Israel invaded
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Ridgemont said:
z4RRSchris said:
no one wants to dismantle israel, they want them to live alongside a palestinian state and stop being 
s and murdering thousands of people.
Actually there a couple of posters who have stated they wish to see Israel gone. One was quite happy to state his hatred of Israel.s and murdering thousands of people. Has a right to exist as long is it stops invading other countries and needs to conform to international laws.
I suspect lots of isrealis share the same view.
fido said:
No Israel adminsters the Gaza so the Palestinians can learn to do something more productive than wage war against Jews. They have demonstrated that they cannot manage themselves and so need to be controlled by sane grownups.
Seriously? This reads like a flame batting attempt. if it’s serious it how little some people know about the region and people in general. “need to be controlled by sane grownups.”. Wow… that’s straight out racism.
Solocle said:
JJJ. said:
Tokenism of the highest order, pushed by an outlet that's deep in the "weaponizing antisemitism" Corbynite camp.There are Muslim and even Palestinian staunch supporters of Israel - Mosab Hassan Yousef is the son of a cofounder of Hamas, and worked as an informant for the Shin Bet.
But is this at all representative of the majority? No.
Posting his views as "A Palestinian view!" without adding some context would be intellectually dishonest at best.
Excellent!
andymadmak said:
I think Sally is wrong/mistaken. If Israel had really been " deliberately and systematically " targeting civilians there would be an awful lot more dead people in Gaza now than the 20 odd *thousand that is being calculated (*a net figure depending on how many of the dead to date you think were Hamas etc)
This is basically my take. We are now 7 months in with 'only' approx 20,000 civilians dead. Yet people still scream about Israel apparently conducting a Holocaust mk2.Vanden Saab said:
fizz47 said:
When you have to revert to the argument that ‘other people do it too’ is another poor attempt to divert and defend the indefensible.
we now have US governors saying ‘they will go after you and your families’ if you try to legally hold us to account.
https://x.com/stone_skynews/status/178761181093950...
The people who weaponise antisemitism are the lowest of the low and many on here who can’t refute facts so just throw accusations about.. wonder where they get it from… The Israelis spokesmen’s have been using it for the last 75 years to justify an illegal occupation …
When you go from words matter and micro-aggressions to semantics and from ignoring what many countries do to suddenly holding one country to a much higher standard it is impossible to come to any other conclusion. we now have US governors saying ‘they will go after you and your families’ if you try to legally hold us to account.
https://x.com/stone_skynews/status/178761181093950...
The people who weaponise antisemitism are the lowest of the low and many on here who can’t refute facts so just throw accusations about.. wonder where they get it from… The Israelis spokesmen’s have been using it for the last 75 years to justify an illegal occupation …
Imagine the fuss if Israel or the UK and US had banned a Gaza medic from another country because of a bloc wide prohibition and deported him and yet not a peep from you lot when Germany and France do it. Luckily the UK provides Abu Sitta with a safe haven. The sooner you realise your antisemitic echo chamber is not telling you the whole truth the better.
DaveCWK said:
andymadmak said:
I think Sally is wrong/mistaken. If Israel had really been " deliberately and systematically " targeting civilians there would be an awful lot more dead people in Gaza now than the 20 odd *thousand that is being calculated (*a net figure depending on how many of the dead to date you think were Hamas etc)
This is basically my take. We are now 7 months in with 'only' approx 20,000 civilians dead. Yet people still scream about Israel apparently conducting a Holocaust mk2.This is radical (and not so radical) Islam vs Israel and by proxy "The West". There are a lot of Muslim voices, hence the disproportionate focus.
You can not appease this ideology, you can only defeat it.
https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/nigeria-...
The reason why low lifes weaponise anti-semitism is the because they can’t refute the actual the evidence and the clear the atrocities and lies that the illegal occupation forces of Israel have been perpetuating for the last 75 years.
Notice how every single time a humanitarian or international body calls out Israel’s illegal actions, that rather than resort to trying to refute the claim or show evidence that would support their claims they jump to the charge of anti-semitism. If that doesn’t work then they next charge is you are a Hamas supporter/ spokesperson or do you condemn them..
Here’s a classic example of Israel spokesperson falling
back on the same old charges as they get caught in their lies …
https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/17876814620549698...
Ask what a Zionist who supports the illegal actions of Israel calls Jews who are against Israel’s actions are labelled as? Anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see the ridiculousness and the disgusting flawed purpose of the weaponisation of antisemitism.
Actual and real antisemitism needs to be wiped out and those responsible need to be held to account just like those who weaponise it.
Thankfully we are now reaching a time where people can see through the actions of those who try to conflate the opposition of the illegal and inhumane actions of an occupying force to that of antisemitism..
