Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12
Discussion
technodup said:
Two unelected first ministers in a row? I'm absolutely certain the SNP would be screaming from the rooftops for an election if they were Tories, surely they should take the initiative to show us being more democratic than Englandshire?
John Swinney ffs
That's him now crowned....John Swinney ffs
I see Angela Constance got her hair dyed for the occasion to match Swinney's tie.
NoddyonNitrous said:
What's going to be Honest John's first crisis? The gardeners kick off about something gender / alphabet related? Operation Branchform collars another? Some islands lose all their transport connections? A byelection loss?
The public sector paydeal's...this will cause Jonny Big Baw's a major headache, they blew the budget last year shelling out above average paydeals to the workers so they could virtue signal to England and specifically Westminster...oh look how much were giving them compared to you, aren't we just brilliant.They will have to do the exact same thing this year and blow all the budget again...or say no and it will be strikes-R-us here in Scotland...which will destroy them.
Klippie said:
The public sector paydeal's...this will cause Jonny Big Baw's a major headache, they blew the budget last year shelling out above average paydeals to the workers so they could virtue signal to England and specifically Westminster...oh look how much were giving them compared to you, aren't we just brilliant.
They will have to do the exact same thing this year and blow all the budget again...or say no and it will be strikes-R-us here in Scotland...which will destroy them.
I was having this exact conversation with my colleagues at work today. They said the same as you. I said they were wrong - Swinney is a dead-man-walking politically so doesn't care who he says no to (unless it is the They will have to do the exact same thing this year and blow all the budget again...or say no and it will be strikes-R-us here in Scotland...which will destroy them.
The budget is bust and the SNP know they are running out of road. They would have had no choice but to stall and prevaricate over public sector wages, but they have someone who can do it without worrying about his political future because he already announced a year ago that he doesn't have one.
Evercross said:
technodup said:
Two unelected first ministers in a row? I'm absolutely certain the SNP would be screaming from the rooftops for an election if they were Tories, surely they should take the initiative to show us being more democratic than Englandshire?
John Swinney ffs
That's him now crowned....John Swinney ffs
I see Angela Constance got her hair dyed for the occasion to match Swinney's tie.
(Its one of those NLP things, supposed to represent power & royalty etc)
Once you start seeing them on politicians & realise why they are doing it you can gauge very quickly just who the real bellends are!
Evercross said:
I was having this exact conversation with my colleagues at work today. They said the same as you. I said they were wrong - Swinney is a dead-man-walking politically so doesn't care who he says no to (unless it is the Greens Marxists).
The budget is bust and the SNP know they are running out of road. They would have had no choice but to stall and prevaricate over public sector wages, but they have someone who can do it without worrying about his political future because he already announced a year ago that he doesn't have one.
Do they do that, or do they do what Labour councils have done in the past by setting an illegal budget and daring Westminster to do something about it while virtue signaling loudly about “cruel unfair Tory austerity” or some other variant on the usual Sturgeon bingo. All utter bThe budget is bust and the SNP know they are running out of road. They would have had no choice but to stall and prevaricate over public sector wages, but they have someone who can do it without worrying about his political future because he already announced a year ago that he doesn't have one.
ks obviously but it would appeal to the type of voter who, if they defected to Labour, would result in the SNP’s annihilation.Why is Harvie given time on the news, man is a clown, maybe not, he is not funny.
Still demanding “progressive “ policies, where the technology does not exist to match their demands.
Fingers crossed they do not give the greens ministerial posts.
I wonder if any of the political parties are willing to state they will align the income tax with England, definitely a vote winner, but can Scotland now afford to do that?
Still demanding “progressive “ policies, where the technology does not exist to match their demands.
Fingers crossed they do not give the greens ministerial posts.
I wonder if any of the political parties are willing to state they will align the income tax with England, definitely a vote winner, but can Scotland now afford to do that?
Mercdriver said:
I wonder if any of the political parties are willing to state they will align the income tax with England, definitely a vote winner...
Scottish Labour have been preparing the ground for exactly this for the best part of a year now.Mercdriver said:
...but can Scotland now afford to do that?
