Official 2024 Miami Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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cuprabob said:
paulguitar said:
Blib said:
Good to see Mercedes on the top step of the podium yesterday.
What race was this then?
Any other examples?
TheDeuce said:
cuprabob said:
paulguitar said:
Blib said:
Good to see Mercedes on the top step of the podium yesterday.
What race was this then?Any other examples?
BigBen said:
TheDeuce said:
cuprabob said:
paulguitar said:
Blib said:
Good to see Mercedes on the top step of the podium yesterday.
What race was this then?Any other examples?
BigBen said:
Didn't the opposite happen when McLaren were the works Ford team but Benetton were faster so requested parity on engine spec (that might have been the other way round)
Benetton was the "works" team. McLaren got those customer V8s late in the day when the Lamborghini/Chrysler deal didn't work out.But McLaren had a great active suspension system and Benetton was still with normal "passive" suspension. With a well balanced but underpowered car McLaren and peak Senna they got wins with it. They ended up getting the same engine spec late in the season though.
SoulGlo said:
BigBen said:
Didn't the opposite happen when McLaren were the works Ford team but Benetton were faster so requested parity on engine spec (that might have been the other way round)
Benetton was the "works" team. McLaren got those customer V8s late in the day when the Lamborghini/Chrysler deal didn't work out.But McLaren had a great active suspension system and Benetton was still with normal "passive" suspension. With a well balanced but underpowered car McLaren and peak Senna they got wins with it. They ended up getting the same engine spec late in the season though.
paulguitar said:
Adrian W said:
Didn't Benetton get caught using traction control?
Not exactly. It was found to be on the car, they claimed it was inactive...Looks like Benetton weren't provably using anything more than Ferrari or McLaren. Big emphasis on the word 'provably'...
Tbh, whilst cheating was rife in that period of F1, I think the Benetton was just a very good car.
Reading that wiki reminded me of the reason Jos V was set on fire during re-fuelling, they were definitely cheating in order to speed up the rate of refuelling. Did that swing the balance in overall performance through the season? I doubt it.
TheDeuce said:
paulguitar said:
Adrian W said:
Didn't Benetton get caught using traction control?
Not exactly. It was found to be on the car, they claimed it was inactive...Looks like Benetton weren't provably using anything more than Ferrari or McLaren. Big emphasis on the word 'provably'...
Tbh, whilst cheating was rife in that period of F1, I think the Benetton was just a very good car.
Reading that wiki reminded me of the reason Jos V was set on fire during re-fuelling, they were definitely cheating in order to speed up the rate of refuelling. Did that swing the balance in overall performance through the season? I doubt it.
CanAm said:
TheDeuce said:
paulguitar said:
Adrian W said:
Didn't Benetton get caught using traction control?
Not exactly. It was found to be on the car, they claimed it was inactive...Looks like Benetton weren't provably using anything more than Ferrari or McLaren. Big emphasis on the word 'provably'...
Tbh, whilst cheating was rife in that period of F1, I think the Benetton was just a very good car.
Reading that wiki reminded me of the reason Jos V was set on fire during re-fuelling, they were definitely cheating in order to speed up the rate of refuelling. Did that swing the balance in overall performance through the season? I doubt it.
Everyone was cheating back then, probably more than we'll ever know assuming that some of them cheated well enough to not get found out..
TheDeuce said:
Yes, but apparently Schumacher didn't know about it so it wasn't cheating
Everyone was cheating back then, probably more than we'll ever know assuming that some of them cheated well enough to not get found out..
If only we'd had the Internet back then - we'd never have got any work done!Everyone was cheating back then, probably more than we'll ever know assuming that some of them cheated well enough to not get found out..
CanAm said:
TheDeuce said:
Yes, but apparently Schumacher didn't know about it so it wasn't cheating
Everyone was cheating back then, probably more than we'll ever know assuming that some of them cheated well enough to not get found out..
If only we'd had the Internet back then - we'd never have got any work done!Everyone was cheating back then, probably more than we'll ever know assuming that some of them cheated well enough to not get found out..
TheDeuce said:
paulguitar said:
Adrian W said:
Didn't Benetton get caught using traction control?
Not exactly. It was found to be on the car, they claimed it was inactive...Looks like Benetton weren't provably using anything more than Ferrari or McLaren. Big emphasis on the word 'provably'...
Tbh, whilst cheating was rife in that period of F1, I think the Benetton was just a very good car.
Reading that wiki reminded me of the reason Jos V was set on fire during re-fuelling, they were definitely cheating in order to speed up the rate of refuelling. Did that swing the balance in overall performance through the season? I doubt it.
Mark-C said:
CanAm said:
TheDeuce said:
Yes, but apparently Schumacher didn't know about it so it wasn't cheating
Everyone was cheating back then, probably more than we'll ever know assuming that some of them cheated well enough to not get found out..
If only we'd had the Internet back then - we'd never have got any work done!Everyone was cheating back then, probably more than we'll ever know assuming that some of them cheated well enough to not get found out..
I think us and the press not having the sort of online media we have now was a big factor in how much they could get away with!
That and the fact there was a lot of emergent tech they were able to apply to the cars and it took a while for the FIA to figure out detection and banning methods.
TheDeuce said:
CanAm said:
TheDeuce said:
paulguitar said:
Adrian W said:
Didn't Benetton get caught using traction control?
Not exactly. It was found to be on the car, they claimed it was inactive...Looks like Benetton weren't provably using anything more than Ferrari or McLaren. Big emphasis on the word 'provably'...
Tbh, whilst cheating was rife in that period of F1, I think the Benetton was just a very good car.
Reading that wiki reminded me of the reason Jos V was set on fire during re-fuelling, they were definitely cheating in order to speed up the rate of refuelling. Did that swing the balance in overall performance through the season? I doubt it.
Everyone was cheating back then, probably more than we'll ever know assuming that some of them cheated well enough to not get found out..
HardtopManual said:
740EVTORQUES said:
But that’s why you pay PR people (including at weekends) to help handle your media.
Saying it’s ok because your driver is uneducated and ignorant of the world around him is not a good look.
Bring an F1 driver is about a lot more than just driving fast. Vettel and Hamilton show that it’s possible to aim higher.
There’s no excuse, doing something like this that would be predicted to alienate large numbers of your audience is inexcusable and amateurish.
Lando does have PR people, so they will have advised him what to say. I imagine they said - mad as it is, Trump is a former president and likely to be the next one, so be respectful and no more. What would you have advised?Saying it’s ok because your driver is uneducated and ignorant of the world around him is not a good look.
Bring an F1 driver is about a lot more than just driving fast. Vettel and Hamilton show that it’s possible to aim higher.
There’s no excuse, doing something like this that would be predicted to alienate large numbers of your audience is inexcusable and amateurish.
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