The same smears used to be used against those who stood against the Vietnam war and Apartheid in SA. History repeats itself and those who tried to brush there complicity in past attrocities like apartheid will be the same people who will do the same now .. just take a note of which organisations/ ideologies / countries were the last to support the end of apartheid…
Notice how every single time a humanitarian or international body calls out Israel’s illegal actions, that rather than resort to trying to refute the claim or show evidence that would support their claims they jump to the charge of anti-semitism. If that doesn’t work then they next charge is you are a Hamas supporter/ spokesperson or do you condemn them..
Here’s a classic example of Israel spokesperson falling
back on the same old charges as they get caught in their lies …
https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/17876814620549698...
Ask what a Zionist who supports the illegal actions of Israel calls Jews who are against Israel’s actions are labelled as? Anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see the ridiculousness and the disgusting flawed purpose of the weaponisation of antisemitism.
Actual and real antisemitism needs to be wiped out and those responsible need to be held to account just like those who weaponise it.
Thankfully we are now reaching a time where people can see through the actions of those who try to conflate the opposition of the illegal and inhumane actions of an occupying force to that of antisemitism..
The same smears used to be used against those who stood against the Vietnam war and Apartheid in SA. History repeats itself and those who tried to brush there complicity in past attrocities like apartheid will be the same people who will do the same now .. just take a note of which organisations/ ideologies / countries were the last to support the end of apartheid…
Douglas Quaid said:
Why would you call people who don’t agree with Israel’s actions antisemitic? That’s illogical. They’re saying they don’t agree with Israel’s actions, they’re not saying they don’t like Jews. Calling them antisemitic doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.
That's not what's being said.But for antisemites, attacking Israel can be a respectable cover. However, the vehement hatred in their mindset tends to manifest as wanting to completely wipe out Israel, Israel being uniquely evil because it's run by the Joos, there's a massive conspiracy... classic antisemitic tropes leach in.
Of course distinguishing them is more difficult when their racist garbage is repeated by the terminally gullible...
This nonsense is firmly in the "Jewish space lasers" category of bat
insane.The Americans in their 1960s "lets use nukes for everything" phase briefly looked at the possibility when Egypt, a Soviet satellite that had recently nationalised the Suez canal, was an enemy of Israel.
It's completely irrelevant in the modern geopolitical context, and that's before you get to using hundreds of nukes to dig the thing being completely and utterly bat
crazy.JJJ. said:
You really haven't a clue, have you? You have absolutely no idea about maritime licences or the ongoing canal discussions. I'm betting you never even knew about any of the above until they were mentioned here.
If you have nothing to say, say nothing!
If you have nothing to say, say nothing!
Edited by Solocle on Tuesday 7th May 23:15
z4RRSchris said:
Ridgemont said:
z4RRSchris said:
no one wants to dismantle israel, they want them to live alongside a palestinian state and stop being s and murdering thousands of people.
Actually there a couple of posters who have stated they wish to see Israel gone. One was quite happy to state his hatred of Israel.s and murdering thousands of people. Has a right to exist as long is it stops invading other countries and needs to conform to international laws.
I suspect lots of isrealis share the same view.
Scrimpton said:
Hamas had no problem and received no criticism for refusing previous ceasefire deals. 1:33 in favour of the terrorists shows you how much they value their own people. A demand for a permanent halt to hostilities seems like the Palestinians are labouring under the misapprehension they're negotiating from a position of strength. On the flip side, the fact they've agreed to any deal suggests they've finally realised the Israelis are winning.
Funny that you say that, but the way that I see it the Israelis aren’t winning. Hamas is a terrorist organisation, I don’t really think that they give a toss about the suffering of the Palestinian civilians or how many are being killed. The important thing for them is that the military response by Israel outrages right minded people around the world, makes huge media and increases antisemitic pressure on naturalised Jews the world wide.
Welp, looks to me like they’re killing it.
Mrr T said:
Sorry old chap but in the last page or two you have claimed Israel is trying to kill the whole Palestinian population of Gaza and the West Bank when they have so far killed about 0.6% in the last 6 months, and they want to take Gaza to build a new Suez canal. When that would cost billions and there is a perfectly good one already.
I do not need to belittle you, your perfectly capable of doing that on your own.
34000 dead out of a population of about 2.1 million.I do not need to belittle you, your perfectly capable of doing that on your own.
How is this 0.6%?
Puddenchucker said:
Oliver Hardy said:
When did Israel invade other countries?
Lebanon in 1978 & 1982, in response to attacks by the PLO.Parts of Egypt (Sinai) & Syria (Golan Heights) in the 1967 6-day war.
911hope said:
Mrr T said:
Sorry old chap but in the last page or two you have claimed Israel is trying to kill the whole Palestinian population of Gaza and the West Bank when they have so far killed about 0.6% in the last 6 months, and they want to take Gaza to build a new Suez canal. When that would cost billions and there is a perfectly good one already.
I do not need to belittle you, your perfectly capable of doing that on your own.
34000 dead out of a population of about 2.1 million.I do not need to belittle you, your perfectly capable of doing that on your own.
How is this 0.6%?
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