the board. They have never won by only appealing to the red meat eaters.Rivenink said:
smn159 said:
Killboy said:
I think the Tories need to double down on Rwanda and culture wars. Loads of life left in that 
We need a national debate on women's toilets - that's where Sunak should be focusing between now and the election 
I'm beginning to think that Rishi's strategy team already have something else lined up after the election.
So how doing we turn this around guys?
Er... say something about Labour raising taxes and... er.... I dunno, something about toilets?
Edited by smn159 on Tuesday 7th May 12:10
f
king nuts. 
The conservatives should support a cause close to peoples hearts.
Such a topic is to reunite King Charles with Harry. A top team could be formed to meet the King and Harry, find what common ground there is and get the two back together. It's a topic close to many UK peoples thoughts.
It may seem a bit of an odd thing but its really only a natural progression for the Tories. Since 2019 they have been moving to a position of getting involved in peoples lives. Some dont like this and think that the conservatives should be about low intervention but clearly the tories have realised that they can top Labour on this subject and getting involved in folks everyday lives is the way foreward.
They could also investigate linking up with the SNP. Clearly John Swinney is a man of the people and they could learn a lot from him.
It could be a formal merger or just a form of power sharing but getting Mr Swinney and the SNP on board could be a masterstroke.
Such a topic is to reunite King Charles with Harry. A top team could be formed to meet the King and Harry, find what common ground there is and get the two back together. It's a topic close to many UK peoples thoughts.
It may seem a bit of an odd thing but its really only a natural progression for the Tories. Since 2019 they have been moving to a position of getting involved in peoples lives. Some dont like this and think that the conservatives should be about low intervention but clearly the tories have realised that they can top Labour on this subject and getting involved in folks everyday lives is the way foreward.
They could also investigate linking up with the SNP. Clearly John Swinney is a man of the people and they could learn a lot from him.
It could be a formal merger or just a form of power sharing but getting Mr Swinney and the SNP on board could be a masterstroke.
President Merkin said:
Um before that, all the headbangers, Gullis, Cates, Clarke, Scott Benton (oops no, sorry not him) were out over the weekend punting postal vote fraud without a shred of evidence. I suppose you could be like Turbs & Carlo & all the rest & get behind those guys but you'd have to really, really try hard to suppress the knowledge they think you're a sucker who'll swallow any old rubbish.
A long winded way of saying you haven’t got a point to make. Thought as much, but thanks for the confirmation. President Merkin said:
Um before that, all the headbangers, Gullis, Cates, Clarke, Scott Benton (oops no, sorry not him) were out over the weekend punting postal vote fraud without a shred of evidence. I suppose you could be like Turbs & Carlo & all the rest & get behind those guys but you'd have to really, really try hard to suppress the knowledge they think you're a sucker who'll swallow any old rubbish.
There is plenty of reason to think that postal voting is subject to abuse, much more than in person voting which apparently needed ID to solve.https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/apr/05/politic...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47535...
Guardian said:
Richard Mawrey QC, presiding over a special election court in Birmingham, warned that there were no realistic systems in place to detect or prevent postal voting fraud at the general election. "Until there are, fraud will continue unabated," he said.
These are just the centrally orchestrated cases, not cases where individuals "encourage" family members to vote a certain way and can check which way they did vote, something which isn't possible within a voting booth.Mr Penguin said:
President Merkin said:
Um before that, all the headbangers, Gullis, Cates, Clarke, Scott Benton (oops no, sorry not him) were out over the weekend punting postal vote fraud without a shred of evidence. I suppose you could be like Turbs & Carlo & all the rest & get behind those guys but you'd have to really, really try hard to suppress the knowledge they think you're a sucker who'll swallow any old rubbish.
There is plenty of reason to think that postal voting is subject to abuse, much more than in person voting which apparently needed ID to solve.https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/apr/05/politic...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47535...