Can it afford not to? Scottish Government's own figures show that revenue brought in as a result of the variances falls way short of projections to the point of irrelevance, plus the brain-drain is real.It was a stupid policy done for the sake of being different and isn't delivering. A free hit to re-align with both short and long-term benefits.
Evercross said:
Can it afford not to? Scottish Government's own figures show that revenue brought in as a result of the variances falls way short of projections to the point of irrelevance, plus the brain-drain is real.
It was a stupid policy done for the sake of being different and isn't delivering. A free hit to re-align with both short and long-term benefits.
Who'd have thunk it, the taxpayers affected by the constant tinkering and pointless need to be different to rUK tax levels quite possibly did something about it to ensure not a single penny more was taken? It was a stupid policy done for the sake of being different and isn't delivering. A free hit to re-align with both short and long-term benefits.
Especially with that new bracket at 75k, awa' and f
k yersel Humza....biggbn said:
Vilified and victimised? Like being called flag shaggers, face painted morons, haggis chasers or whatever? Like that? Irony and a lack of self awareness seem to make such good bedfellows Rod... 
Take care all, recovering from hangover, thankfully its a holiday Monday so that's par for the course. X
Of course there are stero types but the fact is indy vote failed because the counter argument seemed more coherent. The white paper for Scotland with its 250m to set up a nation when ferris have cost more was not credible. So now 10 years on the SNP face loosing power an with it indy as a option. Flag staggers face painters whatever you like but their dream is over for a long time nowTake care all, recovering from hangover, thankfully its a holiday Monday so that's par for the course. X
Evercross said:
Mercdriver said:
I wonder if any of the political parties are willing to state they will align the income tax with England, definitely a vote winner...
Scottish Labour have been preparing the ground for exactly this for the best part of a year now.Mercdriver said:
...but can Scotland now afford to do that?
Can it afford not to? Scottish Government's own figures show that revenue brought in as a result of the variances falls way short of projections to the point of irrelevance, plus the brain-drain is real.It was a stupid policy done for the sake of being different and isn't delivering. A free hit to re-align with both short and long-term benefits.
Plus the benefits of Scottish organisations not having one hand tied behind their back when recruiting senior employees.
anonymoususer said:
I am firmly of the belief that a merger of some sort between the SNP and the Tories would cause a political earthquake like non other.
That would be hilarious but I’d estimate given the public hate at anything “Toaree” zero chance it would ever happen. I got to know a Tory mp very well a few years back (a lovely bloke/self-made man and very down to earth) and he said the relations at a working level between the two parties were excellent and in general, despite the public image, they all got on quite well behind the scenes.Evercross said:
alangla said:
The hatred appears, as far as I can tell, to be a Sturgeon thing.
Because Sturgeon is still a wee Ayrshire schemie at heart, with a massive chip on her shoulder.
I will never, as long as I have breath in me, forgive the vile, hateful creature for the damage she wrought to my country.
I saw an interview with her once in which she declared that she had never wavered in her support of the SNP since she was 14 years old. She said this with a straight face as if she considered it a virtue, but most (some?) of us have done a bit of critical thinking since we were fourteen.
Siko said:
anonymoususer said:
I am firmly of the belief that a merger of some sort between the SNP and the Tories would cause a political earthquake like non other.
That would be hilarious but I’d estimate given the public hate at anything “Toaree” zero chance it would ever happen. I got to know a Tory mp very well a few years back (a lovely bloke/self-made man and very down to earth) and he said the relations at a working level between the two parties were excellent and in general, despite the public image, they all got on quite well behind the scenes.TheJimi said:
Yep, Sturgeon absolutely exploited the "bastirt toaree" effect in a way that no FM before her did.
Humza was going down the exact same toxic path.
I think the picture on the front page of the Herald and Scotsman today unfortunately sums up the past, present and near future of politics in Scotland. Nothing’s likely to change and the same individual appears to still be in charge https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxe81my5d2yoHumza was going down the exact same toxic path.
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