In 2017, government data shows despite tens of millions of people voting in elections, police recorded 336 allegations of fraud, eight cautions & one conviction for personation I.e. not a single conviction for postal voting fraud.
Last week's hot air from the loony wing of the provisional wing of the continutiy Tories was nothing more than Trumpian conspiracy guff without a shred of evidence to support it in the context of a humiliating across the board wipeout for the party that has gone out of its way to disenfranchise its oponents.
https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-eviden...
abzmike said:
Another right winger jumps ship, right winger Natalie.Elphicke, oddly to Labour... Funny old world.
She's not someone I'm familiar with but the timing is an interesting for PMQs, I missed the first few minutes but will Starmer mention it or was it too late to make the script? "The elected Prime Minister was ousted in a coup led by the unelected Rishi Sunak. Under Rishi Sunak, the Conservatives have become a byword for incompetence and division"
Seems like a self-preservation thing as much as it is an attack on Sunak.
abzmike said:
Another right winger jumps ship, right winger Natalie.Elphicke, oddly to Labour... Funny old world.
This maybe the reason.https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/calcw...
Mrr T said:
This maybe the reason.
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/calcw...
She's not standing for reelection and Labour have already selected a candidate.https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/calcw...
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:abzmike said:
Another right winger jumps ship, right winger Natalie.Elphicke, oddly to Labour... Funny old world.
Sorry that's a joke right?If I was Starmer I'd be telling Sunak he can keep her.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:abzmike said:
Another right winger jumps ship, right winger Natalie.Elphicke, oddly to Labour... Funny old world.
Sorry that's a joke right?If I was Starmer I'd be telling Sunak he can keep her.
Labour does seem like an odd choice if you've no intention of standing again, why not just be independent?
President Merkin said:
There really is not. The Grauniad link you posted is 20 years old & the decade old Rahman case is an example of the system working, inspite of Met police incompetence.
In 2017, government data shows despite tens of millions of people voting in elections, police recorded 336 allegations of fraud, eight cautions & one conviction for personation I.e. not a single conviction for postal voting fraud.
Last week's hot air from the loony wing of the provisional wing of the continutiy Tories was nothing more than Trumpian conspiracy guff without a shred of evidence to support it in the context of a humiliating across the board wipeout for the party that has gone out of its way to disenfranchise its oponents.
https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-eviden...
No part of the process has changed in the last 20 years, so it still applies.In 2017, government data shows despite tens of millions of people voting in elections, police recorded 336 allegations of fraud, eight cautions & one conviction for personation I.e. not a single conviction for postal voting fraud.
Last week's hot air from the loony wing of the provisional wing of the continutiy Tories was nothing more than Trumpian conspiracy guff without a shred of evidence to support it in the context of a humiliating across the board wipeout for the party that has gone out of its way to disenfranchise its oponents.
https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-eviden...
Having no convictions or reports of postal voting fraud would back up my hypothesis that it is impossible to police, unless you want to claim that nobody even tries to commit postal fraud but would rather do it in person (which is both less efficient and more likely to be caught in the moment).
Mr Penguin said:
No part of the process has changed in the last 20 years, so it still applies.
Having no convictions or reports of postal voting fraud would back up my hypothesis that it is impossible to police, unless you want to claim that nobody even tries to commit postal fraud but would rather do it in person (which is both less efficient and more likely to be caught in the moment).
Except no one finds it at any election at any significant level except for a cabal of right wing loonies who can't shut up about it & in any case, this cul-de-sac of a strand has been overtaken by events. In short, no one is interested in negligible postal fraud when Natalie Elphicke has just goose stepped across the floor.Having no convictions or reports of postal voting fraud would back up my hypothesis that it is impossible to police, unless you want to claim that nobody even tries to commit postal fraud but would rather do it in person (which is both less efficient and more likely to be caught in the moment).
Edited by President Merkin on Wednesday 8th May 13:24
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